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Pope warns against unholy communion
The Guardian ^ | Friday April 18, 2003 | Hilary Clarke in Rome and Stephen Bates

Posted on 04/18/2003 6:51:16 AM PDT by Dog Gone

In the first act of his busy Easter season, Pope John Paul II yesterday warned Catholics against taking holy communion delivered by ministers of other denominations.

The strongly worded encyclical, sent to bishops around the world, raised fears that the pontiff may be hardening his line on inter-faith communion.

This is of particular concern to mixed-marriage couples in Britain and Ireland, and those wishing to see the church reunited one day.

However, theologians rushing to interpret the encyclical, the 14th of the Pope's 25-year pontificate, pointed out that he also underlined his earlier view that Catholics and non-Catholics could take communion together in special circumstances.

This was reassuring for those in Britain campaigning for more liberal interpretations of Catholic theology, at a time when the number of priests, as well as practising Christians, is in steep decline.

An important part of the ceremony of communion, or eucharist, is the blood and flesh of Christ being distributed to the confirmed in the form of wine and unleavened bread.

Catholics believe the bread and wine really does become the body of Christ when blessed by a priest, while for non-Catholics, the ceremony is merely symbolic.

The Pope said that Catholics "while respecting the religious convictions of these separated brethren, must refrain from receiving the communion distributed in their celebrations, so as not to condone an ambiguity about the nature of the eucharist and, consequently, fail in their duty to bear clear witness to the truth."

Many Anglican priests in Britain administer communion to Catholics, and vice versa, if a priest of the right denomination is not available or when couples of different denominations celebrate mass together.

While the Pope said it was not possible for Catholics and non-Catholics to celebrate communion together, he said he had "a burning desire" that one day this might change.

In a sympathetic response to the Pope's encyclical, Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, issued a statement saying: "I welcome the affirmation of the eucharist as a place of God's presence and action, and also welcome the Pope's reaffirmation of his 'burning desire' for common eucharistic celebration.

"This is an area of work which continues to be important for relations between Anglicans and Roman Catholics, and we continue to work theologically on this together."

Tony Blair, while still a member of the Church of England, regularly attends mass with his family, who are all practising Catholics.

In 1996, however, he was warned off receiving communion in a letter by the late Cardinal Basil Hume.

Saying that he had not realised his behaviour might cause offence, Mr Blair promised not to do so again, nevertheless adding: "I wonder what Jesus would have made of it?"

The prime minister and his family met the Pope at the Vatican during an official visit to Rome last month, and although he received a blessing - the first British prime minister to do so - he did not receive communion.

The Pope, who is 83 next month, also ruled out as "unthinkable" the practice of Catholics swapping Sunday mass for celebrations of prayer with Christians of other faiths.


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1 posted on 04/18/2003 6:51:16 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
What's the point of being a good Catholic if you can pick and choose?
2 posted on 04/18/2003 6:52:40 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dog Gone
The Pope, who is 83 next month, also ruled out as "unthinkable" the practice of Catholics swapping Sunday mass for celebrations of prayer with Christians of other faiths.

But kissing the Koran as a sign of respect is okay.

Yeah, right.

3 posted on 04/18/2003 6:56:24 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike
Here we go again! Lots of nasties went on last night over this one.
4 posted on 04/18/2003 7:01:10 AM PDT by crz
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To: Dog Gone
Unholy communion...

Like this??

5 posted on 04/18/2003 7:04:38 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Dog Gone
The pope has announced in the Encyclical that there will be more "reform" coming out. Clearly worded in the Encyclical was the fact that "Holy Communion" was being abused, and that certain practices that are very wrong, have crept in since Vatican II.

This will be addressed in the future by the Vatican.

From the document:

45. While it is never legitimate to concelebrate in the absence of full communion, the same is not true with respect to the administration of the Eucharist under special circumstances, to individual persons belonging to Churches or Ecclesial Communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church. In this case, in fact, the intention is to meet a grave spiritual need for the eternal salvation of an individual believer, not to bring about an intercommunion which remains impossible until the visible bonds of ecclesial communion are fully re-established.

Basically, "Holy Communion" is not meant as a means of establishing "intercommunion", but rather exceptions are allowed for souls in "grave spiritual danger".

Other aspects of the reform are:

13. By virtue of its close relationship to the sacrifice of Golgotha, the Eucharist is a sacrifice in the strict sense, and not only in a general way, as if it were simply a matter of Christ's offering himself to the faithful as their spiritual food. The gift of his love and obedience to the point of giving his life (cf. Jn 10:17-18) is in the first place a gift to his Father. Certainly it is a gift given for our sake, and indeed that of all humanity (cf. Mt 26:28; Mk 14:24; Lk 22:20; Jn 10:15), yet it is first and foremost a gift to the Father: “a sacrifice that the Father accepted, giving, in return for this total self-giving by his Son, who 'became obedient unto death' (Phil 2:8), his own paternal gift, that is to say the grant of new immortal life in the resurrection”.18

In giving his sacrifice to the Church, Christ has also made his own the spiritual sacrifice of the Church, which is called to offer herself in union with the sacrifice of Christ. This is the teaching of the Second Vatican Council concerning all the faithful: “Taking part in the Eucharistic Sacrifice, which is the source and summit of the whole Christian life, they offer the divine victim to God, and offer themselves along with it”.19

This is one abuse that has entered into the Mass since Vatican II -- ignoring the true sacrafice the Eucharist is, and only proclaiming it as a "joyous event".

Finally, here is the paragraph about abuses, and the fact that Pope John Paul is having another document prepared (from paragraph 52 of the Encyclical Ecclesia de Eucharista:

52. All of this makes clear the great responsibility which belongs to priests in particular for the celebration of the Eucharist. It is their responsibility to preside at the Eucharist in persona Christi and to provide a witness to and a service of communion not only for the community directly taking part in the celebration, but also for the universal Church, which is a part of every Eucharist. It must be lamented that, especially in the years following the post-conciliar liturgical reform, as a result of a misguided sense of creativity and adaptation there have been a number of abuses which have been a source of suffering for many. A certain reaction against “formalism” has led some, especially in certain regions, to consider the “forms” chosen by the Church's great liturgical tradition and her Magisterium as non-binding and to introduce unauthorized innovations which are often completely inappropriate. I consider it my duty, therefore to appeal urgently that the liturgical norms for the celebration of the Eucharist be observed with great fidelity. These norms are a concrete expression of the authentically ecclesial nature of the Eucharist; this is their deepest meaning. Liturgy is never anyone's private property, be it of the celebrant or of the community in which the mysteries are celebrated. The Apostle Paul had to address fiery words to the community of Corinth because of grave shortcomings in their celebration of the Eucharist resulting in divisions (schismata) and the emergence of factions (haireseis) (cf. 1 Cor 11:17-34). Our time, too, calls for a renewed awareness and appreciation of liturgical norms as a reflection of, and a witness to, the one universal Church made present in every celebration of the Eucharist. Priests who faithfully celebrate Mass according to the liturgical norms, and communities which conform to those norms, quietly but eloquently demonstrate their love for the Church. Precisely to bring out more clearly this deeper meaning of liturgical norms, asked the competent offices of the Roman Curia to prepare a more specific document, including prescriptions of a juridical nature, on this very important subject. No one is permitted to undervalue the mystery entrusted to our hands: it is too great for anyone to feel free to treat it lightly and with disregard for its sacredness and its universality.

More conservative Catholics have complained about the abuses since Vatican II. Pope John Paul II intends to rectify this.

6 posted on 04/18/2003 7:18:09 AM PDT by topher
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To: topher
Where in the Bible is communion restricted to only certain believers in Christ?
7 posted on 04/18/2003 7:33:20 AM PDT by Rammer
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Where did Jesus say you needed to be Catholic, Protestant or allied with any particular organized religion to take Holy Communion? You partake in Holy Communion for the reason as stated in the Bible, to remember Jesus and the sacrifice he was to make for man...so long as you understand same then why should you not take it? What the various Church's do in not allowing "certain people" to partake simply because they are of one type or not of a certain type goes against what Jesus taught, in my opinion. Perhaps I am wrong but what Jesus taught was not very complicated, what man does in his interpretation of same boggles my mind. (My wife is Catholic, she would kill me if she read this)
8 posted on 04/18/2003 7:35:45 AM PDT by never4get
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To: Dog Gone
Another example of the separation of Church and Grace....
9 posted on 04/18/2003 7:49:01 AM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: never4get
Catholicism is a Religion. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Occasionally Religion intersects with the Truth, but those intersections seem to be becoming fewer and fewer.
10 posted on 04/18/2003 7:54:39 AM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: topher
Clearly worded in the Encyclical was the fact that "Holy Communion" was being abused,

So when believers of the Lord Jesus Christ come together to remember the suffering, death and resurrection of the Lord by sharing in the Lord's Supper, it's "abuse?"

And people wonder why the Catholic church has been in decline.

11 posted on 04/18/2003 7:55:00 AM PDT by A2J (Daschle is a poo-poo head.)
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To: Rammer
Where in the Bible is communion restricted to only certain believers in Christ?

It's not.

This is just another attempt by an organization to deem itself THE only way to heaven.

12 posted on 04/18/2003 7:55:55 AM PDT by A2J (Daschle is a poo-poo head.)
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To: Dog Gone
The Pope is trying to stop horror scenes like this one:

 

Clinton receives Roman Communion

Monday, March 30, 1998

President Clinton took Communion at Mass in a Catholic church in Soweto yesterday and listened as the priest preached a sermon on adultery.

Click the pic for more info.

13 posted on 04/18/2003 7:58:31 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: never4get
There is a reason why Christian faiths have differences-

Some believe abortion can be allowed--the ELCA.

Some believe it is O.K. to have homsexual unions.

Some have allowed "priests" to be sexual predators.

Prayer is needed for divine guidance and Satan is trying
hard to blur the Commandments and Will of God.

There will be more fractures of established Christian
religions-because of their acceptance of .....
man made theology and rejection of Devine/Spirtual Soul
Saving Grace.

I am worried about the pope.. who would not excommunicate
the "priests" that have failed and destroyed the young
lives that were intrusted to them.

Can they still take communion??
14 posted on 04/18/2003 8:03:42 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: A2J
This is just another attempt by an organization to deem itself THE only way to heaven.

Every church has the motivation to hold itself out as the exclusive travel agency for trips to heaven. It's about money, power, and control, and not losing passengers to the competition.

Not all churches succumb to that temptation, but it's pretty easy to spot the ones that do.

15 posted on 04/18/2003 8:06:43 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: topher
The Apostle Paul had to address fiery words to the community of Corinth because of grave shortcomings in their celebration of the Eucharist resulting in divisions (schismata) and the emergence of factions (haireseis) (cf. 1 Cor 11:17-34).

Communion in the Early Church bore little resemblance to the celebration of the Eucharist as practiced by the Catholic Church today. If you read Corinthians, you see that Paul's "fiery words" were directed to those who viewed communion as an all you can eat banquet. People were taking communion drunk and were scrambling to eat before others.

The divisions that Paul mentioned were those created by people whose attitudes and behaviors were "unchristian". He would not have been addressing those who humbly wished to take part in the Lord's Supper.

16 posted on 04/18/2003 8:13:05 AM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: mj1234
That is not for you and I to decide, that is not for the church to decide. That is only for God to decide. Unless you can point to something in the Bible that tells me it is one particular group or another who should make the decision as to who can and can't accept Holy Communion then it is for God to decide. The Church is there to spread the word of the teachings of Christ, it is not there to judge us. If one chooses to take Holy Communion and is not sincere in his/her belief as to what it means then I prey for his soul when he/she goes before God for Judgment. I certainly agree with you that the Church has many problems but none of the problems stems from the teachings in the bibles but per their own actions (or non action when it comes to the priests)...We all sin, we should all try and make right with God and be sincere in that effort.
17 posted on 04/18/2003 8:21:22 AM PDT by never4get
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To: Dog Gone
Every church has the motivation to hold itself out as the exclusive travel agency for trips to heaven. It's about money, power, and control, and not losing passengers to the competition.

My in-laws go to a church like this. If you're not a member of their church you're not considered a "disciple". Their particular church claims to be the only one that really follows the teachings of the Bible. As a whole, this particular church seems to suffer from the sin of pride....

18 posted on 04/18/2003 8:21:40 AM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: never4get
LOL- So, if a church holds a satanic mass on saturday
and a Christian mass on Sunday do I "judge" what is
right and wrong?

If there was such a church then it would'nt really be
a communion.but anyone who partaking in this..--Yes I
could judge for them not to recieve in a True Church,
Communion.

Guess what,there is a problem with mainstream churches
"proclaiming the Eucharist" knowing they are still in
the state of sin rejecting Christ's teachings.

Here in Minnesota we have a minister who left her
husband and has finally "settled down at her church"
with HER partner -"can't marry same sex couples".

should I partake with this woman? the people who
go to this church- should they be able to go and do
what ever they want at any other church?
19 posted on 04/18/2003 8:56:33 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: mj1234
You are confusing personal choice and understanding with God's judgment. If there is a Church set up with your example...Celebrate Satan one day, Christ the next...and you want to join be my guest. Let's say someone from this "strange" Church wants to take Communion at a Catholic Church....the Church says no, you are not Catholic...They have then made a judgement that the person who wishes to take same is not worthy of Holy Communion...this is not for the Catholic church or any other church to judge. In the Bible Jesus instructs those who wish to take same on how and why...If in fact the person taking same does it without sincerity, for reasons which oppose God that is for God to decide, not you, me or anyone else. For Goodness sake, Jesus gave forgiveness to a criminal on the cross who was being crucified next to him...In present day I suspect the Catholic Church would have not given a similar man Holy Communion...What if I am near death due to an accident, I have accepted Christ as my Lord...I ask a priest walking by for a final Communion and blessing...IS HE TO REFUSE SIMPLY BECAUSE I AM NOT CATHOLIC. Let God by that who judges me and my sins. THIS IS MY OPINION AND IF I AM WRONG AND GOD HAS DECIDED THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND ANY OTHER CHURCH HAS THE RIGHT TO DICTATE WHO RECEIVES COMMUNION THEN BY ALL MEANS I HOPE I AM FORGIVEN FOR SUCH.
20 posted on 04/18/2003 9:47:57 AM PDT by never4get
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