Pope prepares to lift restrictions on Tridentine Mass

Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 2nd May 2003 | Simon Caldwell

[NYer]

immersion highlights the importance of the baptismal ceremony

I learned last year that a female coworker was also a Baptist minister. Last Easter, a local newspaper featured a picture of her in the church's baptismal pool (a cover on the floor lifts up to reveal this buried treasure). Surprisingly, her dress was fully immersed as well. She tipped me off to the trick. The dress has weights sewn into the hem to keep it submerged while she baptizes members of the congregation. And, yes, the "pool" is heated.

Guess the NO priests will have to implement a similar alteration to their robe.

[american colleen]

Heated pool? Weights attached to the dress? Babbling brooks located under a movable floor? Sheesh. When did baptism get so complicated. And this is the direction that AmChurch is headed towards. Spend thousands on gee-gaws that are unnecessary to our Salvation, intended to thrill and amaze the dopey spectators and then say it is a return to the "early church." Even I'm not that stupid!

SSPX, come on home!

[american colleen]

Guess the NO priests will have to implement a similar alteration to their robe.

No comment ;-)

[Jeff Chandler]

My not-so-humble opinion on the whole Latin vs. vernacular controversy is that if the modernists hadn't tried to eradicate so much of the traditional, there wouldn't be a controversy.

The whole point of having the Mass said in the language of the congregation was to foster participation and understanding of the Mass. Unfortunately, many "progressives" availed themselves of the opportunity to promote their agenda of changing the focus of the Mass from the worship of God and the Sacrifice of the Mass to the building of "community" and the "communal meal".

What I would like to see happen in America is the gradual re-Latinization (and Greekifying) of the Mass to a certain degree, with the English portions utilizing ACCURATE translations of the original texts.

Unfortunately, nobody asked me.

[VermiciousKnid]

I wish I had a parish like yours, because with the exception of this past Easter Sunday's Mass,...well, let's just say our parish just isn't my cup of tea.

Ditto for ALL the surrounding parishes within an hour's drive.

Regards,

PS: I hope this rumor is true; I would go to a TR Mass in a heartbeat. I enjoy them tremendously -- I am able to attend them only very rarely while traveling to Pennsylvania.

[wideawake]

Churchwreckers generally do not much care about the congregations they are "assisting" - what you should do is write a letter to your bishop.

I know nothing will happen - but you can document it. After all, these projects are always done "for the good of the laity" - if you let them know the good of the laity was not served, they can't claim ignorance.

[wideawake]

Congratulations to you and your family. If I can ever help or assist you in any matter, please FReepmail whenever you like.

I think many Catholics are assured of an eventual return of the Church to its liturgical heritage, mostly because the "progressives" of the 1970s are busy aborting, contracepting and divorcing themselves into obscurity.

At my parish, probably 25-30% of the congregation are children under the age of 12.

[wideawake]

LOL!

As I mentioned earlier on the thread, we baptized my little daughter on Divine Mercy Sunday according to the traditional rite.

Out of the 60 or so people present, only five regularly attend the old Mass and about 15 weren't even Catholic.

A few made Godfather references ("Michael Francis Rizzi, will you be baptized?"), a few of the non-Catholics asked questions about the theology of the rite and everyone said it was moving and impressive.

No one walked away confused or indifferent.

[B-Chan]

Keep the ICEL crew away from the translation process; with stun guns, if necessary. Any such translation should be poetic and dignified, like the Anglican Book of Common Prayer.

Interesting you should bring up the BCP. At our Anglican Use parish, we already say the Credo in Latin and the Kyrie in Greek, and are gradually adding more Latin -- we started the Gloria this week (using the excellent "John Carroll" setting!) And, as at all AU masses, our priest faces the Sanctuary in the Nave during mass, and we receive on the tongue from the priest himself while kneeling at the altar rail.

It's my understanding that ICEL is toast. Looks like Latin isn't quite as dead as many have thought! Gloria in excelcis Deo, et in Terra, Terra pax!

[B-Chan]

May God bless you and your family! My wife was baptized into the Church a year ago. I, too, am one reconciled to the Church, although I was licitly baptised by a Protestant minister as a youth. Our best to your and yours!

[Thorondir]

Hindu streetwear? At the NO abominations here in Tucson they go for the enviromentalist druid look.

It goes along with the feminazi, enviromentalist druid prayers.

[Thorondir]

Speaking of SARS... not much problem of communicating that disease in the old rite where people aren't pawsing at each other and playing twister for the Lord's Prayer before picking up the host and putting it in their mouths.

Almost sounds like a satanic plot to make Catholics sick, doesn't it?

Things that make you go "Hmmmmm..."

[american colleen]

Speaking of SARS... not much problem of communicating that disease in the old rite where people aren't pawsing at each other and playing twister for the Lord's Prayer before picking up the host and putting it in their mouths.

But notice in Toronto the word went out: "no Communion on the tongue!" - and not a word about the dang handshake.

[wideawake]

Precisely.

When I was in high school, there was a priest who was in his eighties and who was of entirely Irish ancestry.

He celebrated "Mass" in Navajo medicine man garments and made frequent references to "The Great Spirit".

By my calculation he was ordained in 1931.

I call those guys Edomites.

[Thorondir]

The Pope has just recently come out with a rather angry statement saying that the Vatican wants to be notified of any parish that refuses to give communion to a person because he or she kneels or wants to take the Holy Eucharist on the tongue.