I asked you what Jesus lied to the apostles as that is what it would appear he did if he was a spiritual body made of vapors
. It is an important to answer how God incarnate , the sinless savior could lie. And why Thomas after feeling the flesh said "MY LORD AMD MY GOD "
When Jesus told Thomas to behold His hands and feet, He was saying to him, notice they are not made of a non-solid vapor or gas, but they are solid, just like yours. This was Jesus spiritual presence, one that could do supernatural things.
You of course have a scripture to show us that a spiritual body is made up of gasses. :>))
Can you explain the scars and wounds of the crucifixion on the gases that appeared to Thomas, ?
JH the problem is you are making this up as you go along. We do not know with certainty what a spiritual body is made of.
The Jews believed in a spiritual resurrection and angels. So if jesus had been any less than flesh and bone it would not have been proof to them of His divinity
Read what Jesus said. "" for a spirit hath not flesh and bones,as ye see me have
Co 15:12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
Paul was teaching of a physical resurrection. to a predominantly Greek church he was addressing their doubts in a physical resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:36- 38 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body. V-44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Paul uses the analogy of a seed, noting that it is "sown" a natural body but raised a spiritual body. He is making a comparison between the first body and the new body, just as a seed becomes a plant, the old body becomes the new body.
The Rabbi Paul was teaching what he knew from that Talmud
The Talmudic uses the same analogy of a seed to explain the connection between the old body and the new one after the resurrection. In the Talmud, Rabbi Meier used the metaphor of a grain of wheat sown into the ground but raised a blossoming flower: "If a kernel fo wheat is buried naked and will sprout forth in many robes, how much more so the righteous." (b. Sanh. 90b). Not only does this indicate Rabbi Paul's Jewish training it suggests that Paul was discussing--as was Rabbi Meier--a physical resurrection.
Most of the Jewish listeners and readers would understand the analogy
Consider when Paul speaks of a "spiritual" body and a "natural" body, both phrases are talking about the same thing-the "soma" ( the physical body). The terms "spiritual" and "natural" do not change this. They simply differentiate the nature of the body before and after, but in his words in no way implyi that one is physical and the other is not. According to Paul, the current body is a natural body. But, after the resurrection, it will be a spiritual body. In both cases, it remains a body (soma).
I asked you what Jesus lied to the apostles as that is what it would appear he did if he was a spiritual body made of vapors
It is an important to answer how God incarnate , the sinless savior could lie. And why Thomas after feeling the flesh said "MY LORD AMD MY GOD "
It is you who seem to be calling Jesus a liar, not me. It’s you who can’t seem to distinguish between the words “spirit” and “spiritual.” Jesus said he was not a “SPIRIT” but He did not say He wasn’t “SPIRITUAL.”
The word “SPIRIT” pneuma, means a breath, a breeze, a ghost, and as I said earlier that you mocked because I didn’t use the Strong’s definition, a gas or a vapor, which are good terms we all understand.
Jesus was raised a “Spiritual,” body, not a “Spirit,” and the difference is clear, since He was not a Spirit, then he was “spiritual” as Paul made clear in 1 Cor 15. If you search the number 4152-pneumatikos, which Paul used to describe what a natural body becomes when it’s quickened.
Besides, 4152 is defined as, from GSN4151; non-carnal, i.e. (humanly) ethereal (as opposed to gross), or (demonically) a spirit (concretely), or (divinely) supernatural, regenerate, religious: KJV--spiritual. Compare GSN5591.
Then if you read a few of the scripture the word “SPIRITUAL” is used in, you’ll see its always associated with a thing or a person, such as a spiritual judge, a spiritual person, a spiritual thing, a spiritual food, a spiritual drink, etc.
Christ had a SPIRITUAL body, not a SPIRIT body, and that’s what he was showing them through Thomas.
Now, read what he said again.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. It was Jesus Himself with a spiritual body, not a spirit body.
You of course have a scripture to show us that a spiritual body is made up of gasses. :>))
As I explained, I used words I thought were more descriptive, but I see Strong’s did have better ones, such as, breath, breeze, or a ghost. ;-)
Can you explain the scars and wounds of the crucifixion on the gases that appeared to Thomas, ?
When He was given the new spiritual flesh, and bones, they set the “spiritulaizer” on “REPLICATE AS IS.” Lol - What can I say, why would God repair the damage that identified Him as the tortured Jesus, which was the whole point of His showing Himself to them? When we see Him again, He will possibly still exhibit the same wounds.
JH the problem is you are making this up as you go along. We do not know with certainty what a spiritual body is made of.
If you mean that I had never studied it until yesterday, you’re correct, but I don’t see it as a problem, I see it as an opportunity to ask God to direct me into the truth, because I’m certainly not capable on my own.
That’s as much of your 2 page post I’ll go into, since I believe I have answered your question about Jesus being spiritual, and not a spirit, so let me know if you need any more details.
JH :-)