The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

AP ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[ET(end tyranny)]

Did Abraham keep the law (there was no law)

We are told that he did, further on in Genesis, that he kept God's statutes, commands and laws. Genesis 26:5

Genesis 9 comes before Genesis 15, thus the covenant with Noah already exists. So much for your 'there was no law'. You can keep pretending it didn't exist, but that won't it go away.

Was Abraham a descendant of Noah?

12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

Again, how long is perpetual?

[CindyDawg]

No, I thought they did very well. I just think there was too much coverage. BO whining on Fox about how long he had to wait for the ferry.A walk would not have hurt him. I just think all should keep their car 1/2 full and have some cash available. An ER kit in your car or bag a good idea too. I keep a backpack that has a flashlite, change, my charged cell phone, a bottle of water, some crackers, and a pocket knife plus some other stuff. In the house I have decorative oil lamps in each room ready to go and Flashlites.

[ET(end tyranny)]

No, I thought they did very well. I just think there was too much coverage. BO whining on Fox about how long he had to wait for the ferry.A walk would not have hurt him. I just think all should keep their car 1/2 full and have some cash available. An ER kit in your car or bag a good idea too. I keep a backpack that has a flashlite, change, my charged cell phone, a bottle of water, some crackers, and a pocket knife plus some other stuff. In the house I have decorative oil lamps in each room ready to go and Flashlites.

I thought they acted calmly. The news kept saying there was panic. I didn't see any panic. We keep kits in our cars too, and at home.

[Codie]

I don't understand why it is that former Catholics become "rabid" former Catholics.If you want to leave the Church,then leave.Why do you insist on running back and spray painting the "Pope wears a funny hat",every where you go?

[RnMomof7]

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones,as ye see me have.

I asked you what Jesus lied to the apostles as that is what it would appear he did if he was a spiritual body made of vapors

. It is an important to answer how God incarnate , the sinless savior could lie. And why Thomas after feeling the flesh said "MY LORD AMD MY GOD "

When Jesus told Thomas to behold His hands and feet, He was saying to him, notice they are not made of a non-solid vapor or gas, but they are solid, just like yours. This was Jesus spiritual presence, one that could do supernatural things.

You of course have a scripture to show us that a spiritual body is made up of gasses. :>))

Can you explain the scars and wounds of the crucifixion on the gases that appeared to Thomas, ?

JH the problem is you are making this up as you go along. We do not know with certainty what a spiritual body is made of.

The Jews believed in a spiritual resurrection and angels. So if jesus had been any less than flesh and bone it would not have been proof to them of His divinity

Read what Jesus said. "" for a spirit hath not flesh and bones,as ye see me have

Co 15:12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

Paul was teaching of a physical resurrection. to a predominantly Greek church he was addressing their doubts in a physical resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:36- 38 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body. V-44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Paul uses the analogy of a seed, noting that it is "sown" a natural body but raised a spiritual body. He is making a comparison between the first body and the new body, just as a seed becomes a plant, the old body becomes the new body.

The Rabbi Paul was teaching what he knew from that Talmud

The Talmudic uses the same analogy of a seed to explain the connection between the old body and the new one after the resurrection. In the Talmud, Rabbi Meier used the metaphor of a grain of wheat sown into the ground but raised a blossoming flower: "If a kernel fo wheat is buried naked and will sprout forth in many robes, how much more so the righteous." (b. Sanh. 90b). Not only does this indicate Rabbi Paul's Jewish training it suggests that Paul was discussing--as was Rabbi Meier--a physical resurrection.

Most of the Jewish listeners and readers would understand the analogy

Consider when Paul speaks of a "spiritual" body and a "natural" body, both phrases are talking about the same thing-the "soma" ( the physical body). The terms "spiritual" and "natural" do not change this. They simply differentiate the nature of the body before and after, but in his words in no way implyi that one is physical and the other is not. According to Paul, the current body is a natural body. But, after the resurrection, it will be a spiritual body. In both cases, it remains a body (soma).

[restornu]

I have a 72hr kit with all of the goody and securiteis!

I agree the 24hr coverage was a pain and disruptive.

Somehow it seems TV main purpose is for the talking heads of NO substance!

I truely believe that the best radio in the country is ~

WABC

I can't stand John Bachlor at times but they do go all over the world and you will hear things that no other outlet reports!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Where was I rabid today?

Becky

[CindyDawg]

I guess when you spray painted that the pope wears a funny hat. What post was that? I missed it? :')

[Codie]

Priests are not saved to begin with, IMO

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

LOL, Must have been when I was babbling, ROFLOL.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

That is rabid? I am sorry you took it that way. Did you read further on.

Wouldn't it be more rabid of me, if I beleived the way I do, but tell you you are OK?

I am sorry my opinion bothers you. Can you tell me why? Doesn't really only matter what God thinks?

Becky

[CindyDawg]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966254/posts Anyone heard from JH lately ?:')

[Codie]

Do you understand what you preach? Or are you just parroting what you've heard?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I want to add something here. Just because I say a priest is not saved does not mean I do not think that there are good honest sincere priests within the Catholic Church.

It's just that I do not believe being good, honest and sincere is what get you to heaven. I have nothing against Catholics priest or laity, I just think they are wrong in what they believe about what God's Plan of Salvation is and so are in danger of hell. Should I just sit back and keep my mouth shut about that. I was asked a question I answered it. I am sorry the answer offended you, it was not meant too. But I was not rabid, I did not make any ridiculing statements as your post suggests. You seem a little too sensitive to be on this forum.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

How am I suppose to answer that?

I believe what I am telling you with all my heart.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

ROFLOL

Just clicked your link.

Becky

[Codie]

I believe what I am telling you with all my heart.

Then your heart is contrary.You should go back and read what you said.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Why don't you just tell me specifically, please.

I know I got to babbling this afternoon, but you still have yet to justify your remark about me being rabid.

Becky

[Wrigley]

I agree with you. And there wasn't even a "correction" of your supposed errors either.

[Codie]

This is rabid

Priests are not saved to begin with, IMO

This is contrary.

From what you say you believe no I don't. That doesn't mean you aren't though. I'm not God. If you are secure in your beliefs it should not bother you what I think.