Ron Paul’s inclusive message attracting African American voters (HUGE black voter shift)

USA Daily ^ | 10-25-2007 | Maple Brown

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Ron Paul’s inclusive message attracting African American voters
Maple Brown, USA Daily
Published 10/25/2007 - 11:34 a.m. EDT

Ron Paul’s inclusive message of peace, freedom, and prosperity may be attracting African American voters. According to this poll, Ron Paul leads his GOP opponents among black voters in general election contests.

In general election matches Paul loses among African American voters 60% to 33% against Hillary Clinton and loses 61% to 31% to Barack Obama.

In 2004 CNN exit polls show Bush receiving 11% of the African American vote in the general election against Kerry.

The averages of general election match up against either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama are for Paul, Romney, McCain or Giuliani are, Ron Paul - 32%, Mitt Romney - 23.5%, John McCain - 20%, Rudy Giuliani - 16%.

If the polls are accurate it could mean that Ron Paul’s message that ‘Freedom unites people’ is working. Paul’s uncompromising defense of the Bill of Rights is making him a Civil Rights Leader in his own right. ("Ron Paul inspiring new Civil Rights movements")

The poll, if accurate, could also mean that Ron Paul’s message of ‘repealing the police state’ is resonating with African American voters.

Paul does appear to be a uniting political force attracting supporters at his events from all walks of life.

USA Daily does not encourage its readers to allow polls to influence their voting decisions in any way. They are too often inaccurate. This statement is not a comment on the poll in question just on polling in general. (Discuss the election on www.usadaily.net)

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

"I got to know President Reagan in 1976 when, as a freshman congressman, I was one of only four members of that body to endorse then-Governor Reagan’s primary challenge to President Gerald Ford. I had the privilege of serving as the leader of President Reagan’s Texas delegation at the Republican convention of 1976, where Ronald Reagan almost defeated an incumbent president for his party’s nomination. I was one of the millions attracted to Ronald Reagan by his strong support for limited government and the free-market. I felt affinity for a politician who based his conservative philosophy on '...a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom.' I wish more of today’s conservative leaders based their philosophy on a desire for less government and more freedom." – Ron Paul, Remembering Ronald Reagan

In 2008, I'm voting for the REAGAN REPUBLICAN. I'm voting for former Vietnam Conflict Flight Surgeon, and Leader of Ronald Reagan's Electoral Delegation from Texas: In 2008, I'm Voting for RON PAUL!

"The greatest champion of conservative principles we have seen in Congress in the past quarter century."
(David T. Pyne, Esq., Vice President of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies)

Let's see if this Article is permitted to remain in the general News/Activism Forum -- because if ANY Republican Candidate can pick up 33% of the Black Vote, that is HUGE, ground-breaking, paradigm-shifting Election News! It would throw the entire Democratic electoral calculus severely out of whack -- and, get this... some of us Conservatives actually want to WIN the 2008 General Election. Imagine that!

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

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[Crim]

Gag.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Gag.

Winning 33% of the Black Vote would be huge. Absolutely stunning.

The Dems would be running for the exits. It's a fact.

[joyce11111]

DOUBLE GAG

[DoughtyOne]

Is it too late for me to second that gag? If not, I second that gag. All those in favor...

[Drango]

[Crim]

BTW....I’d vote for McCain before I’d vote for paul...

Hell...I’d now That I think about it.....I’d rather vote for hillery.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Gag all you want.

If Ron Paul is the Republican Nominee, and he picks up 33% of the Black Vote, you can gag all the way to Hitlery's Concession speech.

[TypeZoNegative]

He wins that vote, but is he strong on the War on Terror? That’s why right now, Paul is just a sideshow and not a real candidate.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

BTW....I’d vote for McCain before I’d vote for paul... Hell...I’d now That I think about it.....I’d rather vote for hillery.

Why?

You'd deliberately vote AGAINST a 100% Pro-Life, Pro-Gun Rights, Pro-Borders, Pro-Capitalism old-school Reagan Republican?

In favor of Hillary?

Why?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

He wins that vote, but is he strong on the War on Terror? That’s why right now, Paul is just a sideshow and not a real candidate.

If my pessimism is justified — and come on: In the long dark watches of the night, you know it is — the only set of candidates worth our scrutiny are the Democrats. For a Republican to win in ’08, he’s going to have to be a credibly anti-war Republican. ~~ John Derbyshire, National Review

News flash, kemosabe... some of us want to WIN the 2008 General Election.

[DoughtyOne]

Perhaps you can explain to us what this Old School Reganite Republican’s views on Grenada are.

[rineaux]

You are full force tonight. Thanks for the pings. Glad to have you back up and running.

[Bogtrotter52]

These (pathetic) attempts to make Ron Paul appear to be gaining ground are getting funnier by the day.

[camerakid400]

“Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835179/posts

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Perhaps you can explain to us what this Old School Reganite Republican’s views on Grenada are.

Huh?

As far as I'm aware, Ron Paul has never repudiated the Monroe Doctrine regarding foreign adventurism in the Western Hemisphere. If he has done so, could you cite the source?

[DoughtyOne]

Ron Paul won’t get 33% of those who vote from the 10% segment of our populace that is Black. His chances of getting the nomination are about equal to that of Charlie Brown getting it. Oh I forgot, Charlie Brown is dead. Oops, he was never alive. Perhaps that’s Ron’s problem too. Because politcally, Presidentially, he might just as well be.

About 90% of the Republican Party would rather go fishing than vote for a guy who shares Osama Bin Laden’s deepest desires of the U.S. in Iraq.

We’re going to win, not pull out.

[DoughtyOne]

Bull -—t! If we can’t go after terrorists, we sure as hell can’t go after anyone who hasn’t fired a shot.

LMAO, at least you folks are consistant. A laugh a minute 24 hours a day...

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

“Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835179/posts

"The aim of every State, as it stomps and stumbles along its way toward totalitarianism, is to MAKE EVERYONE A CRIMINAL." -- David Lemmon

In that context, can you really blame the 33% of Black Voters who are now supporting Ron Paul against the encroachment of Big Government?

[Crim]

Let me make this perfectly clear...

I would RATHER have hillery than Paul...

She may be a socialist power grubing bitch.....but she aint crazy...

Now begone zealot!

I smite thee!

[thewitz]

I would have to agree with you. Ron Paul does put a lot of otherwise dem voters in to play, but I have to wonder if many Republicans would be enthusiastic voting for him... That said, if he gets the nomination; you can be damn sure he’s got my vote over the beast.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Okay, so you've got no evidence showing that Ron Paul has repudiated the Monroe Doctrine. You were just throwing out red herrings.

Gotcha.

[Crim]

Answered....he’s a frickin nutcase...I dont care if he parrots your wet dreams...

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

You didn't answer my question.

WHY would you support Hitlery over a 100% Pro-Life, Pro-Gun Rights, Pro-Borders, Pro-Capitalism old-school Reagan Republican?

Do tell. And be specific.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I'm back.

In black.

(There is, of course, only one Presbyterian liturgical color. Ever.)

[Crim]

I answered your stupid question...

becuase she isnt frickin insane...

Get a clue.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I would have to agree with you. Ron Paul does put a lot of otherwise dem voters in to play, but I have to wonder if many Republicans would be enthusiastic voting for him... That said, if he gets the nomination; you can be damn sure he’s got my vote over the beast.

That's what we're counting on.

No matter what else happens in the Primaries, you'll still vote for a 100% Pro-Life, Pro-Gun Rights, Pro-Borders, Pro-Capitalism old-school Reagan Republican if it's Ron Paul in the Generals.

Meanwhile, Ron Paul's Anti-War, Pro-Civil Rights stance puts Hillary's own BASE into play.

That's the idea.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

That's not an answer. Merely an apersion.

And an indication that you have no answer.

Fact is, if Ron Paul wins the GOP Nomination, you'll vote for him in the Generals. Right now, you're just spouting.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Merely an apersion. aspersion.

Pity. They even provide a spell check.

[SteveMcKing]

Blacks are 12.9% of the US population. 60% of blacks over 18 vote.

What percent of blacks, then, are over 18? If it were even two-thirds (it's not), and then applying your dream of 33% of those folks going for Ron Paul (they won't), the numbers are still too few to lift your candidate out of 'Ralph Nader' territory.

Don't let math discourage you though. Imaginary numbers should be no problem at all for the witch-shrunken heads of Ron Paul & company.

[DoughtyOne]

Actually, we haven’t taken action in the Americas so Ron hasn’t addressed the issue.

He is on record regarding our operations in Iraq. And if he can’t see any reason for being in a nation that swore to help destroy our nation, gave $25k rewards to the families of suicide bombers in Israel, started a war that cost about 500,000 lives on both sides with Iran, took over another nation Kuwait, attacked Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Israel, killed upwards of 300,000 more of his citizens through torture, gased the Kurds, was raping abusing and killing women for the sport of it, and was just fine with his sons feeding their husbands through a wood chipper feet first, it’s kindof hard to acknowledge any type of verbal victory on your part for denying he wouldn’t have supported Reagan’s efforts in Granada.

Seriously, what kind of medications do you have to be on to think Paul would give a pass to what took place in Iraq, but would approve of stoping what was going on in Granada?

The War on Terrorism was concieved as a reaction to a violent attack on our soil. The action in Granada was concieved as a preemptive strike against those who looked like they might hurt our students, and develop a base in the Americas.

Are you telling me Paul would support Granada? LOL, you believe that?

[Crim]

Man....I wouldnt vote for him EVER...

I’m serious as a heart attack...

You are advocating for a crazy man...

Do your church lady superior dance all you want...

He’s nuts....he aint going to win sh!t...he wont get my vote....ever...

[tophat9000]

Look bud, Ron Paul is a George Soros fund shill even if clueless Ron Paul and his supporter don't know it So Move on to Move On

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Are you telling me Paul would support Granada? LOL, you believe that?

Ron Paul has never repudiated the Monroe Doctrine.

In 1983, Ronald Reagan -- executing the Monroe Doctrine -- notified Congress of the Grenada Intervention, but did not consult Congress.

Congressman Ron Paul lodged no protest.

Considering he protests everything else that the Government does which is unconstitutional, his silence on Ronald Reagan's execution of the Monroe Doctrine does not help your case.

Which is no case at all, of course. President Reagan executed the Monroe Doctrine. Congress was notified. Ron Paul offered no objection.

Case closed.

[fieldmarshaldj]

[Shimmer]

I notice that Ron Paul has one supporter here, and that one supporter is responsible for 87% of the noise going on here.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

So, you care more about prosecuting Foreign Wars than every other Conservative issue combined (where Ron Paul is 100% on ALL of them).

Gotcha.

(and you call me insane. HAH!)

Do know this, however -- I will NEVER support spending American Blood and Treasure to support an Anti-Christian Terrorist Thug-Regime like the ruling Islamic Theocracy of Iraq, which is dominated by the psychopathic gang of murderers known as the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and the Islamic Al Dawa Party, who are the very same Islamic Terrorist Parties which bombed the US & French Embassies in Kuwait, and murdered 241 United States Marines in Beirut in 1983. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, of the Al Dawa Party, was the Bureau Chief of the Al Dawa Party's terrorist "Jihad Office" in Damascus in the 1980s and was thus heavily responsible for Al Dawa operations in Beirut, while parliament member Jamal Jafaar Mohammed of his ruling coalition is one of the "Kuwait 17", still under a Kuwaiti death sentence (in absentia) for his direct involvement in the vicious attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait!

If supporting these Anti-Christ, American-Killing Terrorist Thugs is more important to you than EVERY other Conservative issue -- well, if that's your definition of "Conservatism", THEN VOTE HILLARY, and BE PROUD.

But it will NEVER be MY definition of Conservatism.

[DoughtyOne]

I’d like to think otherwise, but you are an idiot.

Faced with what I just recited to you, you have deemed it reasonable to think that Paul would agree to military action outside of our borders.

That is patently false.

If Paul can’t sign on to the War on Terrorism, and he can’t, he shouldn’t be trusted to defend this nation and it’s citizens anywhere outside our borders.

Ron Paul has destroyed himself on this issue, and if you wish to defend a moonbat like that, go right ahead.

It’s your credibility, not mine.

There is one thing we can agree on. The case is definately closed.

[Soliton]

I have an autographed picture of Neil Armstrong, but it doesn’t mean that I have been to the moon.

Ron Paul hates the military. He should run as Hillary’s VP.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I cited the specific case of Grenada, including the actual record of correspondence between the President and the Congress (of which Ron Paul was a serving member) at that time.

Since you had no response to that, you simply call me an idiot.

Fine. Get back to me when you can cite an actual historical case without blithely ignoring the evidence in question.

If you can do so -- ever -- it will represent a tremendous improvement from your usual empty bluster.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country!"

Guess who said it.

I'll tell you:
United States President Ronald Reagan.

[pandoraou812]

He’s nuts....he aint going to win sh!t...he wont get my vote....ever...<P.

He isn’t getting mine either.

[Crim]

“GOTCHA”?

WTF have you got?

And how do I keep from catching it?

I notice you haven't disputed my claim that he is non compus mentus...

is that a “gotcha” too?

You trot out an asylum inmate who believes in God, Guns, and Butter.....and I'm expected to ignore the fact that he’s insane?

At the risk of beating the phrase to death....

“who am I supposed to believe?...you?...or my own eyes?”

[DoughtyOne]

I’m sure you haven’t heard of empirical evidence, but then you haven’t displayed your know your a— from a hole in the ground either.

Grenada took place in the mid-1980s. Iraq is now.

Ron has destroyed himself and it isn’t the fault of people like me. It’s his own doing.

I’ll be happy to put my ‘empty bluster’ up against your illogical moonbat vapors any day.

Tell us where Ron has proposed we take any military actions outside our borders, or has actually gone on the record supporting such actions. Don’t tell me where he has graciously remained silent while actions taken to protect our citizens took place.

[johnthebaptistmoore]

Somebody should tell them that Tom Tancredo was the only GOP Presidential candidate who showed up for the NAACP convention.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

""

A Libertarian is a Republican who has been mugged by police?

[My Favorite Headache]

You Paulies really need to share what kind of shit you are smoking...because the other 98% of Republicans who are polled apparently are missing out.

[Crim]

Ronald Reagan once played in movies with a chimp too...gave the chimp high reviews as well....

[Crim]

Oh...BTW...I never called YOU insane....re-read my posts...I called RP insane...

That you paul?