The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the 31st RCT at the Chosin Reservoir (Nov. 1950)- Nov. 27th, 2003

Army History Foundation ^ | Matthew J. Seelinger, AHF Research Historian

[snippy_about_it]

Good Morning from America Matt. The pictures do speak for themselves!!!

[Darksheare]

No, but I did spend a few weeks undercover as a mailbox.

[snippy_about_it]

:)

[Darksheare]

Not sure, but China likes to have a hand in every kettle and play everything against the middle.
And then some.

The Falun Gong are outlawed in China as a Counter-revolutionary political group and are persecuted as a religion.
A group of them went to Deerpark NY and built a monastary style compound.
Now mind you, Deerpark NY is as far from the beaten path as one can get around here. Especially where this monastary sits.
(It resembles a Buddhist temple I am told.)
Well, these Chinese gov thugs drive in their Diplomatic plate car all the way from the city out to Deerpark.
Their cover story was that they were 'sight seeing'.
ALL the locals hear that and said "B.S.!!"
This was roughly a year ago, and the local Communist Rag known as The Times-Herald Record covered it.
The Police chief, Tufano I think his name is, honestly was angry about the Falun Gong calling the police to remove these Chinese Secret Police thugs from private property where they were trespassing.
The thugs were taking pictures of the buildings, the layout, the people (To ID them and arrest any family members still in China) and anything else of value.
Tufano refused to arrest the spying thugs, even though they were cleary trespassing, and merely escorted them to the main road where they were 'released'.
The Falun Gong called the FBI, the FBI wanted to know where he thugs were.
Tufano defended his actions.
No more has been heard about it since.

As an aside- during Clinton's Stain in office, a Chinese delegation asked for, and received from Bubba himself, permission to wander through Picatinney Arsenal's R&D areas.
Picatinney Aresenal was given no warning that these spies were coming until they were at the gate.
They had no time to cover sensitive items.
They got a phonecall telling them to give these Chinese spies FULL ACCESS to everything.
Quite a few people there are still P.O'd about it.

[Darksheare]

*chuckle*

[Darksheare]

The fly-by-wire control suite from the F-16 was sold to China thanks to Clinton.
How much you wanna bet that if we could open that bird up and look inside it we'd see a near perfect copy of the F-16's control system?

[Darksheare]

I left about three crumbs for the mice.
/ joke.
No, I left more than that.
Had a bit of a late night, the turkey wasn't done until about 7:30 my time, so we didn't REALLy start until about 8 ish..

[SAMWolf]

Yep! Those look like the pictures my dad has. Wait forever and then you had to buy what that had available no matter what it was. The only places that had anything were American Hotels and "Party Member Stores"

[Iris7]

This is the best telling I know of the 31st RCT action at the Chosin. I have talked old soldier talk with Chosin men, marines, and it was very hard. The cold weather was very cold indeed, 40 degrees below zero Fahrenheit with winds gusting over thirty miles per hour. There was no shelter of any sort.

To keep the Chinese away from the wounded - only the seriously wounded rode in the trucks available, fuel was very short - and to keep the Chinese from building heavily dug in roadblocks on the only road to the Sea (going cross country would have meant abandoning the wounded), while being outnumbered many times by very brave Chinese intent on killing them all, was the job at hand. The hill tops had to be held to keep the Chinese from mortaring the retreat. The large Chinese manuever elements attempting to cut off the retreat had to be broken up. It took suicidal determination to get the job done. Good sleeping bags and enough ammunition (close, though), and good air strikes helped.

Talked with an old Gunny who got the Cross there over drinks once, he told me over and over again about cowardly officers who would not do their duty. So he did it for them. He felt more than half screwed to death, too. Well, that is a common feeling. Seeing your duty and doing it properly is beyond so many so much of the time even when they aren't likely to be killed. It gets worse when something really has to be done, and "there is no likelyhood of survival," as Commander Evans put it when he ordered the escorts of Taffy 3 to attack a Japanese battle group with, as I remember, four battleships and eight cruisers and numerous destroyers. Evans had two destroyers and two destroyer escorts. Evans was killed. Posthumous Medal of Honor. Look up "the battle off Samar", during the Leyte Gulf battle. Sam and Snippy have written that one up well here in the Foxhole.

[Iris7]

"...we may not always be 100 percent happy with some of his policies but he is a sincere and good man and we are blessed to have him as President."

I watch everything as closely as I can. About a year ago what President Bush was doing and had done became outstandingly clear in my mind. Ever since then I can see so clearly it is as if I can read his mind. I can read his mind because he has made himself completely open for others to see him as he is inside if you will get beyond the beam in your own eye. This beam in my own eye took some time and doing to see around, let me tell you!! Keep thinking I've got the bugger out of there, and keep finding out after strutting around a bit that it is still in there, big as life and twice as ugly!!

Mr. Bush cannot work miracles. What he does, while being totally open to others at all times, is the deepest sort of statecraft, where every action has carefully considered ramifications. This sort of wisdom is only possible for a man deeply graced by God.

An example is the Medicaid drug benifit law just passed. Old Ted Kennedy towards the end saw what was happening, and said "Stop!! Stop!!" after he had backed it for so long. This has been a most elegant stroke. The Left don't even realize how they are being lead around by the nose.

I would take more time than I have to explain what I am saying to the satisfaction of all, bunches of history, legislative, marketing, internal Left line setting, lots more. Lots of threads to pull together. But I can see it in outline. We are in the presence of a true master.

I think we may have today a President more perfect than ever we have ever had before, and I include George Washington. God's Grace has given us sinners another chance. A miracle has happened.

[snippy_about_it]

Keep thinking I've got the bugger out of there, and keep finding out after strutting around a bit that it is still in there, big as life and twice as ugly!!

Hey Iris7, I've got one of those too. If we don't remove the beam the Lord will slap us upside the head with it!

I believe we have been given a chance and it's a chance to rise up against evil. We are doing it though it seems slow going. I think the people are rising and if you look hard enough you can see it.

As discussed on earlier, our troops are being treated differently now by America's citizens. Is that because of the press? The politicians? Nope, it's because the people are waking up and the old folks like us are making sure the word gets out that things have to change. We can no longer sit idly by and let evil advance with a free hand.

I think there are signs though not perfect or as strong as I'd like I see the right gaining and we just have to keep up the fight.

Now if we could move ahead on protecting our borders, ending immigration from third world enemy countries and exporting jobs while we import workers we might gain something at home. If we don't it will, imo, come down to the street level and will have to be fought there.

On a personal note Iris7, it's so good to see you at Foxhole!

[SAMWolf]

Over confidence put the troops in a dangerous position and once again the guy on the ground paid for it. That anyone got out of the Chosin was nothing short of a minor miracle.

It proves the determination of the men of the US armed forces. IMHO, the start of politcal decisions to not win started in Korea.