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The FReeper Foxhole Profiles "A Hillside Near Khe Sanh" - June 26th, 2004
http://www.afa.org/magazine/valor/0785valor.asp ^

Posted on 06/26/2004 12:08:48 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



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A Hillside Near Khe Sanh




Capt. Gerald O. Young


The severely injured HH-3E pilot laid his life on the line to save a rescue force from disaster.

Shortly after midnight on Nov. 9, 1967, Capt. Gerald O. Young, an instructor pilot with the 37th Air Rescue and Recovery Squadron, Da Nang, headed his HH-3E Jolly Green Giant toward an area southwest of Khe Sanh.



Low-hanging clouds shrouded 5,000-foot peaks off to his left. Visibility was poor. It wasn't a good night for a rescue mission in the hill country just below the DMZ, but Young was a veteran of 59 combat missions, including as far north as Haiphong. He and his crew had volunteered for this one.

The previous afternoon, a small US-South Vietnamese reconnaissance team had been surrounded by a NVA battalion. Two helicopters had been shot down during a daylight rescue attempt. Young and his crew were flying backup for another Jolly Green, supported by a C-130 flareship and three Army gunships, in a desperate attempt to save the ambushed patrol.

As the rescue force approached the beleaguered team, the enemy opened up with automatic weapons on the escorting gunships. The primary HH-3E moved through heavy fire into the area, now lighted by flares from the C-130. Hovering along a steep slope, its crew picked up three survivors before they were forced to withdraw to an emergency landing area, badly shot up and leaking fuel and oil. The pilot advised Young not to make another attempt under such extremely difficult conditions. Nevertheless, Young decided on one more try, even though the gunships were low on fuel and ammunition and might not be able to stay with them.



Young approached the slope head-on, hovering with one main wheel on the ground and his rotor blades barely clearing the bank above him. His copilot, Capt. Ralph Brower, directed fire from the gunships while Sgt. Larry Mansey leaped to the ground to help the wounded aboard, covered by SSgt. Eugene Clay at one of the chopper's machine guns. The big bird was sprayed by automatic weapons fire while five survivors were pulled aboard. During takeoff, a direct hit exploded one of the Jolly Green's engines, flipping the craft over on its back as it burst into flames and crashed down the hillside.



Young, hanging upside down in his harness, finally escaped through the broken windshield, his clothing on fire. He rolled down the slope to extinguish the flames, which had inflicted second- and third-degree burns on his legs, back, arms, and neck. Then, with his bare hands, he smothered the flames that were consuming a soldier lying nearby who had been thrown clear of the wreckage. Were there other survivors in or near the burning wreck? Young crawled 100 yards up the hill toward the flames, but was driven back by intense heat and enemy fire.

Young knew that daylight would bring a rescue force looking for survivors. The first A-1E Sandys to arrive spotted him and the unconscious man he had rescued. Young tried to warn them of a possible flak trap. He knew that the main rescue force would arrive at any moment and that enemy troops were moving back into the area to oppose them. The only way he could help was by leading the hostiles away from the crash site. In his condition, that meant almost certain capture or death.



He hid the wounded man whom he had rescued earlier and, despite the agony of his burns, took off into the brush, with enemy troops in pursuit. Each step ahead in the long hours of flight was a triumph of will over searing pain as he lured his pursuers farther and farther from the wreckage. After stumbling and crawling for six miles, he eluded the NVA troops late that afternoon, 17 hours after the crash, and called in a helicopter to pick him up.

A rescue force had finally been able to land at the crash site, retrieve one survivor, and recover the bodies of the dead, including that of the man Young had hidden. Young spent six months in hospitals, recovering from his burns. In May 1968, he was awarded the Medal of Honor by President Lyndon Johnson at a ceremony dedicating the Pentagon's Hall of Heroes.



Before retiring as a lieutenant colonel in 1980, Young served at the Air Force Academy, was instrumental in setting up the forerunner of the Air Force Mast Program (which provides helicopter assistance to civilian highway patrols), flew with the VIP transport squadron out of Andrews AFB, Md., and was Air Attache to Colombia.

In 1985, 18 years after his last combat mission, he was asked how he felt about his Vietnam experience? "The air rescue mission was one of the best in the war," he said. "There is no greater compensation than to participate in saving lives."

By that standard, Young was a wealthy man indeed.

By John L. Frisbee, Contributing Editor




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To: Light Speed
Thanks Light Speed. IMO, this is one war we should cover more of and just recently more is begining to be printed and that's a good thing.

...for some did fight to the last man on hill top firebases.

This is so true.

41 posted on 06/26/2004 12:22:35 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Hi snippy

Have had Freeper Foxhole threads make first page hit returns when Googling.

A great way to honor veterans and peak researchers attention : )

42 posted on 06/26/2004 2:50:29 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed

Yep, isn't it great! This is sometimes how we hear from authors or family members by freepmail from them googling. We think it's wonderful and helps spread the word about the sacrifices our veterans have made.


43 posted on 06/26/2004 3:30:10 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Light Speed

Thanks for the book recommendation Light Speed.


44 posted on 06/26/2004 4:42:43 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Diver Dave

Afternoon DD.

Just got back from seening "The Notebook", What a tearjerker!


45 posted on 06/26/2004 4:44:13 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Light Speed
Have had Freeper Foxhole threads make first page hit returns when Googling.

Oh Oh! Now Snippy will start charging for her autograph. :-)

46 posted on 06/26/2004 4:45:15 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: SAMWolf
Now Snippy will start charging for her autograph.

LOL. I don't think that will pay the rent!

47 posted on 06/26/2004 5:09:27 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I don't think that will pay the rent!

It couldn't hurt.

48 posted on 06/26/2004 5:33:19 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

RE: #20...Ya, I thought I would have been done by last Christmas, Easter at the vary latest but noooooo.
Shoot I will be lucky to be finished by Labor Day, 2005.

Well only one more big project left, gotta put on the new roof. A few things ont the inside and I can get my final inspection from the fine folks at the building codes office.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


49 posted on 06/26/2004 6:08:44 PM PDT by alfa6 (Mrs. Murphy's Postulate on Murphy's Law: Murphy Was an Optimist)
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To: alfa6
Well only one more big project left, gotta put on the new roof.

I hated roofing work, always seemed top be the hpttest days of the year wehnever I did that work.

50 posted on 06/26/2004 9:10:29 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Aeronaut; alfa6; E.G.C.; Valin; Diva Betsy Ross; The Mayor; ...
For every insertion like this one that was detected and stopped, dozens of others safely slipped past NVA lines to strike a wide range of targets and collect vital information. The number of MACV-SOG missions conducted with Special Forces reconnaissance teams into Laos and Cambodia was 452 in 1969. It was the most sustained American campaign of raiding, sabotage and intelligence-gathering waged on foreign soil in US military history. MACV-SOG's teams earned a global reputation as one of the most combat effective deep-penetration forces ever raised.

From MAYSEY, LARRY WAYNE

~~~

LAOS : PANHANDLE U.S., Royal Laotian, and VNAF aircraft continued their attacks on traffic along the Ho Chi Minh Trail. During 1967, B-52s flew 1,718 sorties in this area, almost triple their 1966 record. The major targets were trucks which had to be hunted down and destroyed one-by-one. This seemed to be irrational thinking to many Americans flying these combat missions for these trucks could have been destroyed en masse before, during, or after their unloading from the ocean freighters that had hauled them to North Vietnam if bombing of Haiphong had been permitted.

Note: I will be happy to fax the four-page story The Day It Became the Longest War by the Marine aide present at the White House meeting in November of 1965 at which Lyndon Baines Johnson told the Joint Chiefs no they would not be allowed to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong harbor.

How many American deaths did Johnson thereby insure would occur? Did he thereby assure our eventual defeat--albeit by the fifth column of Cronkite, Fonda and Kerry.

~~~

From Young's Park

From CH/HH-3 Jolly Green Giant

UH-1B with side mounting M134 minigun and seven-tube 2.75 inch rocket launcher on M21 armament subsystem.

U.S. ARMY HELICOPTER WEAPON SYSTEMS

From NICHOLS, HUBERT CAMPBELL, JR.

~~~

From the Why Did We Bother Department:

1917 1st American Expeditionary Force arrive in France during WW I


51 posted on 06/26/2004 10:11:20 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
This one reminds me of the defense of Hill 861A at Khe Sanh by Marines of 1/26 (This piece is from memory. I will look for source material, could not find any on net). This happened just earlier than Captain Young's story.

The Marines on 861A were wired in, with trenches and dugouts, and under routine artillery fire. The NVA came through the wire in a battalion attack, maybe 600 strong, supported by direct fire and mortars. The Marine position was overrun. There were about 90 Marines there that night.

Well, I will tell you how it turned out. There were 35 Marines wounded too bad to walk. There were seventeen who could get around. The rest were dead. All senior non-coms were dead. All officers. The seventeen walking wounded were all privates.

The NVA? This is the good part. They left hundreds of bodies, blood trails everywhere, tons of weapons and equipment and nothing else on Hill 861A. Those seventeen men had cleared the base of NVA in a night fight in the trenches, knife, fist, and gun (no exaggeration) and the NVA had enough and left. Those still alive, of course.

Bad part. There were a lot of Medals of Honor earned that night, I mean dozens. None were awarded.

Hill 861A makes Roark's Drift look like a game of patty-cake.

Took years for the story to become known, too many witnesses died, too many with their exploits unsung. Remember all officers and senior non-coms were killed. Nobody to write the citations, and Khe Sanh was a busy and dangerous place.

52 posted on 06/26/2004 10:59:42 PM PDT by Iris7 ("Democracy" assumes every opinion is equally valid. No one believes this is true.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

This seemed to be irrational thinking to many Americans flying these combat missions for these trucks could have been destroyed en masse before, during, or after their unloading from the ocean freighters that had hauled them to North Vietnam if bombing of Haiphong had been permitted.

It should seem like insanity to anyone. Only a politician could come up with such a stupid plan.

Not only once but twice in the last century did we save france's butt for all the good it did.

53 posted on 06/26/2004 11:07:03 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Iris7

Thanks for the story on Hill 861A. I'd be interested in the sources you have. I've only read general histories on Khe Sahn.


54 posted on 06/26/2004 11:08:50 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: SAMWolf
As I recollect it is in du Hamel's Khe Sanh. Can't find my copy. Too many darn books in this house! Just am not a librarian by inclination!
55 posted on 06/26/2004 11:27:47 PM PDT by Iris7 ("Democracy" assumes every opinion is equally valid. No one believes this is true.)
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To: SAMWolf
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0891418105/qid=1 088318174/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8545694-8435208?v=glance&s=books

looks interesting. In case there is no link, it is The Hill Fights : The First Battle of Khe Sanh by EDWARD F. MURPHY

Read Hammel in my last, not du Hamel. Amazon does not list it.

56 posted on 06/26/2004 11:48:25 PM PDT by Iris7 ("Democracy" assumes every opinion is equally valid. No one believes this is true.)
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To: Iris7
Too many darn books in this house!

Thanks. I know that feeling.

57 posted on 06/26/2004 11:52:57 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Iris7
The Hill Fights : The First Battle of Khe Sanh by EDWARD F. MURPHY

Thanks Iris7

58 posted on 06/26/2004 11:53:36 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: PhilDragoo

BTTT!!!!!!!


59 posted on 06/27/2004 5:44:43 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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