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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - U.S. Self Propelled Artillery - Sep. 7th, 2004
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Posted on 09/06/2004 11:23:18 PM PDT by SAMWolf



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Self Propelled Artillery




The modern artillery piece is an incredibly lethal and (in the public eye) totally unappreciated piece of machinery. It lacks the popularity and accessibility of the personal firearm or the glamour of the main battle tank, but artillery is an absolutely crucial component of combined-arms tactics in ground warfare. Sci-fi fan discussions of ground warfare often assume that artillery is unnecessary in the presence of air support, but this is a totally unrealistic approach. While artillery doesn't produce pretty pictures of smart bombs hitting buildings for CNN, it does produce results, particularly against targets which are not easily seen from the air. Unlike aircraft, artillery is unaffected by cloud cover or similar visibility conditions; as long as the spotter can relay the target location, the act of aiming is performed through mathematical computation rather than visual target acquisition.

Furthermore, artillery isn't as easily fooled by cardboard decoys or other guerilla tricks, since its targeting is based on forward observers rather than detection from a distance. An artillery piece is also much less expensive than an aircraft, and a high explosive shell is much less expensive than a multi-million dollar guided missile. Artillery has an effective 100% duty cycle in the local combat area, unlike aircraft which cover large areas and must periodically return to base for refueling, maintenance, etc. Artillery is also much harder to detect than aircraft. Even a stealth aircraft is neither invisible or silent, while a camouflaged artillery piece can avoid detection until it opens fire, even in daytime.



Artillery pieces can range from small 52mm mortars to massive 8-inch self-propelled howitzers such as the M110A1, and they serve two purposes: close-range infantry support and long-range destruction of enemy units. Since artillery fires projectiles in an arcing trajectory, it has the absolutely priceless ability to hit targets without a line of sight. The importance of this capability simply cannot be overstated. An enemy tank column can be attacked by field artillery from behind geographical obstructions, and even if the attacking artillery is within range, the tanks still wouldn't be able to shoot back. In mountainous terrain, this capability is absolutely crucial; an army without artillery is a dead army. Of course, this leads to the obvious question of how artillery is aimed, and that job falls to fire control and the forward observer.

Forward observers operate independently, and their job is to locate the target. They can be anything from specially equipped vehicles to men on foot, and they are typically equipped with laser rangefinders and accurate positioning systems such as GPS systems, so that they can relay very accurate targeting data back to fire control. Fire control then performs mathematical computations to determine the ideal firing angle and charge in order to hit the target, factoring in such variables as wind, humidity, temperature, etc. Modern systems even have multiple simultaneous strike capability, which is accomplished by firing three times in rapid succession: once at very high elevation, once at medium elevation, and once at low elevation. All three shots are timed so that they hit the target at the same time, from three different angles. Against a hardened target, this can effectively triple the power of the weapon. Against soft targets like infantry, the approach is somewhat different; a single proximity-fused projectile is set to explode in the air above the target and shower it with shrapnel. Either way, whether the target is a bunker, a column of armoured vehicles, or a group of infantry, if the artillery can find it, the artillery can destroy it.



Unfortunately, the greatest advantage of the artillery piece is also its greatest weakness: the parabolic trajectory of its projectile. While it allows the artillery piece to hit its target at great distances without a line of sight, it also allows a well-equipped enemy to swiftly locate the artillery piece, simply by tracking the arc of its projectile and mathematically computing its source. Specialized systems have been designed for just this purpose: for example, the EMI Cymbeline radar system is a specialized mortar-locating radar system, and the US Army's Firefinder system can locate both mortars and field artillery pieces. This means that field artillery is as much of a target as a threat, and the best efforts at concealment are basically for naught when the gun is ordered to open fire. However, the enemy must be well equipped in order to exploit this weakness, thus further underscoring the necessity of artillery: an enemy without effective artillery of his own would be helpless to exploit this weakness, so you would be able to attack him with impunity.

Another point of vulnerability is the forward observer, since your artillery cannot target the enemy if your forward observers have been killed or captured. A possible alternative to the forward observer is the small aerial RPV (remote piloted vehicle), which is already in use for naval gunnery. However, the RPV is an expensive device, and forward observers are expected to be available on the battlefield by the time artillery is deployed.



Mobile warfare is hampered by immobile artillery support, so a full-scale conventional warfare scenario requires self-propelled artillery pieces. The doctrine of self-propelled gun deployment calls for large numbers of independent units to situate themselves around the countryside and move with the infantry and armour units. When a target is identified by the spotters, all of these artillery pieces will simultaneously open fire and shower it with shells, before pulling up stakes and changing positions in order to avoid the inevitable enemy artillery counter-attack (the slang term is "shoot and scoot". In this way, mobile artillery units achieve the dangerous combination of mobility, dispersion, and firepower concentration.

The M109 Series of 155mm SP Howitzer will be covered in next weeks Treadhead Tuesday Thread




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M7 HMC (Priest)


M7 Priest


The M7 used the hull and running gear of the M3 Medium Tank. It was called "Priest" because of the pulpit-like structure mounting the 50 cal. AA MG. The lower hull and running gear of the M3 Tank was used, with a raised open top superstructure added. Into this was mounted the 105mm howitzer with its split carriage. In an attempt to lower the height, the gun elevation was restricted to +35°, a handicap in mountainous terrain. This was not corrected until the Korean War when a full +65° elevation was obtained. This modification was designated the M7B2. The M7B1 designation was used for the model which utilized the Sherman M4 chassis. First deployed at El Alamein by the British who received large numbers under Lend Lease. The M7 was a mobile and reliable vehicle and was used until the end of the war. One negative was its weight. A total of 3,490 were built.

M7B1 HMC (Priest)


M7B1 Priest


This later version of the "Priest" had the 105mm howitzer mounted on a M4A3 Sherman chassis. Later versions which had a full elevation of +65° were designated M7B2 and were used in Korea. The M7B1 was standardized September 1943. This model could be fitted for deep wading. M7s had a 3-piece bolted nose, while most M7B1s and M7B2s had a cast one-piece nose. There was no gun overhand on this model. The howitzer had manual traverse and elevation and fired the same ammunition as the towed version.

M8 HMC


M8 HMC


A 75mm pack howitzer was mounted in an open-top turret with 360° traverse onto the turret ring of the M5 Light Tank. It was widely used in Europe and the Pacific. Used as a close support vehicle by Headquarters Co. attached to armored battalions. Had a poor capacity for ammo; therefore, it sometimes towed an ammo trailer. Crew protection was minimal. A total of 1,778 were built. Saw action to the end of WWII.

M12 GMC


M12 GMC


This was one of the earliest SP weapons of WWII. It mounted a 155mm gun on the M3 Tank chassis. The engine was moved forward to provide a working space at the rear of the hull. In this space, the WWI Model M1917 or M1918 155mm gun was mounted. The rear of the hull carried a heavy spade which was lowered to the ground before firing to absorb recoil. About 100 M12s were built and put into storage. In 1943, with the invasion of Europe being planned, 74 were refurbished and put into service. It proved to be a powerful and effective weapon providing support to fast moving armored columns. It could demolish German tanks and was greatly feared by the enemy. It could be used in a direct fire support role. When the 155mm rounds were fitted with concrete piercing fuses, they could penetrate up to 6 feet of concrete before exploding. The Artillery Board asked for more but this was not possible since the supply of WWI 155mm guns was exhausted.

M37 HMC


M37 HMC


The M7 was overweight. In order to develop a lighter, faster vehicle, the 105mm howitzer was placed on the M24 (Chaffee) chassis. This was the same howitzer used in the Sherman M4 (105). The general lines of the vehicle were similar to the M7 even to the "Pulpit" for the 50 cal. MG. The vehicle was shorter and wider allowing for more working space and ammo storage. Elevation was +45° allowing for maximum range. Standardized in 1945, replacing the M7. A total of 316 were built. Did not see combat in WWII.

M40 GMC (Long Tom)


M40 GMC


After WWII, a newly designed SP 155mm GMC was required to replace the M12. Two pilot models were made using the latest Sherman M4 chassis with HVSS suspension, a wide 23" track carrying the powerful M1A1 155mm gun on a pedestal mount. The gun was interchangeable with the 8" howitzer. A heavy spade was attached to the rear to absorb recoil. Although crew protection was minimal, it proved to be an excellent weapon. It was known by the nickname "Long Tom" and was standardized as the M40 in 1945. It arrived in Europe at the end of WWII and participated in the bombardment of Cologne. It remained in service after WWII and served in the U.S. artillery in Korea and by the French in Indochina. A total of 311 were built.

M41 HMC (Gorilla)


M41 HMC


In 1943, it was proposed to develop a SP 155mm howitzer. The chassis of the M24 Light Tank was used as part of the "combat team" approach adopted in 1944. The chassis was already developed for the M19 SP 40mm guns, the M41 howitzer 155mm and the M37 howitzer 105mm. The howitzer was placed on a pedestal in the rear surrounded by a thin shield. A heavy recoil spade was added to the rear. It was a good design, agile and simple to operate but offered little protection to the crew from the elements or enemy fire. A total of about 85 were built. It saw service in Korea.

M43 8" HMC


M43 8" HMC


The M1 155mm gun (towed) shared its carriage with the 8" howitzer. The barrels could be changed quite easily. Therefore, when the M40 SP 155mm gun was developed, it was logical to mount an 8" howitzer on the same carriage. In 1945, a design was standardized as the M43. Only 48 were built of which 24 were conversions of the T83's 155mm. The components of the M4 tank were used with HVSS suspension. There was a shield for the gun, but no cover was provided for the crew. They remained in service until the 1950s, being used in Korea.

T-92 240mm SP Howitzer & T-93 8" GMC


T-92 240mm SP Howitzer


These were the heaviest SP guns built in the U.S. The chassis for these monsters was from the M26E3 Pershing Heavy Tank. The 240mm MI howitzer was still in inventory as a towed weapon. Despite its large size and weight, the 240mm howitzer was adaptable to a motorized mount.


T-93 8" GMC


The same chassis was used for either the 8" gun (T-93) or the 240mm M1 howitzer (T92)which were interchangeable. The 240mm howitzer fired a 360 lb projectile 14 miles. All loading was done by manpower with a rate of I round/3 minutes. Ammunition was separate loading. A hydro pneumatic recoil and equilibrator system softened the recoil. An immense cable operated rear spade was mounted to help absorb recoil shock. No ammo was carried aboard. It relied on a T31 cargo carrier to do the job. A 23" wide track was used and 7 road wheels were suspended by torsion bars. The objective was to provide mobile heavy artillery for the invasion of Japan. With the end of the war, a contract for 115 T-92s and 58 T-93s was cancelled and only 5 T-92s and 2 T-93s were built by Chrysler.
1 posted on 09/06/2004 11:23:21 PM PDT by SAMWolf
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M44 SP 155mm Howitzer


M44 SP 155mm Howitzer


This SP howitzer replaced the M41 155mm SP howitzer. It had all welded construction. Transmission is a GM Allison cross drive. Development began in concert with the development of the M41 Walker Bulldog Tank. A major change placed the rear track idler wheel on the ground to provide support against shock. A rear spade was added. Engine and transmission were moved up front and a fighting compartment was erected on the rear hull with an open roof and a bow and tarp removable cover. The rear was closed by swinging cartridge racks which acted as doors and a working platform. It can fire an HE projectile weighing 43.88kg to a distance of 14,600 meters with an M4A1 charge. Rate of fire is about 1 round/minute. The later variant, M44A1, used a fuel injected engine. A total of 608 were built. Last of SP Artillery with an open top compartment.

M52 105mm SP Light Howitzer


M52 105mm SP Light Howitzer


The M7 and M37 were both open topped vehicles and in the "atomic age". It was decided the vehicles should have protection against nuclear blast. Work began in 1948. The first model was equipped with the 105mm howitzer. The components of the M41 Light Tank were used. The rear track idler was placed on the ground to better resist firing shock, since no recoil spade was used. The engine and transmission were moved to the front of the hull. The rear of the hull supported a large turret which could transverse 60 degrees either side of center. Elevation and traverse were manual. The crew and driver were in the turret. Hatches were provided in the roof. A total of 684 were built. Also in service with Belgium, Greece, Japan and Jordan.

M53 (T-97) 155mm SP Gun


M53 (T-97) 155mm SP Gun


"If it's going to be better, it must be bigger " — appeared to be the concept behind the new generation of Army large bore weapons in the 1950s. The T-97 standardized as the M53 in 1952 was one of the largest and heaviest vehicles fielded in the post-war period. Weighing almost 100,0001bs. combat loaded, it was over 32 feet long. An 8" howitzer version was prepared on the same chassis which shared many components with the M48 Medium Tank. The last road wheel served as a trailing idler. Torsion bar suspension was used. The driver sat in the left front of the fighting compartment while the commander's hatch and 0.50"MG were on the right side. A GM AIlison cross drive transmission was used. Hydraulic power moved the gun in elevation and the entire cab in azimuth + or -30 degrees of center. There were many changes throughout the production span of 1952 until 1953.

M55 8" SP Howitzer


M55 8" SP Howitzer


This 8" howitzer shared components and mount with the M53 155mm gun. It was more reliable than the M55 because of less stress on firing. Hence, all M53s were converted to M55 8" howitzers by rebarrelling. This was completed by 1960. This was a scaled up M52, another all-protected design. The gun crew and driver were carried in a massive turret capable of swinging plus & minus 30° of center. A massive rear recoil spade was fitted; and power operation of the gun, ramming and shell handling were provided. Ammunition is separate loading. It can fire a HE shell to a range of 16,916 meters.

M107 175mm Self-Propelled Gun
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M110 8-inch Self-Propelled Howitzer



M107 175mm Self-Propelled Gun


These weapons were mounted on the same gun carriage but used different tubes. The M-107 175mm Gun fired a 174-pound projectile out to almost 33 kilometers (32,700-meters) and proved of great value in providing an umbrella of protection over a wide area. The M107 175mm self-propelled Gun was largely deployed in NATO areas and its ammunition was commonly used throughout NATO forces. Designed to be part of a common family of weapons utilising the same chassis components, the M107 and M110 were essentially the same vehicle mounting different barrels. These guns fired an HE shell weighing 66.6 kilograms at a muzzle velocity of 914 meters per second. The M107 was used extensively in Vietnam to provide long range firesupport (being able to fire more than 30 km) and took part in numerous cross-DMZ duels with NVA guns. Though withdrawn from American service, vehicles of this type remain in service in the militaries of some other countries.


M110 8-inch Self-Propelled Howitzer


The M-110 8-inch Howitzer fired a 200-pound projectile out to almost 17 kilometers (16,800-meters) and was the most accurate weapon in the field artillery.

Since the weapons had an identical gun carriage it was common practice to install the tubes best suited to the current tactical mission, so that one day a battery may be all 175mm Guns and a few days later it may be half 175mm and half 8-inch.

M108 105mm Self-Propelled Howitzer


M108 105mm Self-Propelled Howitzer


The M108 105mm Self-Propelled Howitzer was largely deployed in NATO areas and its ammunition was commonly used throughout NATO forces. Vehicles of this type remain in service in the militaries of some other countries, although it has been withdrawn from service in the US military. The M108 was being phased out of the US Army at the time of Vietnam because its gun was considered too light for battlefield support and 155mm calibre had been standardised in NATO.

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2 posted on 09/06/2004 11:28:38 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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'God fights on the side with the best artillery.'

Napoleon Bonaparte

'I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know, the artillery did.'

Gen George S. Patton

'"Our artillery . . . The Germans feared it almost more than anything we had."'

Ernie Pyle
"Brave Men", 1944

'Artillery is the god of war. '

Stalin


3 posted on 09/06/2004 11:29:07 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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John Kerry told the world we were war criminals who raped, tortured and murdered in Vietnam. Now, thirty-three years later, we will tell America the truth.

Join us at the rally we call:

What: A peaceful remembrance of those with whom we served in Vietnam - those who lived and those who died.
We will tell the story of their virtues and how that contrasts with the lies told by John Kerry.

When: Sunday, Sept. 12, 2004 @ 2:00 PM - 4:00 PM EDT

Where: The West Front of the U.S. Capitol Building, Washington, DC

All Vietnam veterans and their families and supporters are asked to attend. Other veterans are invited as honored guests. This will be a peaceful event--no shouting or contact with others with different opinions. We fought for their rights then, and we respect their rights now. This is NOT a Republican or a pro-Bush rally. Democrats, Republicans and independents alike are warmly invited.

Our gathering is to remember those with whom we served, thereby giving the lie to John Kerry's smear against a generation of fine young men. B.G. "Jug" Burkett, author of "Stolen Valor," will be one of our speakers. Jug has debunked countless impostors who falsely claimed to be Vietnam veterans or who falsely claimed awards for heroism. Jug recommends that we refrain from dragging fatigues out of mothballs. Dress like America, like you do every day. Dress code: business casual, nice slacks, and shirt and shoes. No uniform remnants, please. Unit hats OK.

Selected members will wear badges identifying them as authorized to speak to the media about our event. Others who speak to the media will speak only for themselves.

The program will be controlled in an attempt to stay on-message. Speakers are encouraged not to engage in speculative criticism of John Kerry but (1) to stick to known and undisputed facts about John Kerry’s lies while (2) reminding America of the true honor and courage of our brothers in battle in Vietnam.

Send this announcement to 10 or more of your brothers! Bring them by car, bus, train or plane! Make this event one of pride in America, an event you would be proud to have your mother or your children attend.

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4 posted on 09/06/2004 11:29:48 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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6 posted on 09/06/2004 11:39:26 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Good morning, snippy. Hope you had a good labor day. Very interesting article. Ft. Sill down in Lawton, Oklahoma has a large field artillery component, much of it self-propelled, I believe. My Senator James Inhofe has been working to get the next generation of self-propelled artillery funded last I heard, a weapons system called The Crusader, I think. But the Army reportedly doesn't want it, so I don't what the status of that is now.
I was able to visit with my Dad today for the first time about scanning in and posting some of my grandfather's pictures from the Pacific Theater during WW II. He was supportive of that, and said I could scan in and post any of them I wanted to. I'm heading over to my parent's house this coming Saturday so I can go through them and select some that might be of interest to the folks here.
There are literally hundreds, and I'll need to winnow the selection down to the most interesting ones. My dad mentioned that some of the photos showing the aftermath of the battle at Shaggy Ridge might be of particular interest, and I know that there are several pics of various downed Japanese aircraft, some taken from the air I believe, that were the victims of the 49th Fighter Group's brave pilots. Also pics of battle aftermath in New Guinea, various islands, and Manila.
Any suggestions or requests for a particular place or battle area that my grandfather might have gotten a picture of? If there are any, I'll look for it in the collection. Thanks - AJC
7 posted on 09/07/2004 12:03:18 AM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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Good morning AJC. Be sure and tell your dad thanks when you see him next.

I'm sure any pictures you choose will be just fine. We'd love for you to share any you'd like.

We've covered New Guinea and the Papua Campaign but not Shaggy Ridge specifically. Looks like we'll have to put it on our list of threads to do. :-)


8 posted on 09/07/2004 12:25:27 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Where: The West Front of the U.S. Capitol Building, Washington, DC

Is that the same as upper senate park that I saw in the Vietnam Veterans for Truth website? This is the link:

Kerry Lied

I expect to be going, and I need to figure out parking arrangements. I'll be leaving from NYC with friends hopefully at 0730.

9 posted on 09/07/2004 12:37:48 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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The Crusader self-propelled howitzer was being developed for the US Army as a replacement for the Paladin and the US Army requirement was expected to be for over 800 vehicles. In May 2002, the Crusader program was officially terminated by the Department of Defense because it was not considered sufficiently mobile or precise for the evolving security needs of the 21st century. In August 2002, United Defense received the formal termination which ends all further work on the program. United Defense has been awarded a contract to use technologies developed for the Crusader program to produce a lighter and more deployable Objective Force Cannon or Non-Line-of-Sight (NLOS) cannon. "Objective Force" is the working title for the US Army's long-term future combat force. The NLOS cannon is planned to be fielded in 2009.

Live firing trials of the Crusader began in February 2000 at the Yuma Proving Grounds in Arizona, and in November 2000 a firing rate of 10.4 rounds per minute was achieved. The system successfully completed its Preliminary Design Review (PDR) in November 2001. The first production versions were due in 2006 and it was planned to enter service in 2008. The Crusader programme was being carried out by Team Crusader, led by United Defense.

The Crusader artillery system was intended to provide enhanced survivability, lethality and mobility and be more easily deployable and sustainable than current systems. A battery of six Crusaders can deliver 15t of ammunition in less than 5mins.

United Defense reduced the weight and size of the Crusader vehicle from 60t to 38t to 41t allowing two vehicles rather than one to be transported on a C-5 or C-17 aircraft. This allowed the howitzer to be more easily available for fire support missions.

The Crusader consists of two vehicles, the XM2001 155mm self-propelled howitzer and the XM2002 armoured re-supply vehicle. The high level of automation means that the howitzer and re-supply vehicle each require only three men to operate it. The gunners can control the entire loading and firing process from the safety of the computerised cockpit under armour and nuclear biological and chemical warfare protection. In addition to the current tracked system, the Crusader Armoured Re-supply Vehicle is being offered in a wheeled variant.


10 posted on 09/07/2004 12:38:50 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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I was able to visit with my Dad today for the first time about scanning in and posting some of my grandfather's pictures from the Pacific Theater during WW II. He was supportive of that, and said I could scan in and post any of them I wanted to.

Glad to hear that you'll be able to scan and save you grandfather's pictures. The Papua/New Guinea Campaign isn't all that well known to a lot of people. Maybe you grandfather's pictures will get some people interested in learning more.

11 posted on 09/07/2004 12:43:06 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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Where: The West Front of the U.S. Capitol Building, Washington, DC Is that the same as upper senate park that I saw in the Vietnam Veterans for Truth website?

Where: Upper Senate Park, Washington, D.C. It is easy to get to, shady and pretty, with a great view of the Capitol dome in back of the speaker's platform. THIS IS A NEW LOCATION AS OF 7/17/04

The location on the KERRYLIED website is corret. Thanks for asking the question, we'll update our Announcement post.

12 posted on 09/07/2004 12:47:02 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: SAMWolf
Good morning, Sam. Thanks for the info about the Crusader program. I remember the story was BIG NEWS around here because mobile artillery is so important to the mission of Fort Sill; it looks like the program is going ahead in a modified form, which is undoubtedly a good thing. The pictures you posted look very impressive! Of course, as a former Air Force type, I've tended to be more of a fan of "airborne" artillery like the A-10, F-16, and AC-130 "Spectre" Gunship... ;-)
In truth, though, it seems to me that the role of ground artillery will always be an important part of any battlefield mix for the foreseeable future. Especially mobile artillery.
13 posted on 09/07/2004 2:16:20 AM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.


14 posted on 09/07/2004 2:29:04 AM PDT by Aeronaut (If John Kerry is going to talk about what he likes in a woman, shouldn't it be in Fortune or Money?)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.


15 posted on 09/07/2004 3:03:22 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: SAMWolf; Cannoneer No. 4; Valin; Matthew James

Good morning.

If you all remember, I have mentioned my father-in-law here on Fr several times. He is a retired LTC, retiring in 1961. His first unit was with horse drawn artillery in the Mississippi National Guard. When he was commissioned, he was FA, but later moved to tank destroyers and then on to Armor. He attended one of the first courses in using tanks as artillery. That is one of his favorite memories and he tells the story often. I will print some of the comments and pictures from this thread and show them to him. He loves to read and see articles and information such as this.

Thanks.


16 posted on 09/07/2004 3:17:36 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All

September 7, 2004

Mirror Image

Read: 2 Corinthians 3:7-18

We all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image. —2 Corinthians 3:18

Bible In One Year: Proverbs 1-2; 1 Corinthians 16


Years ago, an elderly businessman asked me, "What is your biggest problem?"

I pondered this for a while before replying: "When I look in the mirror every morning, I see my biggest problem staring at me."

Today's Scripture reading teaches me that Christians are to be like mirrors. Paul said that our faces are not to be veiled. This is logical. No one installs a mirror and then places a curtain over it. A covered mirror will not fulfill the purpose of reflecting the objects before it.

In 2 Corinthians 3:18, we are described as "beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord." When we behold His glory, we will be "transformed into the same image"—that is, the likeness of Christ.

We may wonder why we are still so far from being like Christ in our thinking and behavior. Perhaps this question will help: "Whose life do we mirror?"

God's people must reflect God's glory. To do that we must make it our habit to behold His glory. We must read and meditate on His Word. We must pray and trust God's Holy Spirit to work in our hearts. Only then can we obey His commands and depend on His promises.

Whose glory are you reflecting today? —Albert Lee

Lord, may our walk and service be
An image bright of things above,
As we reflect the unity
Of Father, Son, and Spirit's love. —Anon.

The face is a mirror of the heart—do people see Jesus in yours?

17 posted on 09/07/2004 5:06:15 AM PDT by The Mayor (Daily work done for God takes on eternal value.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning


18 posted on 09/07/2004 5:18:22 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Arty on the move bump for Treadhead Tuesday.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


19 posted on 09/07/2004 5:34:54 AM PDT by alfa6 (120 folders done, 2 to go thru...but the last one is a dooozy)
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To: snippy_about_it

Present!


20 posted on 09/07/2004 5:54:54 AM PDT by manna
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To: SAMWolf

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on September 07:
1533 Queen Elizabeth I England, (1558-1603) daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn
1829 August Kekule von Stradonitz discovered structure of benzene ring
1829 Ferdinand Vandiveer Hayden US, geologist (Geograph Survey 1859-86)
1860 Grandma (Anna Maria) Moses NY, primitive painter (Old Oaken Bucket)
1900 "Janet" Taylor Caldwell England, novelist (Melissa)
1908 Dr Michael E DeBakey artificial heart pioneer
1908 Paul Brown Norwalk Ohio, NFL hall of famer (Browns, Bengals)
1909 Elia Kazan Canstaninople Turkey, director (Streetcar Named Desire)
1913 Anthony Quayle England, actor (Anne of 1000 Days, Lawrence of Arabia)
1914 James Van Allen discovered Van Allen radiation belts
1922 Art Ferrante pianist (Ferrante & Tachere-Exodus)
1923 Peter Lawford London England, actor (Mrs Miniver, The Thin Man)
1924 Daniel Inouye (Sen-D-Hi), chair of Iran-Contra hearings
1924 Leonard Rosenman Bkln NY, TV composer (Marcus Welby MD)
1930 Sonny Rollins NYC, jazz saxophonist (Blue Room)
1934 Bill Giles Rochester NY, baseball owner (Phila Phillies)
1936 Buddy Holly singer (Peggy Sue, That'll Be the Day)
1939 S David Griggs Portland Oregon, astronaut (STS 51D, STS 33)
1942 Garrison Keillor humorist(or so it's said) (Praire Home Companion)
1942 Richard Roundtree actor (Shaft, Earthquake)
1949 Gloria Gaynor Newark NJ, disco singer (I Will Survive)
1950 Peggy Noonan author (What I Saw at the Revolution)
1954 Corbin Bernsen North Hollywood Calif, actor (Arnie Becker-LA Law)
1957 Melvin Edward Mays one of FBI's most wanted
1985 Tatia Jayne Starkey Ringo's 1st grandchild




Deaths which occurred on September 07:
1151 Geoffrey Plantagenet conquered Normandy, dies at 38
1909 Eugene Lefebvre dies test piloting a Wright A aircraft
1966 Al Kelly double talk comedian (Ernie Kovacs Show), dies at 67
1969 Everett McKinley Dirksen ("The Wizard of Ooze")(Sen-IL.R), dies at 73
1971 Spring Byington actress (Lily Ruskin-December Bride), dies at 84
1978 Keith Moon, rock drummer (Who), dies of drug OD at 31


Reported: MISSING in ACTION
( Expanded with full Bios, history, & MIA report )

HIP HIP HOORAY!!! No one missing in action Today!!!!

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
3114 BC Presumed origin of Mayan "long count" calendar system
0070 Roman army under Titus occupies & plunders Jerusalem

1571 At the Battle of Lepanto in the Mediterranean Sea, the Christian galley fleet destroys the Turkish galley fleet.

1630 The town of Trimontaine, in Massachusetts, is renamed Boston, and becomes the state capital.
1664 Peter Stuyvesant surrenders New Amsterdam to English fleet
1714 Treaty of Baden-French retain Alsace, Austria gets right bank of Rhine
1776 American submersible craft Turtle attacks British Admiral Richard Howe's flagship Eagle in the first use of a submarine in warfare.
1800 Zion AME Church dedicated (NYC)
1813 "Uncle Sam" 1st used to refer to US (Troy Post of NY)
1822 Brazil declares independence from Portugal (National Day)
1825 The Marquis de Lafayette, the French hero of the American Revolution, bade farewell to President John Quincy Adams at the White House.
1864 Union General Phil Sheridan's troops skirmish with the Confederates under Jubal Early outside Winchester, Virginia
1876 The James-Younger gang botches an attempt to rob the First National Bank of Northfield, Minnesota.
1880 Geo Ligowsky patents device to throw clay pigeons for trapshooters
1889 Start of Sherlock Holmes "Adventure of The Engineer's Thumb" (BG)
1892 James J Corbett kayos John L Sullivan in round 21 at New Orleans
1896 1st closed-circuit auto race, at Cranston, RI
1896 A. H. Whiting won 1st closed-circuit auto race held
1903 Federation of American Motorcyclists organized in NY
1914 New York Post Office Building opens to the public
1916 Workmen's Compensation Act passed by Congress
1923 Boston Red Sox Howard Ehmke no-hits Phila A's, 4-0
1927 Philo Farnsworth demonstrates 1st use of TV in SF
1934 Luxury liner "Morro Castle" burns off NJ, killing 134
1936 Boulder Dam (now Hoover Dam) begins operation
1940 German Air Force blitz London for 1st of 57 consecutive nights
1948 1st use of synthetic rubber in asphaltic concrete, Akron Oh
1952 Outfielder Don Grate throws a baseball a record 434'1" (Tenn)
1954 Integration begins in Wash DC & Balt MD public schools
1956 Bell X-2 sets Unofficial manned aircraft altitude record 126,000'+
1963 1st US TV appearance of the Beatles (Big Night Out-ABC)
1963 Pro Football Hall of Fame dedicated in Canton Ohio
1970 Donald Boyles sets record for highest paracute jump from a bridge, by leaping off of the 1,053' Royal George Bridge in Colorado
1976 US courts find George Harrison guilty of plagarism (He's So Fine)
1977 Convicted Watergate conspirator G. Gordon Liddy was released from prison after more than four years.
1978 1st game of the Boston Massacre, Yanks beat Red Sox 15-3
1979 The Entertainment and Sports Programming Network (ESPN) made its cable television debut.
1980 32nd Emmy Awards shown despite boycott
1980 Earnest Gray becomes 2nd NY Giant to score 4 TDs (vs St Louis)
1981 Judge Wapner & the People's Court premier on TV
1983 Drury Gallagher sets fastest swim around Manhattan (6h41m35s)
1986 Desmond Tutu installed to lead south African Anglican Church
1988 Guy Lafleur, Tony Esposito & Brad Park inducted in NHL Hall of Fame
1988 Security & Exchange Comm accuses Drexel of violating security laws
1991 Monica Seles wins the US Open
1993 President Clinton and VP Gore announced a broad program to streamline the government.(ROTFLMAO)
1995 Sen Bob Packwoord (R-Ore) resigns rather than face expulsion.
2000 A jury in Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, awarded $6.3 million to a woman and her son who were attacked by Aryan Nations guards outside the white supremacist group's north Idaho headquarters.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Brazil : Independence Day (1822)
US : National Grandparents' Day (Sunday)
Wall-to-Wall Sports Television Day
Kiss a Bald Head Week Begins
National Bourbon Month


Religious Observances
Feast of St. Regina, virgin and martyr.


Religious History
1724 The first American congregation of Dunkards (German Baptists) gathered in Philadelphia, PA.
1785 The Sunday School Society was formed in London, under the leadership of Robert Raikes. It provided weekly Christian tutoring for the poor. Eventually 3,730 schools were formed, and their success ultimately inspired the founding in 1824 of the American Sunday School Union.
1807 Protestant Christianity first came to China when English missionary Robert Morrison, 25, arrived on this date. (Catholic missions had first penetrated China in the 16th century with the arrival of Jesuit Matteo Ricci in 1582.)
1845 St. Louis, Missouri, became the site of the first Hebrew synagogue to be built in the Mississippi Valley.
1958 The first cathedral of the Syrian Orthodox Church in the U.S. and Canada was dedicated in Hackensack, NJ. The American archdiocese for this branch of Orthodoxy was created the previous year by Syrian Orthodox Patriarch Ignatius Yacoub III.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"One man tells a falsehood, a hundred repeat it as true."


Translating Southern United States Slang to English...
BAHS - noun. A supervisor.

Usage: "If you don't stop reading these Southern words and git back to work, your bahs is gonna far you!"


Quotes" About Cats...
The real measure of a day's heat is the length of a sleeping cat.


Politically Correct Terms For Males...
He will never : GROW BALD
He will become : FOREHEAD ENHANCED


Bumper Stickers...
Consciousness-the annoying time between naps


21 posted on 09/07/2004 6:16:00 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise
Good morning ladies.
CHATHAM, Mass. (Dec. 31, 2001) -- Carrying on a tradition that began in 1991, nearly 1,000 residents of Chatham gathered here today for their annual town picture at Chatham light on the grounds of Coast Guard Station Chatham. This year, in celebration of the lighthouse's 125th anniversary, the towns people requested the National Flag Truck make an appearance with three of its five 90' X 45' American flags. The National Flag Truck is based in Boston at the Boston national historical park, "The FreedomTrail," and is on call 24 hours a day, 300 days a year. Each year, the flags are flown at more than 40 official government ceremonies. USCG photo by PA3 Amy Thomas
22 posted on 09/07/2004 6:37:13 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (I'm a TreadHead, he's a TreadHead, wouldn't you like to be a TreadHead too?)
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To: SAMWolf; Professional Engineer; snippy_about_it; PhilDragoo; Matthew Paul; Samwise; All

Good morning everyone!

23 posted on 09/07/2004 6:41:26 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: 1stFreedom; Cannoneer No. 4; Redleg Duke; SAMWolf; archy; I got the rope; 300winmag; ...

FAMPL treadhead history ping.
SP howitzers.


24 posted on 09/07/2004 6:45:55 AM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: Valin

On this day...

1991 Professional Engineer becomes a civilian again at midnight after 7 years, 10 months, 7 days of active duty.(finished Valin's Commie Whipping)


25 posted on 09/07/2004 6:48:32 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (I'm a TreadHead, he's a TreadHead, wouldn't you like to be a TreadHead too?)
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To: A Jovial Cad
The A-10, siiiiiigh!


26 posted on 09/07/2004 6:49:43 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: Aeronaut

Morning Aeronaut.


27 posted on 09/07/2004 6:50:14 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: E.G.C.

Morning E.G.C.

Thanks for your daily bump of yesterday's thread.


28 posted on 09/07/2004 6:50:49 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: SLB

I thank your Father-in-law for his service. Sounds like he had quite a career. Hope we can bring back some good memories


29 posted on 09/07/2004 6:58:08 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: The Mayor
Morning Mayor

When I look in the mirror every morning, I see my biggest problem staring at me."

Boy Ain't that the truth!

30 posted on 09/07/2004 6:59:04 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: GailA

Morning GailA. How's the graphics recovery going?


31 posted on 09/07/2004 6:59:32 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: alfa6

Morning alfa6.

Scoot and Shoot :-)


32 posted on 09/07/2004 7:00:54 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: manna
Hi Manna!


33 posted on 09/07/2004 7:01:26 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: SAMWolf

Yes it is..


34 posted on 09/07/2004 7:04:45 AM PDT by The Mayor ("Jesus, I don't have anything to give you today, but just me. I give you me!")
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To: Valin
1776 American submersible craft Turtle attacks British Admiral Richard Howe's flagship Eagle in the first use of a submarine in warfare.

The American Turtle was successfully launched in the dark of night on September 6/7, 1776 against the British flagship, HMS Eagle, a 64 gun frigate moored in New York harbor off of the island now occupied by the Statue of Liberty. The Turtle had undergone extensive test trials in the safe colonial waters of the Connecticut River off Old Saybrook, Ct., piloted by the inventor's brother Ezra Bushnell. Unfortunately, on the eve of the submarine's first combat mission, Ezra Bushnell died.

With a freshly recruited, but less practiced pilot, Ezra Lee of Old Lyme, Ct., the American Turtle made its way underwater to the rudder of the Eagle's hull. Unfortunately, Lee first struck metal rather than wood with the screw intended to attach the bomb to the enemy's hull. After a second failed attempt, Lee propelled the American Turtle away, only to be observed and chased. The bomb was released into the water and resulted in a frightening explosion. While the American Turtle failed to destroy its target, the British recognized the threat and moved the fleet. Weather problems, and other operating difficulties prevented a successful attack by the submarine before it was scuttled by the British while being transported.

35 posted on 09/07/2004 7:15:12 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: Professional Engineer

Morning PE. Great Flag-O-Gram today.

I've never heard of The National Flag Truck.


36 posted on 09/07/2004 7:16:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: bentfeather

Good Morning Feather.

I see you're all dressed up in armor this morning.:-)


37 posted on 09/07/2004 7:17:23 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: Darksheare
Morning Darksheare


38 posted on 09/07/2004 7:20:27 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: Professional Engineer

Thanks for serving PE. It's appreciated.


39 posted on 09/07/2004 7:21:33 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: SAMWolf

Armour yes, a lady has to be prepared!!! LoL


40 posted on 09/07/2004 7:51:51 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Professional Engineer

Did you get bailed out of jail to finish your outprocessing like your humble servant?

Congrats on becoming a PCS
Permeant
Civilian
Status


41 posted on 09/07/2004 8:05:39 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: Aeronaut

Good morning Aeronaut.


42 posted on 09/07/2004 8:06:42 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: manna

Good morning manna.


43 posted on 09/07/2004 8:08:29 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
FOREHEAD ENHANCED

LOL.

44 posted on 09/07/2004 8:09:20 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer
I LIKE IT! I LIKE IT ALOT!
45 posted on 09/07/2004 8:09:21 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: Professional Engineer
annual town picture

What a neat idea. Thanks PE.

46 posted on 09/07/2004 8:10:53 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All
Good morning, Foxhole! Falling in after a great holiday :)

And I get to read about heavily armed recreational vehicles this morning too! Thanks for the thread and I hope this finds everyone well.

47 posted on 09/07/2004 8:11:17 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("If I had a hammer, I'd use it on Peter, Paul and Mary." - Howard Rosenberg)
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To: The Mayor

Good morning Mayor.


48 posted on 09/07/2004 8:14:37 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Mornin' Sam, Snippy.
Falling in for muster.
Interesting presentation as usual. You again fail to disappoint. Tanks :)
49 posted on 09/07/2004 8:15:15 AM PDT by Diver Dave (Stay Prayed Up)
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To: GailA

Morning Gail.


50 posted on 09/07/2004 8:17:12 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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