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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Hurricanes vs Spitfires (1936-1945) - Jan.27th, 2005
Aviation History. | November 1994 | David Alan Johnson

Posted on 01/26/2005 9:31:54 PM PST by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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for all those serving their country at this time.


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Friendly Rivals: Hurricanes and Spitfires


Although the relative merits of the two World War II aircraft continue to be debated, the dissimilar stablemates complemented one another in combat and together saved a country.



Which is better, the Supermarine Spitfire or the Hawker Hurricane? That question has been asked by pilots, historians and air enthusiasts since 1940. It does not have a definitive answer, however, each aircraft had its strong points and its disadvantages. Although both aircraft played a decisive role in the Battle of Britain they could not have been more different from one another. Each was created under a completely different set of circumstances and came from totally different backgrounds and antecedents. The Spitfire owed its famous graceful lines and speed to its early ancestors, evolving as a fighter from a series of extremely successful racing seaplanes that were designed in the 1920s--and 1930s. All of those racers were built by the firm of Supermarine Ltd. and were designed by one man--Reginald J. Mitchell. The innovative Mitchell has been called one of the most brilliant designers Britain has ever produced. His designs really were ahead of their time. In 1925, when he began building racing airplanes, streamlining was considered more a theoretical exercise than an engineering possibility. But Mitchell made engineering theories more than just possibilities; he turned them into brilliant successes.


Reginald J. Mitchell


Mitchell's efforts at streamlining produced aircraft that were not only graceful but also among the fastest in the world. In 1927, his S.5 racer won the Schneider Trophy with a speed of 281.65 mph. Four years later, his elegant S.6B captured the Schneider Trophy outright for Britain with a speed of 340.08. Later, on September 29, 1931, his S.6B, fitted with a special "Sprint" engine with its horsepower upgraded to 2,550, pushed the world speed record to 407.5 mph.


Supermarine S.5


During that time, Britain's Air Ministry began looking for a replacement for the Royal Air Force's (RAF) standard fighters, the Bristol Bulldog and Gloster Gladiator, both of which were biplanes. Knowing he had the experience and the reputation he acquired by designing his Schneider Trophy winners going for him, Mitchell decided to make a bid for the Air Ministry's contract to design this new fighter. The Supermarine firm had been taken over by the industrial giant Vickers by this time; the new corporation was known as Supermarine Aviation Works (Vickers) Ltd.


Supermarine F.7/30


The first prototype of the aircraft that would become known as the Spitfire was an odd-looking affair. Officially designated the F.7/30, it was a gull-winged monoplane with an open cockpit and spatted undercarriage. It looked more like a German Junkers Ju-87 Stuka dive bomber than the Battle of Britain fighter. Mitchell was not satisfied with his F.7/30 for a number of reasons. For one thing, it was underpowered--its Rolls-Royce Goshawk II engine gave it a speed of only 238 mph. So he began to experiment. He added a larger engine, enclosed the cockpit, and gave his new fighter a retractable undercarriage with smaller, thinner wings. These thin, elliptically shaped wings would become the fighter's most recognizable feature. Mitchell continued to modify his design in 1933 and 1934. The larger engine he had in mind was supplied by Rolls-Royce--a new, 12-cylinder, liquid-cooled power plant called simply the PV-12. Rolls-Royce would rename this engine the Merlin--a name that would become legend among aircraft power plants. The new fighter, now designated the F.10/35, developed into a low-wing interceptor with retractable undercarriage, flaps, enclosed cockpit, and oxygen for the pilot. The Merlin engine promised to give it all the speed Mitchell wanted and the Air Ministry would require. For armament, he gave his fighter four wing-mounted .303-caliber machine guns. Air Vice Marshal Hugh "Stuffy" Dowding, Air Member for Supply and Research, had been in charge of the RAF's technical development since 1930. He was favorably impressed by Mitchell's F.10/35 except for one item-he wanted eight machine guns. Recent tests had shown that the minimum firepower needed to shoot down an enemy bomber was six or, preferably, eight guns, each capable of firing 1,000 rounds per minute. With that armament, it was estimated that a pilot would need only two seconds to destroy an enemy bomber in the air-the time during which a fighter pilot would be able to keep the enemy in his sights, it was thought.



Dowding had the future in mind. He knew that the German Luftwaffe was expanding and that Adolf Hitler's ambition would probably lead to an armed conflict between Britain and Germany. His farsightedness would pay off eight years later, in 1940, when he was chief of RAF Fighter Command.



Because of his aircraft's elliptical wings, Mitchell was able to fit four Browning .303 caliber machine guns into each wing without increasing drag or radically altering the design. With that armament, along with the RollsRoyce Merlin engine and the other features he had designed, Mitchell knew that his fighter would be a match for any aircraft the Luftwaffe might produce. Now all he had to do was convince the Air Ministry.



Mitchell's fighter first took to the air on March 5, 1936. It had been given a name-the Spitfire-by Vickers and made official by the Air Ministry. (Mitchell himself did not like the name very much; he called it "a bloody silly name.") This Spitfire was flown by J. "Mutt" Summers, chief test pilot for Vickers and Supermarine, out of the Eastleigh airport in Hampshire. It was unarmed and fitted with a fixed-pitch wooden propeller. After landing from his test flight, Summers told his ground crew, "I don't want anything touched."

Although some alterations would be made, he realized from just one flight that the Spitfire was an outstanding fighter.



Following some persuasive arguments from Air Vice Marshal Dowding, the Air Ministry agreed with Summers' assessment. With a maximum speed of 342 mph, the plane was classed as the fastest military aircraft in the world. Less than three months after Summers' test flight, on June 3, 1936, a contract was placed with Supermarine for 300 Spitfires. Six hundred more were ordered the next year. By the time Britain went to war with Germany on September 3, 1939, the war that Air Vice Marshal Dowding had foreseen, 2,160 Spitfires were on order for the RAF.

But R.J. Mitchell never lived to see the success of his creation. In 1937, at the age of 42, he died of cancer.


Sir Sidney Camm


Although the Spitfire was the product of one man's imagination, the Hawker Hurricane did not owe its origins to any single individual. It was the result of an evolutionary process that began with the fabric-covered biplanes of World War I. Revolutionary for its time-it was the RAF's first monoplane fighter and its first fighter to exceed 300 mph-the Hurricane was still a wood-and-fabric airplane. It was once referred to as "a halfway house between the old biplanes and the new Spitfires." Sidney Camm, Hawker Aircraft's chief designer, was the leading force behind the Hurricane's development. In the early 1930s, when the Air Ministry began looking to replace its biplanes with a more modem fighter, Camm already had a design for what he called his Fury monoplane, a modification of the graceful and highly maneuverable Fury biplane. The Fury was the direct descendant of Sopwith's Pup, Triplane, Camel, Dolphin and Snipe-fighters of World War I. Hawker Aircraft Ltd. had begun its life as Sopwith Ltd.


RollsRoyce's PV-12 (Merlin)


Apart from the fact that the Hurricane was a monoplane, its major differences from the Fury were its power plant and armament. The Fury was powered by the Rolls-Royce Kestrel, which gave it a maximum speed of 184 mph. But the Kestrel was much too small for the Hurricane. When Camm heard about RollsRoyce's PV-12 engine, the Merlin, he modified his new monoplane to accommodate it.



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To: alfa6

Morning alfa6.


21 posted on 01/27/2005 6:19:30 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: E.G.C.

Morning E.G.C.

Less fog this morning. We got to see some sun yesterday afternoon.


22 posted on 01/27/2005 6:20:23 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning..lots of beautiful sunshine this morning


23 posted on 01/27/2005 6:20:30 AM PST by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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To: SAMWolf

Good Morning...Sam


24 posted on 01/27/2005 6:21:15 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Good morning SAM and snippy.

Excellent read, thanks!

Cheers!


25 posted on 01/27/2005 6:22:39 AM PST by SZonian (44 years and counting.....can this finally be the year that a Championship finally comes home?)
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To: The Mayor
Christianity in modern America . . . tends to be easy, upbeat, convenient, and compatible. It does not require self-sacrifice, discipline, humility, an otherworldly outlook, a zeal for souls, a fear as well as love of God. There is little guilt and no punishment, and the payoff in heaven is virtually certain.

It's a shame, I noticed that in the Catholic Church. I call it "Religion Lite", seems even the Church is afraid to speak out against the world's evils.

26 posted on 01/27/2005 6:23:15 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: alfa6

Nice photos! Some of the sharpest pics I've seen.


27 posted on 01/27/2005 6:24:28 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: GailA

Morning GailA.

I don't think we'll be seeing any sunshine until late in the day. :-(


28 posted on 01/27/2005 6:25:22 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: shield

Morning shield.


29 posted on 01/27/2005 6:25:43 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: SZonian

Morning SZonian


30 posted on 01/27/2005 6:26:00 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: SAMWolf
"Religion Lite"

I like that and it's right on the money..

If the church had done it's job over the years we wouldn't be where we are today.
That statement is all inclusive not just the catholic.

31 posted on 01/27/2005 6:26:26 AM PST by The Mayor (Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.)
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To: snippy_about_it; All


WING CDR. LANCE C. WADE, RAF

Described in "Fighter Aces of the USA" by Toliver and Constable, as "A distinguished American fighter ace who epitomized perhaps more than any other American airman the wartime accords between Britain and the United States".

Lance Wade was born in Broaddus, Texas, in 1915. He joined RAF in Canada in Dec. 1940. Arrived in Egypt as a Hurricane I pilot September 1941, and was posted to 33 Sqn. His first kills were 2 Fiat CR-42s 18 Nov. Made ace 24 Nov. He Began flying Hurricane Mk IIs in Apr 1942, when he was awarded the DFC. His had 13 victories as of September 1942.

He spent the next several months back in US on various RAF projects including evaluating some American fighters at Wright Field.

He returned to combat as a Flight Leader in 145 Sqn with a bar to his DFC, flying Spitfire Mk.Vs. Promoted to Sqdn. Ldr., he had a busy 60+ days, as by end of April his score was 21, by then flying Spitfire Mk. IXs. Sqn moved to Italy, and Wade got 2 FW190s as a Spitfire VIII pilot 2 Oct, and his last claims were 3 FW190s damaged 3 Nov.

Wade became a Wing Cdr and joined the staff of the Desert Air Force but was there only briefly, as he was killed in a flying accident 12 January 1944 at Foggia.

In 30 combats in which he made claims he was credited with 23 victories (including 2 shared), 1 probable, and 13 damaged. Also 1 dest. and 5 dmgd on the ground. All by age 28.

Wing Commander Wade usually is listed with 25 victories but official RAF records show that he had 22 solo victories and half each of two more for a total of 23.00, not counting one probable.

Whether his score is 25, or 23 victories, he is still the leading American fighter ace to serve exclusively in any foreign air force.

Since he never transferred to the USAAF, or any other American Air service, W/Cmdr. Wade never got the publicity that other American Aces received. In fact not many Americans know of his exploits. It is hoped that this little effort will help in rectifying that oversight.

32 posted on 01/27/2005 6:30:47 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: The Mayor

There was something to be said for the old "Fire and Brimstone".


33 posted on 01/27/2005 6:32:26 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: SAMWolf

One This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on January 27:
1546 Joachim III Frederick elector (Brandenburg)
1556 Abbas I "the Great", shah of Persia (1587-1629)
1756 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Austria, musical prodigy/composer (Figaro)
1808 David F Strauss Germany, theologist (Jesus' Life)
1822 Thomas Leiper Kane Brevet Major General (Union volunteers),died in 1883
1826 Richard Taylor Lieutenant-General (Confederate Army), died in 1879
1828 Samuel Allen Rice Brigadier General (Union volunteers), died in 1864
1830 William Henry Fitzhugh Payne Brigadier General (Confederate Army)
1832 Lewis Carroll [Charles Lutwidge Dodgson], author (Alice in Wonderland)
1834 Robert Sanford Foster Brevet Major General (Union volunteers)
1850 Samuel Gompers (labor union leader: 1st president of the American Federation of Labor [AFL])
1859 Kaiser Wilhelm II Potsdam, German emperor (1888-1918)
1885 Jerome Kern New York City NY, Broadway composer (Showboat, Roberta)
1900 Hyman G Rickover US Admiral (father of modern nuclear navy)
1901 Art Rooney NFL team owner (Pittsburgh Steelers)
1908 William Randolph Hearst Jr newspaper publisher (Hearst Publishing)
1918 Elmore James musician (Dust My Broom)
1919 David Seville [Ross Bagdasarian], Fresno CA, (Alvin & Chipmunks)
1921 Donna Reed Denison IA, actress (From Here to Eternity, Wonderful Life)
1930 Bobby "Blue" Bland Rosemark TN, blues singer
1934 Julian Ogilvie Thompson CEO (De Beers)
1936 Troy Donahue New York City NY, actor (Surfside Six, Cockfighter, Hawaiian Eye)
1940 Brian T O'Leary Boston MA, astronaut
1945 Mairead Corrigan-Maguire North Irish peace activist (Nobel 1976)
1964 Bridget Fonda Los Angeles CA, actress (Scandal, Single White Female)
1981 Jon "Kid Jonny" Lang Fargo ND, blues musician



Deaths which occurred on January 27:
0672 Vitalianus pope (657-72)/saint, dies
0847 Sergius II pope (844-47), dies
1164 Abraham ibn Ezra poet/philosopher, dies
1731 Bartolomeo di Francesco Cristofori Italian piano builder, dies at 75
1816 Samuel Hood 1st Viscount Hood/admiral, dies
1851 John James Audubon conservationist (Audubon Society), dies at 65
1901 Giuseppe Verdi Italian composer (Rigoletto/Traviata/Aïda), dies in Milano at 87
1954 Paul-Marie Masson composer, dies at 71

1967 Roger B Chaffee astronaut, dies at 31 in Apollo I fire
1967 Virgil I (Gus) Grissom astronaut, dies at 41 in Apollo I fire
1967 Edward Higgins White II Lieutenant-Colonel USAF/astronaut (Gemini 4), dies in Apollo I fire at 36

1972 Mahalia Jackson gospel singer (He Got the Whole World), dies at 60
1983 Paul "Bear" Bryant US football coach (Alabama), dies at 69
1986 L Ron Hubbard novelist/founder (Church of Scientology), dies at 74
1993 Andre "the Giant" Roussimoff WWF wrestler, dies of heart attack at 49
1994 Claude Akins actor (Rio Bravo, Lobo), dies of cancer at 75
1994 Eddie Calhoun jazz Bassist, dies at 72


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1968 CORDOVA ROBERT J.---BOYS TOWN NE.
1969 CONGER JOHN E.---LEBANON OH.
1973 HALL HARLEY H.---VANCOUVER WA.
[KIENTZLER TOLD HALL KILLED REMAINS RETURNED 6/95]
1973 KIENTZLER PHILLIP A.---POWAY CA
[03/27/73 RELEASED BY PRG]
1973 MORRIS GEORGE W. JR.---ALHAMBRA CA.
["GOOD CHUTE, POSS VOICE CONTACT"]
1973 PETERSON MARK A.---CANTON OH.
["GOOD CHUTE, POSS VOICE CONTACT"]

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
0672 St Vitalian ends his reign as Catholic Pope
0847 Sergius II ends his reign as Catholic Pope
1302 Dante becomes a Florentine political exile
1593 Vatican opens 7 year trial against scholar Giordano Bruno
1662 1st American lime kiln begins operation (Providence RI)
1671 Pirate Henry Morgen lands at Panama City
1785 1st US state university chartered, Athens GA
1823 President Monroe appoints 1st US ambassadors to South America
1864 Battle of Fair Gardens, Tennessee
1870 1st sorority (Kappa Alpha Theta) (DePauw University in Greencastle IN)
1880 Thomas Edison patents electric incandescent lamp
1888 National Geographic Society organizes (Washington DC)
1891 Mine explosion kills 109 at Mount Pleasant PA
1894 1st college basketball game, University of Chicago beats Chicago YMCA 19-11
1900 Social Democrat Party of America (Eugene V. Debs party) holds 1st convention
1902 5 workers killed on explosion during IRT subway construction (New York City NY)
1915 US Marines occupy Haiti
1916 Communist party "Spartacus Letters" 1st published in Berlin
1918 "Tarzan of the Apes", 1st Tarzan film, premieres at Broadway Theater
1924 Lenin placed in Mausoleum in Red Square
1926 US Senate agrees to join World Court
1927 Harlem Globetrotters play their 1st game
1940 -17ºF (-27ºC), CCC Camp F-16, Georgia (state record)
1941 Peruvian agent Rivera-Schreibér warns of Japanese assault on Pearl Harbor
1942 -19ºF (-27.4ºC), Netherlands' coldest day since 1850
1943 1st US air attack on Germany (Wilhelmshafen)
1944 Leningrad liberated from Germany in 880 days with 600,000 killed

1945 Russia liberates Auschwitz & Birkenau Concentration Camp (Poland)

1948 1st tape recorder sold
1951 US begins 126 nuclear tests at Nevada Test Site
1961 "Sing Along with Mitch" [Miller] premieres on NBC TV
1963 Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey, Elmer Flick, & John Clarkson elected to Baseball Hall of Fame
1964 "Introducing the Beatles" album released in US
1964 Margaret Chase Smith (Senator-R-ME) tries for Republican Presidential bid
1965 1st ground station-to-aircraft radio communication via satellite

1967 Apollo 1 fire kills astronauts Grissom, White & Chaffee

1967 Treaty banning military use of nuclear weapons in space, signed
1969 14 spies hung in Baghdad
1969 9 Jews publicly executed in Damascus Syria
1973 US & Vietnam sign cease-fire, ending longest US war
1976 Morocco-Algeria battles in Westerly Sahara
1985 15th Space Shuttle (51-C) Mission-Discovery 3 returns to Earth
1988 Senate Judiciary Committee unanimously approves nomination of Judge Anthony M Kennedy to US Supreme Court

1990 Dissolution of Polish communist party (what days we live in)

1991 Nadine Strossen is 1st female president of the ACLU
1992 Mike Tyson goes on trial for rape (he is found guilty)
1992 Presidential candidate Bill Clinton (D) & Genifer Flowers accuse each other of lying over her assertion they had a 12-year affair
1996 Germany celebrates its 1st Holocaust Remembrance Day
1998 Shaken by scandal, Pres. Clinton made his State of the Union address and proposed bolstering Social Security with the current surplus, improving schools by reducing class size and building more, raising the minimum wage, and making child care more available for low-income families before cutting taxes or increasing spending. He also issued a warning to Sadam Hussein of Iraq and asked Congress to support NATO expansion.....an end to traffic jams, hard butter, and phone calls while you're in the shower.



Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"
Mauritius : Cavadee
Vietnam : Vietnam Peace Day (1973)
Scotland : Up Helly Aa'
US : "Weird Al" Yankovic Day
National Retail Bakers Month


Religious Observances
Buddhist-Laos : Buddhist Holiday
Christian : Devote of Monte Carlo
Lutheran : Commemoration of Lydia, Dorcas & Phoebe
Roman Catholic : Feast of St Julian
Anglican, Old Roman Catholic : Commemoration of John Chrysostom, bishop of Constantinople
Roman Catholic : Memorial of St Angela Merici, virgin (opt)
Moslem : A Night of Remembrance (Sha'ban 14, 1414 AH)


Religious History
1343 Clement VI's bull "Unigenitus" officially ratified the belief that Indulgences owed their potency to the Pope's dispensation of the accumulated merit of the Church. (In 1518 Cardinal Thomas Cajetan accused German reformer Martin Luther, 32, of challenging the validity of this Catholic doctrine.)
1774 Pioneer American Methodist bishop Francis Asbury wrote in his journal: 'If my labours should be in vain for the people, the Lord gives me a gracious reward in my own soul.'
1839 Birth of John Julian, famed English authority on sacred music. His undoubted masterwork is the monumental "Dictionary of Hymnology" which he published in 1892 (later revised, updated and reissued in 1957).
1842 Scottish clergyman Robert Murray McCheyne wrote in a letter: 'Call upon the name of the Lord. Your time may be short... The longest lifetime is short enough. It is all that is given you to be converted in. They are the happiest who are brought soonest to the bosom of Jesus."
1972 In Columbia, the white and black United Methodist conferences of South Carolina -- separated since the Civil War -- voted in their respective meetings to adopt a plan of union.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality."


34 posted on 01/27/2005 6:37:02 AM PST by Valin (Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield)
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To: Diver Dave

I recall some drag racers using them.


35 posted on 01/27/2005 6:39:57 AM PST by Valin (Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Good morning, folks.

Our ISP is contuining to experience problems with it's primary database server. Once again for the second morning in a row during my first trip to the Internet, the computer stopped opening webpages.

Five minutes later I tried logging back in and wound up getting "Error Message 718".

This kept up until around 7:30 AM CST when Finally I was able to get back on.

Hopefully will have this issue resolved soon.

How's it going, Snippy?

36 posted on 01/27/2005 6:45:28 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Valin
1967 Roger B Chaffee astronaut, dies at 31 in Apollo I fire
1967 Virgil I (Gus) Grissom astronaut, dies at 41 in Apollo I fire
1967 Edward Higgins White II Lieutenant-Colonel USAF/astronaut (Gemini 4), dies in Apollo I fire at 36


37 posted on 01/27/2005 6:50:13 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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To: Iris7
Sidney Camm, the guy who did the Hurricane, is the guy who did the Harrier. Harrier was his last production machine.

That really illustrates the steep curve of warplane development, or of aviation in general. Hard to fathom these days that there were men who began in biplanes & finished in 747s.

38 posted on 01/27/2005 7:01:31 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; msdrby
Good morning ladies. Flag-o-Gram.


39 posted on 01/27/2005 7:02:19 AM PST by Professional Engineer (The number exactly halfway between +1 and -1 is not "OH".)
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To: Professional Engineer

Morning PE.

Sad and yet still stirring Flag-O-Gram.


40 posted on 01/27/2005 7:16:40 AM PST by SAMWolf (Never make the same mistake twice. There are too many new ones to try)
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