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The FReeper Foxhole Enjoys a Lazy Sunday and A Few WBTS Facts - May 22nd, 2005
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Posted on 05/22/2005 1:03:03 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



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Some Civil War Facts




The War Between the States


• More than three million men fought in the war.

• Two percent of the population—more than 620,000—died in it.

• In two days at Shiloh on the banks of the Tennessee River, more Americans fell than in all previous American wars combined.

• During the Battle of Antietam, 12,401 Union men were killed, missing or wounded; double the casualties of D-Day, 82 years later. With a total of 23,000 casualties on both sides, it was the bloodiest single day of the Civil War.

• At Cold Harbor, Va., 7,000 Americans fell in 20 minutes.

• Senator John J. Crittendon of Kentucky had two sons who became major generals during the Civil War: one for the North, one for the South.

• Ulysses S. Grant was not fond of ceremonies or military music. He said he could only recognize two tunes. "One was Yankee Doodle," he grumbled. "The other one wasn’t."

• Missouri sent 39 regiments to fight in the siege of Vicksburg: 17 to the Confederacy and 22 to the Union.

• During the Battle of Antietam, Clara Barton tended the wounded so close to the fighting that a bullet went through her sleeve and killed a man she was treating.

• At the start of the war, the value of all manufactured goods produced in all the Confederate states added up to less than one-fourth of those produced in New York State alone.

• In March 1862, European powers watched in worried fascination as the Monitor and Merrimack battled off Hampton Roads, Va. From then on, after these ironclads opened fire, every other navy on earth was obsolete.

• In 1862, the U.S. Congress authorized the first paper currency, called "greenbacks."

• Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., future chief Justice, was wounded three times during the Civil War: in the chest at Ball’s Bluff, in the back at Antietam and in the heel at Chancellorsville.

• Confederate Private Henry Stanley fought for the Sixth Arkansas, and was captured at Shiloh, but survived to go to Africa to find Dr. Livingston.

• George Pickett’s doomed infantry charge at Gettysburg was the first time he took his division into combat.

• On July 4, 1863, after 48 days of siege, Confederate General John C. Pemberton surrendered the city of Vicksburg to the Union’s General, Ulysses S. Grant. The Fourth of July was not be celebrated in Vicksburg for another 81 years.

• Disease was the chief killer during the war, taking two men for every one who died of battle wounds.

• North and South, potential recruits were offered awards, or "bounties," for enlisting, as much as $677 in New York. Bounty jumping soon became a profession, as men signed up, then deserted, to enlist again elsewhere. One man repeated the process 32 times before being caught.

• African Americans constituted less than one percent of the northern population, yet by the war’s end made up ten percent of the Union Army. A total of 180,000 black men, more than 85% of those eligible, enlisted.

• In November 1863, President Lincoln was invited to offer a "few appropriate remarks" at the opening of a new Union cemetery at Gettysburg. The main speaker, a celebrated orator from Massachusetts, spoke for nearly two hours. Lincoln offered just 269 words in his Gettysburg Address.

• Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest had 30 horses shot from under him and personally killed 31 men in hand-to-hand combat. "I was a horse ahead at the end," he said.

• The words "In God We Trust" first appeared on a U.S. coin in 1864.

• In 1864, Ulysses S. Grant was promoted to Lieutenant General, a rank previously held by General George Washington, and led the 533,000 men of the Union Army, the largest in the world. Three years later, he was made President of the United States.

• Andersonville Prison in southwest Georgia held 33,000 prisoners in 1864. It was the fifth largest city in the Confederacy.

•By the end of the war, Unionists from every state except South Carolina had sent regiments to fight for the North.

• On November 9, 1863, President Lincoln attended a theater in Washington, D.C., to see "The Marble Heart." An accomplished actor, John Wilkes Booth, was in the cast.

• On March 4, 1865, Lincoln was inaugurated for a second term. Yards away in the crowd was John Wilkes Booth with a pistol in his pocket. His vantage point on the balcony, he said later, offered him "an excellent chance to kill the President, if I had wished."

• On May 13, 1865, a month after Lee’s surrender at Appomattox, Private John J. Williams of the 34th Indiana became the last man killed in the Civil War, in a battle at Palmito Ranch, Texas. The final skirmish was a Confederate victory.

• Hiram Revels of Mississippi became the first black man ever elected to the U.S. Senate. He filled the seat last held by Jefferson Davis.

Educational Sources;
www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/facts.html



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Good morning everyone. Enjoy your Sunday.



1 posted on 05/22/2005 1:03:07 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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2 posted on 05/22/2005 1:04:01 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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We here at Blue Stars For A Safe Return are working hard to honor all of our military, past and present, and their families. Inlcuding the veterans, and POW/MIA's. I feel that not enough is done to recognize the past efforts of the veterans, and remember those who have never been found.

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3 posted on 05/22/2005 1:04:34 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Good morning Snippy.


4 posted on 05/22/2005 2:21:16 AM PDT by Aeronaut (I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things - Saint-Exupery)
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Off to work Bump

Regrads

alfa6 ;>}

5 posted on 05/22/2005 2:58:42 AM PDT by alfa6 (Same nightmare, different night)
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Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.


6 posted on 05/22/2005 3:02:55 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning All.


7 posted on 05/22/2005 3:48:08 AM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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"• Senator John J. Crittendon of Kentucky had two sons who became major generals during the Civil War: one for the North, one for the South."

Good morning, Snippy. Love it when you give facts like this.

From the "Civil War Trivia and Fact Book" by Webb Garrison, it says there were 20 generals who served in the War Between the States (for BOTH sides) from the West Point class of 1841. Counting other years until about 1859, the numbers are even higher.

"• Ulysses S. Grant was not fond of ceremonies or military music. He said he could only recognize two tunes. "One was Yankee Doodle," he grumbled. "The other one wasn’t."

Music played an important part of the war. Robert E. Lee said no army should go to war without its musicians (paraphrasing here). J.E.B. Stuart of the C.S.A. kept a banjo player on his headquarters staff. Music, especially bugles, were used for communication to call the troops to regroup, retreat, charge, lights out, etc.
8 posted on 05/22/2005 5:25:56 AM PDT by Humal
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Good morning everyone.

9 posted on 05/22/2005 5:37:21 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning Snippy, Today my son finally Gradurates and next is Marine boot camp in July. The bar is open now and the beer is on me. HOO RAH.


10 posted on 05/22/2005 5:38:21 AM PDT by weldgophardline (God Bless the TROOPS and President BUSH)
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May 22, 2005

What Does God Like?

Read:
Ephesians 5:15-21

Be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs. -Ephesians 5:18-19

Bible In One Year: Psalm 124-126

cover Some churches have become divided over styles of worship. One group may be insisting on a traditional service, while another is agitating for a more contemporary format.

We can all profit from a lesson a man learned on a business trip after attending a church service near his hotel. He talked with the pastor about how he had been blessed by the sermon, even though some of the worship time was not to his liking.

The pastor simply asked, "What was it you think God didn't like?" The man had the grace to reply, "I don't suppose there was anything He didn't like. I was talking about my own reaction. But worship isn't really about me, is it?"

We are entitled to our own preferences, and we must hold firmly to our biblical convictions. But before we voice our fault-finding opinions, let's seriously try to understand God's viewpoint. Consider Ephesians 5 in the light of worship: We are to be filled with the Spirit, speak to each other in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, give thanks to God, and submit to one another (vv.19,21).

Whatever the style of worship, as we express to God our praise for who He is and all He has done, we lift Him up and encourage others. That's what God likes. -Vernon Grounds

Let us celebrate together,
Lift our voice in one accord,
Singing of God's grace and mercy
And the goodness of the Lord. -Sper

At the heart of worship is worship from the heart.

FOR FURTHER STUDY
What Is Worship?
The Church We Need

11 posted on 05/22/2005 5:45:44 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: snippy_about_it

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on May 22:
1671 Abraham Patras Governor-General of East-Indies (1735-37)
1780 Jan Emmanuel Dulezalek composer
1804 John William (Turk) Livingston Commander (Union Navy), died in 1885
1813 Richard Wagner Leipzig Germany, composer (Ring, Flying Dutchman)
1821 Alfred Sully Brevet Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1879
1828 Albrecht Gräfe pioneer eye surgeon; founded modern ophthalmology
1844 Mary Cassatt US, Impressionist painter (Woman Bathing)
1859 Sir Arthur Conan Doyle UK, author-brought Sherlock Holmes to life...twice
1891 Robert Gordon Sproul educator/college president (University of California)
1897 Robert Neumann Austrian/British author (Waters of Babylon)
1902 Al Simmons Milwaukee WI, outfielder (A's)/lifetime batting average of .334
1906 Harry Ritz US comic (Ritz Brothers-Silent Movie)
1907 Sir Laurence Olivier actor (Rebecca, Hamlet, The Boys from Brazil,Khartoum, Othello)
1910 Johnny Olson TV announcer (Price is Right)
1911 Anatol Rapoport Russian/US mathematician/biologist (game theory)
1920 Thomas Gold astronomer (proposed steady-state theory of universe)
1922 Judith Crist New York NY, movie critic (TV Guide)
1924 Charles Aznavour [Chahnour Varinag Aznavourian] Paris France, French-Armenian singer (Monsieur Carnavel, Tin Drum)
1927 Michael Constantine Reading PA, actor (Room 222, Don't Drink the Water)
1928 Roscoe Robinson US gospel singer
1928 T Boone Pickens CEO (Shamrock, Mesa Petroleum Co)
1938 Frank Converse actor (It's About Time, Dr Cook's Garden, Movin' On)
1938 Richard Benjamin New York NY, director/actor (Goodbye Columbus, He & She)
1940 Bernard Shaw news correspondant (CBS, CNN)
1941 Paul Winfield Los Angeles CA, actor (Star Trek II, Huckleberry Finn, Mars Attacks)
1943 Tommy John pitcher (Yankee/Dodger)
1950 Bernie Taupin lyricist, writes with Elton John
1952 Jan Todd woman power lifter, once lifted 248 kg in a squat
1953 John Edward Stevens New York NY, bank robber (FBI Most Wanted List)
1970 Naomi Campbell London England, model/actress (Cool as Ice, Unzipped)
1972 or 1639 (experts differ) M0sby born inventor of the Inside the Shell Egg Scrambler, World famous theoretical physicist working on just where does the odd sock go.
Rumor has it that she has the ability to
rub and scrub till the house shines just like a dime
Feed the baby
Grease the car
Powder my nose at the same time

"Because time itself is like a spiral, something special happens on your birthday each year: The same energy that God invested in you at birth is present once again."



Deaths which occurred on May 22:
0337 Constantine the Great emperor of Rome (306-37)/anti semite, dies
0987 Louis V le Faineant the Lazy, king of France (986-87), poisoned at 20
1667 Alexander VII [Fabio Chigi] Italian Pope (1655-67), dies at 68
1688 Johann A Quenstedt German Lutheran theologist, dies at 70
1868 Julius Plücker German mathematician/physicist (formula of P), dies
1885 Victor(-Marie) Hugo French writer (Les Misérables), dies at 83
1925 John Denton Pinkstone French British field marshall (WWI), dies at 72
1928 William Gairdner English missionary (Nile Mission Press), dies at 54
1949 Klaus H T Mann German/US writer (Turning Point), dies
1965 Heinrich Barth Swiss philosopher (Das Sein in der Zeit), dies
1967 [James Mercer] Langston Hughes US author (Tambourines to Glory), dies at 65
1972 Margaret Rutherford English actress (The Importance of Being Earnest,Murder She Said, Murder Ahoy), dies at 80
1990 Rocky Graziano boxer, dies at 71, of heart failure



GWOT Casualties

Iraq
22-May-2003 1 | US: 0 | UK: 1 | Other: 0
UK Civilian Leonard Harvey Hospital Non-hostile - illness

21-May-2004 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Staff Sergeant Jeremy R. Horton Mahmudiyah (near) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US Lance Corporal Andrew J. Zabierek Fallujah (near) Hostile - vehicle accident


Afghanistan
A Good Day

http://icasualties.org/oif/
Data research by Pat Kneisler
Designed and maintained by Michael White


On this day...
0012 BC A daytime meteor shower, possibly Zeta Perseid observed in China
0760 14th recorded perihelion passage of Halley's Comet
1176 Murder attempt by "Assassins" on Saladin near Aleppo
1200 Peace of Goulet
1370 Jews are expelled/massacred from Brussels Belgium
1455 Open battle in England's 30-year War of the Roses (St Albans)
1455 Richard of York takes St Albans, kidnapping King Henry VI
1570 1st atlas, with 70 maps, published
1659 France, England & Netherlands sign "Hedges Concerto" treaty
1712 Emperor Karel VI crowned king of Hungary
1761 1st life insurance policy in US, issued in Philadelphia
1784 Ceylonese student leader Pieter Quint Ondaatje demands democracy
1803 1st public library opens (Connecticut)
1807 Former Vice President Aaron Burr is tried for treason in Richmond VA (acquitted)
1807 Townsend Speakman 1st sells fruit-flavored carbonated drinks (Philadelphia)
1819 1st steam propelled vessel to cross Atlantic (leaves Savannah GA)
1836 Felix Mendelssohn's oratorium "St Paul" premieres in Düsseldorf
1843 1st wagon train, 1000+ departs Independence MO for Oregon
1849 Abraham Lincoln patents a buoying device
1856 Violence in Senate, South Carolina Representative Brooks used a cane on Massachusetts Senator Sumner
1858 Confederación Granadina (now Colombia) forms
1863 General Grant begins siege on Vicksburg
1863 War Department establishes Bureau of Colored Troops
1864 Battle of North Anna River VA (Totopotamy River, Haw's Shop, Hanovertown)
1868 Great Train Robbery; 7 men (Reno Brothers) make off with $98,000 in cash
1872 Amnesty Act restores civil rights to Southerners (except for 500)
1883 Cub's Billy Sunday's 1st at bat, begins 14 consecutive strike-outs
1884 1-armed pitcher Hugh Daily fanned 13 hitters
1888 Leroy Buffington patents a system to build skyscrapers
1891 1st motion picture shown to National Federation of Women's Clubs
1892 Dr Washington Sheffield invents toothpaste tube
1900 Associated Press organizes in NYC as non-profit news cooperative
1906 Wright Brothers patent an aeroplane
1911 Braves pitcher, Cliff Curtis, loses his 23rd game in a row (Now that's what I call a slump)
1915 Local train collides with troop train killing 226 (Gretna Scotland)
1916 French troops occupy parts of Fort Douaumont Verdun
1923 Stanley Baldwin succeeds Andrew Bonar Law as British premier
1926 "Five Foot Two, Eyes of Blue" by Gene Austin hits #1
1926 Chiang Kai-shek replaces communists in Guomindang China
1927 8.3 earthquake strikes Nan-Shan China, 200,000 killed
1928 US Congress accept Jones-White Merchant Naval Act
1930 Ruth hits 3 consecutive homeruns (8th-10th of 60 in 1930)
1930 Yankee "Bronx Bombers" hit 14 homeruns in a game
1931 Canned rattlesnake meat 1st goes on sale in Florida (Tastes just like chicken)
1933 Loch Ness Monster is 1st reportedly sighted by John Mackay
1933 World Trade Day/National Maritime Day 1st celebrated
1938 Dodgers announce contracts to install lights at Ebbets Field
1939 Hitler & Mussolini sign "Pact of Steel"
1941 British troops attack Baghdad
1942 México declares war on Nazi-Germany & Japan
1943 1st(?) jet fighter is tested
1943 Stalin disbands Komintern
1945 6th Marine division reaches suburbs of Naha Okinawa
1947 "Truman Doctrine" goes into effect, aiding Turkey & Greece
1947 1st US ballistic missile fired
1953 President Eisenhower signs Offshore Oil Bill
1954 KREX TV channel 5 in Grand Junction CO (CBS) begins broadcasting
1954 Robert Zimmerman aka Bob Dylan is Bar Mitzvahed
1956 "Bob Hope Show" last airs on NBC-TV
1957 Red Sox set American League record by smashing 4 homeruns in 6th inning in 11-0 win
1957 South Africa Government approves race separation in universities
1959 Benjamin O Davis Jr becomes 1st black general-major in USAF
1960 Virtually all coastal towns between 37th & 44th parallels severely damaged by tsunami that strikes Hilo HI at 01:04 AM
1961 "Mother-In-Law" by Ernie K-Doe hits #1
1961 1st revolving restaurant (Top Of The Space Needle in Seattle), opens
1962 Robert A Rushworth, USAF major, takes X-15 to 30,600 meters
1962 Roger Maris walks 5 times (record 4 intentionally) in a 9 inning game
1963 Mickey Mantle hits a ball off Yankee Stadium's facade
1964 LBJ presents "Great Society" (Well THAT worked real well)
1965 Beatles' "Ticket to Ride" single goes #1
1965 Mad Dog Vachon beats Igor Vodic in Omaha, to become NWA champion
1967 "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" debuts on NET (now PBS)
1967 Egyptian president Nasser closes Straits of Tiran to Israel
1969 Stafford & Cernan pilot Apollo 10 LEM 9.4 miles (15km) above lunar surface
1970 Arab terrorists kill 9 children & 3 adults on a school bus
1972 Ceylon becomes Republic of Sri Lanka as its constitution is ratified
1972 Ton Sijbrands becomes world checker champion
1972 US President Nixon begins visit Moscow
1973 President Nixon confesses his role in Watergate cover-up
1977 Final European scheduled run of the Orient Express (94 years)
1979 Canadians elect conservatives, Joseph Clark replaces Pierre Trudeau
1980 Marlo Thomas & Phil Donahue marry
1981 Soyuz 40 returns to Earth
1985 Pete Rose 2,108th run passes Hank Aaron as National League run scoring leader
1985 US sailor Michael L Walker arrested for spying for USSR
1987 30 killed in a Texas tornado
1990 Microsoft releases Windows 3.0
1990 North & South Yemen merge to form Republic of Yemen
1992 Johnny Carson's final appearance as host of the Tonight Show
1993 Riddick Bowe TKOs Jesse Ferguson in 2 for heavyweight boxing title
1995 The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that states cannot limit service in Congress without amending the Constitution
1997 Kelly Flinn, the Air Force's first female bomber pilot certified for combat, accepted a general discharge, thereby avoiding court-martial on charges of adultery, lying and disobeying an order.
2000 A committee of the Arkansas Supreme Court recommended that President Clinton be disbarred for giving false testimony about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. (Clinton later agreed to give up his Arkansas law license for five years.)
2001 The Taliban of Afghanistan decreed an edict that would require non-Muslims to wear distinguishing clothing
2002 Bobby Frank Cherry (71), former Alabama Klansman, was convicted for the Sep 14, 1963, murder of 4 Black girls at the 16th Street Baptist Church. The jury sent him to prison for life.
2004 Filmmaker Michael "two cheeseburger" Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," wins the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Angel's Camp CA : Jumping Frog Jubilee Day
Haiti : National Sovereignty Day
Sri Lanka : Republic Day (1972)
Poppy Week Begins
Buy a Musical Instrument Day
US : National Maritime Day
National Digestive Disease Awareness Month


Religious Observances
Roman Catholic : Commemoration of St Rita of Cascia, widow; invoked in desperate cases
Orthodox : Translat of Relics of St Nicholas the Wonderworker
Feast of St. Basilicus, martyr.


Religious History
1541 In Germany, the Ratisbon (Regensburg) Conference ended, its mission to reunify the Catholic Church having failed. From this time on, the Protestant movement became permanent.
1740 English revivalist George Whitefield wrote in a letter: 'We must all have the spirit of martyrdom, though we may not all die martyrs.'
1868 Birth of William R. Newell, American clergyman and devotional writer. He published expository works on the Bible, and is remembered today as author of the hymn, "At Calvary" (a.k.a. "Years I Spent in Vanity and Pride").
1944 The Gospel Mission of South America was founded by William M. Strong in Concepcion, Chile. An interdenominational Protestant missions agency, its headquarters moved to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida in 1975.
1967 The General Assembly of the Southern Presbyterian Church (PCUS) adopted the Confession of 1967. It was the first major declaration of faith adopted by this branch of Protestantism since the Westminster Confession of 1647.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.



Thought for the day :
"Faith is not belief. Belief is passive. Faith is active."


12 posted on 05/22/2005 6:32:21 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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• Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest had 30 horses shot from under him and personally killed 31 men in hand-to-hand combat. "I was a horse ahead at the end," he said.

"The most remarkable man our Civil War produced on either side . . . he should be hunted down and killed if it costs ten thousand lives and bankrupts the Federal treasury."
~Gen. William T. Sherman

"General Forrest, I wish to congratulate you and those brave men moving across that field like veteran infantry upon their magnificent behavior. In Virginia I made myself extremely unpopular with the cavalry because I said that so far I had not seen a dead man with spurs on. No one could speak disparagingly of such troops as yours."
~Gen. Daniel H. Hill at the battle of Chickamauga


13 posted on 05/22/2005 8:25:31 AM PDT by w_over_w (We can't all be heroes because someone has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. ~Will Rogers)
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To: weldgophardline
Weld County? Born in Greeley, myself, long before the place was so, well, Modern.

God Bless you and yours.

The Corps is a remarkable organization. Your son will meet some good men.

14 posted on 05/22/2005 10:08:14 AM PDT by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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In my opinion Nathan Bedford Forrest was the greatest Anglo fighting man since Robert the Bruce.

W.T. Sherman was very talented, having the confidence of U.S. Grant. I think his evaluation of Forrest has merit.

Imagine what might have happened if Forrest had had Jefferson Davis' job.


15 posted on 05/22/2005 10:22:02 AM PDT by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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At the start of the war, the value of all manufactured goods produced in all the Confederate states added up to less than one-fourth of those produced in New York State alone.

IMHO, that's the main reason the South could never win a modern conventional war/war of attrition.

16 posted on 05/22/2005 10:28:01 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Why can't we just spell it orderves?)
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Congratulations! I'll take one of those beers even if it isn't noon yet. :-)


17 posted on 05/22/2005 10:28:42 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Iris7
Imagine what might have happened if Forrest had had Jefferson Davis' job.

Perhaps as I continue my CW reading/studies I'll be able to one day. In the meantime, I would gladly welcome your insight and comments on a Forrest Presidency.

BTW, three weeks from today (probably at this very moment), I'll be trooping through the Gettysburg Battlefield. I haven't forgotten your request for pics of certain coordinates. I'm really excited about this trip.

18 posted on 05/22/2005 10:36:02 AM PDT by w_over_w (We can't all be heroes because someone has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. ~Will Rogers)
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One fine General and quite a good looking gentleman, imo.


19 posted on 05/22/2005 10:36:58 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6

Beautiful painting, thanks.


20 posted on 05/22/2005 10:37:47 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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