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The FReeper Foxhole Enjoys a Lazy Sunday -A B-17 Flying Fortress Walkabout
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Posted on 08/20/2005 10:09:25 PM PDT by alfa6



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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for all those serving their country at this time.



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A B-17 Walk In and About





The Boeing Model 299 first took flight July 28, 1935 from Boeing Field in Seattle with Boeing test pilot Les Towers at the controls. The 299 was designed in response to an Army Air Corps request for a new multi-engine bomber.



The name “Flying Fortress” was coined by a Seattle Times reporter Richard Williams. who was impressed with the machine gun layout at the rollout of the Model 299. Boeing recognized the PR value of the term and had it copyrighted in respect to the B-17.



The prototype crashed during the Army Air Corp evaluation testing when Army pilot Ployer Hill attempted to take off with the tail control surfaces locked. The crash killed all on board including Les Tower.



The Army was impressed enough with the Flying Fortress that they took advantage of a loophole that allowed them to buy a small number of the second place aircraft for further testing. 13 YB-17s were ordered.



The B-17 went through eight major revisions in it’s carrer ending in the B-17G which is considered the definitive version. Over 12,700 B-17s were produced by a consortium of manufacturers including Boeing, Douglas and Vega. Besides it’s use as a bomber the B-17 also filled the role as maritime patrol aircraft, electronic countermeasures aircraft and search and rescue patrol craft.



What follows will be a short walk around and in tour of a B-17. Most of these pictures are of the Collings Foundation B-17 “Nine o’ Nine” A big lift of the alfa6 lid to the fine folks who posted these pictures in the alt.binaries,aviation newsgroup over the last few years.






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To: SAMWolf; Colonial Warrior; All
A salute to all the young men that the "Queen of the Skies" was not able to bring back.

Deepest Regards

alfa6 ;>}

21 posted on 08/21/2005 7:57:02 AM PDT by alfa6 (Any child of twelve can do it, with fifteen years practice)
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To: Valin
1906 Friz Freleng animator (Bugs Bunny-Emmy 1982)

Couldn't find a good pic from the 1943 Bugs short "Falling Hare"

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

22 posted on 08/21/2005 8:04:37 AM PDT by alfa6 (Any child of twelve can do it, with fifteen years practice)
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To: alfa6
Lazy Sundays are my favorite


23 posted on 08/21/2005 8:09:15 AM PDT by Undertow ("I have found some kind of temporary sanity...")
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To: Valin; All
1944 Jackie DeShannon Hazel Kentucky, singer (What the World Needs Now)

Yowzers, ah the joys of my misspent youth!!!

The fine folks over at (PowerLine Blog)have a nice review of the re-release of her 1972 album "Jackie". There are links to sound bites from the album there.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

24 posted on 08/21/2005 8:14:14 AM PDT by alfa6 (Any child of twelve can do it, with fifteen years practice)
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To: Undertow
Regarding your tagline, one question...

WHY???

Seriesly glads you like 'em :-)

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

25 posted on 08/21/2005 8:19:58 AM PDT by alfa6 (Any child of twelve can do it, with fifteen years practice)
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To: alfa6

Yowzers, ah the joys of my misspent youth!!!

Misspent youth? Not me. I was a very good boy, never did anything wrong.


that's my story and I'm stickin with it.





Jackie DeShannon, we're talkin 9.873 on the Babe-O-Meter.


26 posted on 08/21/2005 8:26:55 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: alfa6

The Army was impressed enough with the Flying Fortress that they took advantage of a loophole that allowed them to buy a small number of the second place aircraft for further testing. 13 YB-17s were ordered.

Anyone know which plane was #1?


27 posted on 08/21/2005 8:28:14 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin
By #1 I assume you are refering to the original Model 299?

The very first picture on todays thread is the 299 IIRC.

Here is a side view, hat tip to the US Air Force for the pics

I have not found a roll out pic on the web

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

28 posted on 08/21/2005 8:49:04 AM PDT by alfa6 (Any child of twelve can do it, with fifteen years practice)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery
Good morning ladies. Flag-o-Gram.



U.S. Army Capt. Charles R. Rawls shows off his father's World War II footlocker. U.S. Army photo by Sgt. 1st Class Peter Chadwick


U.S. Army Capt. Charles R. Rawls, a fire direction officer with the 3rd Battalion, 117th Field Artillery Regiment, Alabama Army National Guard, shows off his father’s World War II footlocker. Rawls, who grew up in Troy, Ala., was given the vintage box by his father before his first annual training. U.S. Army photo by Sgt. 1st Class Peter Chadwick

29 posted on 08/21/2005 9:06:00 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: alfa6

30 posted on 08/21/2005 9:07:49 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: alfa6

July 1935 roll-out of the Model 299, or XB-17, prototype at Boeing Field

31 posted on 08/21/2005 10:23:43 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.)
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To: Valin; alfa6
Anyone know which plane was #1?

If I read your question correctly I pick the Douglas DB-1.

32 posted on 08/21/2005 11:51:29 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6

33 posted on 08/21/2005 1:17:15 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: alfa6

One of the many veterans I've interviewed was a 19-year-old ball turret gunner on a B17. He said that he was always quite comfortable in his position, because the Germans would almost always attack from above, and he got a bird's eye view of all the action.

Occasionally, he'd hose down the air in front of a flitting German fighter for a second or so, but otherwise, it was just sit and gawk.

I asked him if he was ever afraid of a belly landing or somesuch, and he said one never thinks of such things when one was 19.

Oh, and the ENTIRE crew, including the pilot, was 20 years old or younger.


34 posted on 08/21/2005 2:28:02 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Grzegorz 246
That's "The Bomber" restuarant in Milwauke Oregon, about 6 miles down the road from me. :-)

The Bomber gas station was opened in 1947, and the Bomber Drive-In opened in 1948. Although the gas station closed in 1991, the original family still runs the restaurant Art Lacey's flair for serving great food has influenced today's restaurant menu.

We still offer the same wonderful hand prepared Bomber Burgers, thick shakes and home-style meals.

35 posted on 08/21/2005 2:41:06 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
I am impressed by

"The B-17 "All American" (414th Squadron, 97BG) flown by Lieutenant Kenneth R. Bragg, its tail section almost severed by a collision with an enemy fighter, flew 90 minutes back to its home base, landed safely and broke in two after landing."

The ONLY reason that machine broke apart on landing is that, notice, the rear landing wheel has been carried away, and all the weight is being put on the bottom of the rear gunner's station. The machine is not designed to do this with such structural damage. (I guess!!!!!!!!)

The rear surface control cables are remarkably tough. Two sets of overhead control cables can be seen in the waist photos. I wonder if there is another port and starboard set under the floor. Hard to see how they remained functional otherwise, the top of the fuselage is gone so far down.

Losing the port stabilizer left the starboard stabilizer functional, apparently. Cannot see how the machine could be controlled otherwise. This was designed in, otherwise impossible.

A machine designed, intended, for war. Makes the Stuka seem like a dilettante's toy.

You know, I never saw what you saw in the B-17 until today. Can't really put it into words.
36 posted on 08/21/2005 2:59:53 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: alfa6; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Nice thread for lazy Sunday. I've always liked the looks of the B-17 for its genre. Not much room inside, though!

A couple of months ago I looked out my window on the 12th floor and saw a B-17 fly by. Imagine my surprise! Turned out it was here for an air show. I'm so used to seeing jets, it was fun to watch an old four engine prop job lumber by.

I hope everyone is enjoying a lazy Sunday. Perfect weather here this weekend, mid-80's and dry. And the Broncos and Rockies both won!

37 posted on 08/21/2005 3:11:00 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Colonial Warrior
The B17 is one of my favorite aircraft

Hang around here long enough and you'll find this opinion shared by a large number of Foxhole inhabitants.

38 posted on 08/21/2005 3:12:00 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: Valin
1560 Tycho Brahe becomes interested in astronomy

Tycho Brahe

Tycho Brahe

Tycho Brahe

Tycho Brahe blev født i 1546 og døde i 1601. Søn af Otto Brahe og Beate Bille fra godset Knudstrup i Skåne. Giftede sig i 1574 med Kirsten Jørgensdatter, med hvem han fik otte børn.

I 1560 var Tycho Brahe vidne til en solformørkelse - et fænomen der vagte hans interesse for astronomi. Mellem 1662-70 rejste han til Tyskland og Schweiz for at studere astronomi, og begyndte at konstruere egne astronomiske instrumenter.

Man mente på Tycho Brahes tid at himmelverdenen var en uforanderlig størrelse, men den 11. november 1572, kom det til et brud med denne antagelse – Tycho Brahes observerede fremkomsten af en ny stjerne (en supernova) der i 18 måneder kunne iagtages i stjernebilledet Cassiopeia. Hans værk om begivenheden, De Stella Nova, gjorde ham berømt i hele Europa og dermed var astronomien grundlagt som en moderne empirisk videnskab.

Tycho Brahe fik i 1576 overdraget øen Hven af Frederik 2. Her stod han i 1580 for opførelsen af slottet Uranienborg og fire år senere observatoriet Stjerneborg.

Efter Frederik 2.s død der opstod der så store uoverensstemmelser mellem Christian 4.s regering og Tycho Brahe, at han til sidst forlod Danmark. Han rejste til Prag, hvor han arbejde sammen med Johannes Kepler, og levede som kejserlig astronom, til sin død i 1601.

Det var med udgangspunkt i Tycho Brahes observationer, at Kepler senere kunne fremføre de keplerske love der forklarer jordens og de øvrige planeters bevægelse omkring solen.


39 posted on 08/21/2005 3:24:03 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Yup, that's it.

B-18 Bolo


History
In 1934, the United States Army Air Corps put out a request for a bomber with double the bomb load and range of the Martin B-10, then the Army's standard bomber. In the evaluation at Wright Field the following year, Douglas showed its DB-1. It competed with the Boeing Model 299 (later the B-17 Flying Fortress) and Martin Model 146. While the Boeing design was clearly superior, the crash of the B-17 prototype (caused by taking off with the controls locked) removed it from consideration. The Douglas design was ordered into immediate production in January 1936 as the B-18.

The DB-1 design was essentially the same as the DC-2, with several modifications. The wingspan was 4.5 ft (1.4 m) greater. The fuselage was deeper, to better accommodate bombs and the six-member crew; the wings were fixed in the middle of the cross-section rather than to the bottom, but this was due to the deeper fuselage. Added armament included nose, dorsal, and ventral gun turrets. The bomber used two Wright R-1820-45 ‘Cyclone 9’s, of 930 hp (694 kW) each.

The initial contract called for 133 B-18s (including DB-1), using Wright radials. The last B-18 of the run, designated DB-2 by the company, had a power-operated nose turret. This design did not become standard. Additional contracts in 1937 (177 aircraft) and 1938 (40 aircraft) were for the B-18A, which had the bombardier’s position further forward over the nose-gunner's station. The B-18A also used more powerful Wright R-1820-53 engines of 1,000 hp (746 kW).

By 1940, most Army bomber squadrons were equipped with B-18s or B-18As. Many of those in the 5th Bomb Group and 11th Bomb Group in Hawaii were destroyed in the attack on Pearl Harbor.

B-17s supplanted B-18s in first-line service in 1942. Following this, 122 B-18As were modified for anti-submarine warfare. The bombardier was replaced by a search radar with a large radome. Magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) equipment was sometimes housed in a tail boom. These aircraft, designated B-18B, were used in the Caribbean on anti-submarine patrol. The Royal Canadian Air Force acquired 20 B-18As (designated the Douglas Digby Mark I), and used them for patrols also.

General Characteristics
Crew: 6
Length: 57 ft 10 in (17.6 m)
Wingspan: 89 ft 6 in (27.3 m)
Height: 15 ft 2 in (4.6 m)
Wing area: 959 ft² (89.1 m²)
Empty: 16,321 lb (7,400 kg)
Loaded: 22,123 lb (10,030 kg)
Maximum takeoff: 27,500 lb (12,600 kg)
Powerplant: 2× Wright R-1820-53, 1,000 hp (750 kW)
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Performance
Maximum speed: 215 mph (346 km/h)
Combat Range: 1,150 miles (1,850 km)
Ferry Range: 2,100 miles (3,400 km)
Service ceiling: 23,900 ft (7,280 m)
Rate of climb: 1,030 ft/min (310 m/min)
Wing loading: 23.1 lb/ft² (113 kg/m²)
Power/Mass: .090 hp/lb (.15 kW/kg)
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Armament
3× .30-calibre machine guns
4,500 lb (2,200 kg) of bombs


40 posted on 08/21/2005 3:24:32 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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