Free Republic
Browse · Search
VetsCoR
Topics · Post Article

The nose of the B-17G showing off the chin turret and the access hatch to the nose.

Port side front view

Rear port side showing the waist gun and radio operators hatch.

The tail guns, this B-17G does not have the Cheyenne tail guns.

Around to the starboard side of the B-17 showing the top and ball turrets and the right waist gun position.

The right side of the nose area.

1 posted on 08/20/2005 10:09:26 PM PDT by alfa6
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer
And now a look at the inside of the B-17
The next two pics are of the pilot and co-pilots stations.


Next up the sharp end of the B-17 where the bombadier and navigator worked. Note the chin turret sight on the right side of the nose glazing.

The navigators table with the port side cheek gun.

A part of the radio room

The interior mounting of the Sperry ball turret, note tyhe ammuntion feed boxes on each side of the turret.


2 posted on 08/20/2005 10:22:17 PM PDT by alfa6 (Any child of twelve can do it, with fifteen years practice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Colonial Warrior; texianyankee; vox_PL; Bigturbowski; ruoflaw; Bombardier; Steelerfan; ...



"FALL IN" to the FReeper Foxhole!



Good Sunday Morning Everyone.

A big thank you goes out to alfa6 for giving us a day off and doing today's thread!

If you want to be added to our ping list, let us know.


4 posted on 08/20/2005 10:40:10 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: alfa6

Do you want to know how to fly a B-17

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/B17.html


11 posted on 08/21/2005 1:00:20 AM PDT by quietolong
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: alfa6

Even though I know the B-24 carried more of a load, had a longer range, and outperformed the B-17 in many aspects, I've always just found the Flying Fortress to be a beautiful airplane. The Liberator just looked so utilitarian, but the B-17 looks so graceful. I can't even define why.


12 posted on 08/21/2005 1:11:38 AM PDT by tarawa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: alfa6
My wife's uncle was a technician in one of the Army Air Corps test crews in Seattle that flew every B-17 after they came out of the factory to ensure airworthiness and detect any manufacturing shortcomings. He loved the aircraft, but said the biggest problem was stuff left in the aircraft by the factory workers--tools, pieces of metal, and so on that could jam controls or cut wires, etc.

His life story was pretty interesting--immigrated to America, returned to Italy on a visit and put into the Italian Army under Mussolini as he had been drafted in his absence, and then finally getting back to America where he was drafted again and ended up in the Army Air Corps.

15 posted on 08/21/2005 4:47:49 AM PDT by mark502inf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: alfa6; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer; Army Air Corps; Smartass
Great thread alfa6!

The B17 is one of my favorite aircraft, and I have a lot of respect for the men who flew these fortresses into battle. Praise God we had men of this caliber and fortitude to accomplish the mission.

Incredibly, the B17 was able to withstand enormous damage and still carry its crew back home. Yet, there were tremendous losses in both men and machines.

Thank you God!


The Colonial Warrior

17 posted on 08/21/2005 6:49:32 AM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: alfa6

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on August 21:
1165 Philip II Augustus 1st great Capetian king of France (1179-1223)
1660 Hubert Gautier engineer, wrote 1st book on bridge building
1765 William IV king of England (1830-37)
1789 Augustin-Louis Baron Cauchy, French mathematician
1890 Bill Henry SF Calif, newscaster (Who Said That?)
1896 Roark Bradford writer/humorist (Ol' Man Adan an' His Chillun)
1906 William "Count" Basie jazz pianist
1906 Friz Freleng animator (Bugs Bunny-Emmy 1982)
1907 Dr Roy K Marshall Glen Carbon Ill, TV scientist (Nature of Things)
1909 C Dillon Douglas Geneva Switz, US Secretary of Treasury (1961-65)
1915 Jack Weston [Morris Weinstein], Cleveland, actor (4 Seasons, Rad)
1921 Nancy Kulp Harrisburg Pa, actress (Jane-Beverly Hillbillies)
1923 Chris Schenkel Biuppus Ind, sportscaster (Monday Night Fights)
1928 Gillian Sheen England, foils (Olympic-gold-1956)
1930 Princess Margaret England (Sister of Queen Elizabeth)
1933 Dame Janet Baker York England, mezzo-soprano (Owen Wingrave)
1936 Mart Crowley playwright (Boys in the Band)
1936 Wilt Chamberlain NBA great center (LA Laker, 5 time MVP)
1938 Kenny Rogers singer (Lady) actor (The Gambler)
1939 Clarence Williams III NYC, actor (Mod Squad, 52 Pick Up, Purple Rain)
1944 Jackie DeShannon Hazel Kentucky, singer (What the World Needs Now)
1946 Lev Alburt USSR, International Chess Master (1976)
1951 Bernhard Germeshausen German DR, bobsled (Olympic-gold-1976, 80)
1951 Harry Smith Indiana, TV host (CBS Morning Show)
1953 Joe Strummer [John Mellor], rocker (Clash-Rock the Casbah)
1956 Kim Cattrall Liverpool England, actress (Mannequin, Star Trek VI)
1957 Janice Thomas WBL guard (NY Stars)
1957 Kim Sledge Phila, vocalist (Sister Sledge-We are Family)
1959 Jim McMahon NFL QB (Chicago Bears, SD Chargers, Phila Eagles)
1962 Matthew Broderick actor (Ferris Buehler, Biloxi Blues)
1967 Michael Bendetti actor (Officer Tony McCann-21 Jump Street)



Deaths which occurred on August 21:
1940 Leon Trotsky dies of wounds inflicted by an assailant the day before
1958 Walter Schumann choral director (Ford Show), dies at 44
1971 George Jackson killed in a prison break attempt
1982 Benigno S Aquino Jr Philippines opposition leader, killed in Manila


Take A Moment To Remember
GWOT Casualties

Iraq
21-Aug-2003 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Lieutenant Kylan A. Jones-Huffman Al Hillah - Babil Hostile - hostile fire
US Private 1st Class Michael S. Adams Baghdad Non-hostile - building fire

21-Aug-2004 7 | US: 6 | UK: 0 | Other: 1
POL Private 1st Class Krystian Andrzejczak Al Hillah (near) - Babil Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb
US Gunnery Sergeant Edward T. Reeder Al Anbar Province Non-hostile - vehicle accident
US Private 1st Class Nachez Washalanta Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US Lance Corporal Seth Huston Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US Sergeant Jason Cook Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US Corporal Nicanor Alvarez Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US Private 1st Class Kevin A. Cuming Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack


Afghanistan
A GOOD DAY

http://icasualties.org/oif/
Data research by Pat Kneisler
Designed and maintained by Michael White
//////////
Go here and I'll stop nagging.
http://www.taps.org/
(subtle hint SEND MONEY)


On this day...
1129 Yoritomo becomes Shogun of Japan
1560 Tycho Brahe becomes interested in astronomy
1680 Pueblo Indians took possession of Santa F‚ from Spanish
1808 Battle of Vimiero Portugal. Duke of Wellington defeats the French
1831 Nat Turner slave revolt kills 55 (Southampton County, Virginia)
1841 John Hampson patents venetian blind
1858 1st Lincoln-Douglas debate (Illinois)
1864 General A.P. Hill attacks Union troops south of Petersburg, Va.
1878 American Bar Association organizes at Sarasota, NY
1883 Providence shuts out Phillies 28-0
1887 Mighty (Dan) Casey Struck-out in a game with the NY Giants!
1901 Joe McGinnity, suspended from NL for punching & spitting on an ump
1922 Curly Lambeau & Green Bay Football Club granted NFL franchise
1926 White Sox Ted Lyons no hits Red Sox 6-0 in just 67 minutes at Fenway
1927 4th Pan-African Congress meets (NYC)
1929 Chicago Cardinals become 1st pro football team to train out of town
1931 Babe Ruth hits his 600th HR (Yanks beat Browns 11-7)
1942 U.S. Marines defeat Japanese ground Battle of Tenaru Guadalcanal
1944 Dumbarton Oaks conference opens in Washington, DC; establishes UN
1945 Pres Truman ends Lend-Lease program
1949 NY Giants beat Phillies on a forfeit, due to fan's throwing debris
1953 Marion Carl in Douglas Skyrocket reaches record 25,370 m
1958 KUT-FM in Austin Texas begins radio transmissions

1959 Hawaii becomes 50th US state

1963 Martial law declared in S Vietnam
1965 Gemini 5 launched into Earth orbit (crewed by Gordon Cooper & Charles "Pete" Conrad)
1968 After 5 years Russia once again jams Voice of America radio
1968 Democratic Convention opens in Chicago
1968 Radio Prague (Czech) at 12:50 AM announces a soviet led invasion. Warsaw Pact forces enter Czechoslovakia to end reform movement
1968 William Dana reaches 80 km (last high-altitude X-15 flight)
1972 1st hot air balloon flight over the Alps
1972 US orbiting astronomy observatory Copernicus launched
1975 Kathleen Ann Soliah (later known as Sarah Jane Olson, AKA Our Little Terrorist) and other members of the SLA placed 2 pipe bombs under parked police cars at an Int'l. House of Pancakes on Sunset Blvd. They did not explode.
Olson was convicted and sentenced in 2002 to 20 years to life in prison and was then arraigned with 3 others for the Apr 21 murder of Myrna Opsahl.
1975 Rick & Paul Reuschel become 1st brothers to pitch a combined shut out
1976 Al Bumbry hits the 17th inside-the-park HR in Oriole history
1977 Donna Patterson Brice sets high speed water skiing rec (111.11 mph)
1982 Palestinian terrorists are dispersed from Beirut
1982 Rollie Fingers (Brewers) becomes 1st pitcher to get save #300
1985 Mary Decker Slaney runs mile in world record 4:16.71
1986 Lake Nios Volcanic eruption in Cameroon releases poison gas, killing 1,746
1986 Red Sox Spike Owens scores 6 runs in a 24-5 rout of Cleve Indians
1986 With 2 outs in the 6th inning, The Red Sox score 11 runs
1987 "Mack Lobell" set harness racing's trotting mil (1:52)
1987 Clayton Lonetree, 1st marine court-martialed for spying, convicted
1988 Cease fire between Iran & Iraq takes effect after 8 years of war
1989 Voyager 2 begins a flyby of the planet Neptune
1991 Communist coup is crushed in USSR in 2 days
1992 US marshals move onto the property of Randy Weaver in Ruby Ridge, Idaho in an attempt to serve an arrest warrant on Randy Weaver on weapons charges. 11 days later Weaver’s 14-year old son, Sammy dead, Randy Weaver's wife dead, US Marshall Bill Degan dead.
1992 SErb soldiers separat over 200 men, mostly Croats and Muslims, from a convoy of civilians. They are later found shot
1996 Police in Oulu, Finland unveil a 3-foot harpoon to stop runaway drivers.
1999 St. Pierre-de-Trivisy town council, home of Roquefort cheese, imposed a 100% tax on Coca Cola in retaliation for American tariffs on European goods
2001 The CIA place Khalid Al-Midhar and Nawaf Alhazmi under suspicion as part of the investigation in the bombing of the destroyer Cole in Yemen. The 2 were among the hijackers who commandeered the jet that hit the Pentagon on Sep 11
2003 Alabama's top judge, Chief Justice Roy Moore, refuses to back down in his fight to keep a Ten Commandments monument and lashed out at his colleagues who ordered it removed from the rotunda of the state judicial building.
2003 US military reports Ali Hassan al-Majid, No. 5 on the list of most-wanted Iraqis, has been captured
2004 Iraq celebrates their national soccer team's startling 1-0 victory over Australia in the Olympic quarterfinal
2017 Next total solar eclipse visible from North America


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Hawaii : Admission Day (1959)
Weird Contest Week (Day 6)
Elvis International Tribute Week Ends
Sit Back and Relax Day
National Peach Month


Religious Observances
RC : Commemoration of St Jane Frances Fr‚miot de Chantal, widow
RC : Memorial of Pius X, pope (1903-14)


Religious History
1245 Alexander of Hales, 59, died. An English scholastic theologian, Alexander is regarded as the founder of the Franciscan school of theology.
1799 Birth of Alexander R. Reinagle, English church organist. He penned many sacred compositions, including ST. PETER, which afterward became the melody to the hymn, "In Christ There is No East or West."
1866 Birth of Civilla D. Martin, teacher and songwriter, in Nova Scotia. A pastor's wife, she penned in 1904 the hymn, "Be Not Dismayed, Whate'er Betide" (a.k.a. "God Will Take Care of You").
1874 Popular 19th century preacher Henry Ward Beecher (1813-1887) was accused by Theodore Tilton of committing adultery with his wife. The resulting trial ended in a 9-3 hung jury decision, in Beecher's favor.
1930 Pioneer linguistic educator Frank C. Laubach wrote in a letter: 'If this entire universe has a desperate need of love to incarnate itself, then "important duties" which keep us from helping little people are not duties but sins.'

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Fisherman nets wallet lost by boater 39 years ago
AP

BOSTON -- Back in 1966, James Lubeck bent over to secure his sailboat against a gathering storm and his wallet slipped from his back pocket into Marblehead Harbor. The wallet and the credit cards inside were seemingly gone forever.

Then Lubeck got word recently about a mind-boggling discovery: A fisherman had hauled in the wallet's sheath of credit cards in a netful of cod, flounder and haddock.
"I can't find the adjectives" Lubeck, 74, said in an interview Friday. "I don't know how many people would have done that."

Fisherman Antonino Randazzo hauled in the catch in June roughly 25 miles from where Lubeck lost the wallet. The sheath was caked in mud, but the 10 to 12 credit and identification cards were in pristine condition.
"It is incredible,'' he said. ''Life is full of mysteries."
Randazzo, 44, said he initially feared the wallet belonged to someone who was lost at sea, but when he looked at the cards, he noticed that the expiration dates were from the late 1960s.

The only Lubeck listed in the Marblehead phone book was a Jonathan. Randazzo called and nervously inquired whether James Lubeck was home. He was relieved to learn from James Lubeck's daughter-in-law that he was alive and living in Connecticut.
Later, when Lubeck got a call from his son about the recovered wallet, he initially had no idea what he was talking about. He eventually recalled the details -- and the $300 in expense checks that had been lost with the wallet.
"Thirty-nine years ago, $300 was a lot of money," he said.

The checks, cash and leather of the wallet are gone, but the value of the find isn't in what was recovered, but what happened afterward, Lubeck said.
"It's the idea that somebody reached out," Lubeck said. "And the puzzlement of that moving so many miles."


Thought for the day :
"The people don't take baths and they don't speak English. No golf courses, no room service. Who needs it?"
Jim McMahon
(on Europe)


19 posted on 08/21/2005 7:42:29 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: alfa6
Lazy Sundays are my favorite


23 posted on 08/21/2005 8:09:15 AM PDT by Undertow ("I have found some kind of temporary sanity...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: alfa6

The Army was impressed enough with the Flying Fortress that they took advantage of a loophole that allowed them to buy a small number of the second place aircraft for further testing. 13 YB-17s were ordered.

Anyone know which plane was #1?


27 posted on 08/21/2005 8:28:14 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: alfa6

One of the many veterans I've interviewed was a 19-year-old ball turret gunner on a B17. He said that he was always quite comfortable in his position, because the Germans would almost always attack from above, and he got a bird's eye view of all the action.

Occasionally, he'd hose down the air in front of a flitting German fighter for a second or so, but otherwise, it was just sit and gawk.

I asked him if he was ever afraid of a belly landing or somesuch, and he said one never thinks of such things when one was 19.

Oh, and the ENTIRE crew, including the pilot, was 20 years old or younger.


34 posted on 08/21/2005 2:28:02 PM PDT by warchild9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
VetsCoR
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson