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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - The British Valentine Tank Feb. 14, 2006
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Posted on 02/13/2006 8:35:48 PM PST by alfa6



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THE VALENTINE TANK



Based on the A10 Cruiser tank, the Valentine was privately designed by the Vickers-Armstrong corporation (hence its lack of an "A" designation) and was submitted to the War Office on February 14, 1938. Like many other projects, the Valentine was rushed into production following the loss of nearly all of Britain's equipment during the evacuation at Dunkirk.

Several versions exist concerning the source of the name Valentine. The most popular one says that the design was presented to the War Office at St. Valentine's Day (February 14). Some sources, however, claim that the exact date the design was submitted was February 10. According to other version, the tank was called Valentine in honor of Sir John Valentine Carden, the man who led the development of the A10 and many other Vickers vehicles. Yet another version says that Valentine is an acronym for Vickers-Armstrong Ltd Elswick & Newcastle-upon-Tyne.



The War Office was initially deterred by the size of the turret and the crew compartment. However, concerned by the situation in Europe, it finally approved the design in April 1939. The vehicle reached trials in May 1940, which coincided with the loss of nearly all of Britain's equipment during the evacuation at Dunkirk. The trials were successfull and the vehicle was rushed into production as Infantry Tank III Valentine.

The Valentine remained in production until April 1944, becoming Britain's most mass produced tank during the war with 6855 units manufactured in the UK (by Vickers, Metropolitan-Cammell Carriage and Wagon and Birmingham Railway Carriage and Wagon) and further 1420 in Canada. They were the Commonwealth's main export to the Soviet Union under the Lend-lease Act, with 2394 of the British models being sent and 1388 of the Canadian (the remaining 30 were kept for training).



The Valentine was Britain's most mass produced tank during the war, having manufactured 6855 and a further 1420 in Canada. They were the Commonwealth's main export to the Soviet Union under the Lend-lease Act, with 2394 of the British models being sent and 1388 of the Canadian (the remaining 30 were kept for training). In Soviet service, they were quite popular due to their small size, reliability, and generally good armour protection. In Soviet service, the Valentine was used from the Battle of Moscow until the end of the war. It was employed mostly on the southern fronts, both because of the proximity to the Persian supply route and in order to avoid using the tank in very cold climate. Although criticized for its speed and its weak gun, the Valentine was liked due to its small size, reliability and generally good armour protection.

The Valentine was something of an oddity, having the weight and size of a cruiser tank, but the armour and speed of an infantry tank. Though its armour was still weaker than the Matilda and, due to its weaker engine, it shared the same top speed, its high reliability and lower cost kept it in the war.



By 1944, in the European Theater of Operations the Valentine was almost competely replaced in the frontline units by the Churchill and the US-made Sherman. In the Pacific the tank was employed in limited numbers at least until May 1945.

There were 12 variants of the Valentine as follows:



Valentine I (350)
The first model of the Valentine, it was not sent out due to problems from rushed production. It was equipped with a 2 pdr. gun and a coaxial machine gun. Its cramped turret forced the commander to also act as the guns loader. It used a 135 hp gasoline engine.

Valentine II (700)
This model used a 131 hp diesel engine in order to increase its range. It first saw combat during Operation Crusader, at which point it began to replace the Matilda.

Valentine III
A larger turret was installed, allowing the addition of a dedicated loader to ease the duties of the commander.

Valentine IV
A II using an American 138hp GMC diesel engine. Though it had slightly lower range, it was more silent and reliable.

Valentine V
Valentine III with the American GMC engine.



Valentine VI
A Valentine built solely in Canada. It used a cast hull and a Browning machine gun in place of the Besa.

Valentine VII
Improved version of the VI- it had jettisonable fuel tanks, new tracks and an expanded turret similar to the III. Also built only in Canada.

Valentine VIII
A III upgraded with the QF 6 pdr gun. In order to fit it, the coaxial machine gun and the loader crewmember had to be removed. The side armour was made thinner to reduce weight.

Valentine IX
A V upgraded to the 6 pdr. gun. Similar reductions as the VIII.

Valentine X
A new turret design and better 165hp GMC engine. A coaxial machine gun could be fitted again. Also used welded construction.

Valentine XI
An X upgraded with the OQF 75mm gun. Only served as a command tank.



Valentine DD
Valentines fitted with Straussler's Duplex Drive. Used by crews in training for the Sherman DD's of the Normandy Landings.


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To: alfa6; All

Great thread....bump.

Hello to my FRiends in the Foxhole.


21 posted on 02/13/2006 11:00:45 PM PST by indcons (For a definition of "dhimmi," visit http://www.dhimmi.org/)
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To: alfa6

Good morning and Happy Valentine's Day and ((HUGS)) to everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.


22 posted on 02/14/2006 3:02:51 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: alfa6

HEY!

I have one of those!


23 posted on 02/14/2006 4:35:47 AM PST by The Mayor ( Check out my site http://www.rusthompson.com/HomeImprovementandRemodelingTips.html)
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To: alfa6

February 14, 2006

The Greatest Thing In The World

Read:
1 Corinthians 13:1-13

Now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. —1 Corinthians 13:13

Bible In One Year: Leviticus 15-16; Matthew 27:1-26

cover Well-known scientist and writer Henry Drummond (1857-1897) conducted a geological survey of South Africa and wrote what was then the definitive work on tropical Africa. But he is best remembered for his book about love, The Greatest Thing In The World.

Drummond wrote, "As memory scans the past, above and beyond all the transitory pleasures of life, there leap forward those supreme hours when you have been enabled to do unnoticed kindnesses to those round about you, things too trifling to speak about . . . . And these seem to be the things which alone of all one's life abide."

Paul warned that impressive gifts and spectacular deeds may be little more than empty noise (1 Corinthians 13:1). Our best efforts—if bereft of love—ring hollow. "Though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, . . . but have not love, it profits me nothing" (v.3). The smallest loving act can hold eternal significance.

No matter our age or status in life, we all can strive to love others as God loves them. We may accomplish great things in our life—gain fame and fortune—but the greatest thing is to love. For of all that we have done, or ever will do, only love endures. We depart, but love abides. —David Roper

We love because He first loved us,
He gave so we can give;
We love because He first touched us,
He died so we can live. —Sper

Now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. —1 Corinthians 13:13

FOR FURTHER STUDY
What Is Real Love?

24 posted on 02/14/2006 4:36:12 AM PST by The Mayor ( Check out my site http://www.rusthompson.com/HomeImprovementandRemodelingTips.html)
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Good morning ladies and gents. Flag-o-Gram.


25 posted on 02/14/2006 5:33:47 AM PST by Professional Engineer (It's a bunch of hot air, crap flows down hill, and electrons go wherever they darn well please.)
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26 posted on 02/14/2006 5:36:53 AM PST by bittygirl (The Gickie Monster)
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To: bittygirl

Good morning bittygirl, have not seen your tank in a while

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


27 posted on 02/14/2006 5:39:00 AM PST by alfa6
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To: bittygirl

Happy Valentines Day bittygirl!


28 posted on 02/14/2006 5:57:45 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Darksheare

The Beatles appeared with a Centurion MBT in "Help". :-)

29 posted on 02/14/2006 6:33:01 AM PST by SAMWolf (I won't rise to the occasion, but I'll slide over to it.)
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To: alfa6

Valentine Tank with flotation skirt raised


Valentine tanks landing on a beach with flotation skirts lowered

Thanks alfa6, very appropriate.

An unusual dive in the Moray Firth can be had on one of the Valentine Tanks which were lost during practices and rehearsals for the D-Day Landings in Normandy. At the time the “amphibious tank” was a closely guarded secret and secret trials were carried out on beaches that resembled the ones in Normandy at Poole in Dorset and Findhorn in Moray.

The Valentine tank was fitted with a duplex drive and renamed the Valentine Duplex Drive Amphibious Tank. The ability for a tank to cross rivers and to land on beaches from landing craft positioned offshore to take the enemy by surprise was appealing to the Army so the trials were undertaken.

Needless to say there were casualties; some didn’t float and sank immediately, some didn’t drive the propeller and foundered in rough seas. Their misfortunes provide a different dive for us now. Losses totaled around eight tanks at Poole and around eight at Findhorn. Due to secrecy at the time of their loss the positions of them all have never been recorded and only two have been found at Findhorn. One life was lost at Findhorn and the tank off Findhorn Bay estuary must be considered a war grave. The other tank lies in Burghead Bay and is not easy to find even with the GPS position. Bear in mind you are looking for an object the size of a transit van in 12m and be prepared to carry out a systematic echo sounder search.

The Findhorn tank lies on a flat sandy seabed in about 12m of water at position N57 41.725 W003 31.324 GPS. The tank is starting to get a bit battered so please avoid anchoring into it. The site can be affected by tidal streams especially during spring tides - these shouldn’t affect experienced divers but care should be exercised with trainees.

The wreck harbors a variety of marine life with a couple of congers, large cod beneath the tank, edible and hermit crabs, the occasional lobster and lumpsucker as well as many smaller creatures. Go slow and stick your nose in all the nooks and crannies and enjoy this unusual dive. Its depth makes an ideal second or even third dive.

30 posted on 02/14/2006 6:38:18 AM PST by SAMWolf (I won't rise to the occasion, but I'll slide over to it.)
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To: alfa6

This doesn't look like something I'd like to try in any kind of sea, much less the swells they had on D-Day.

31 posted on 02/14/2006 6:44:38 AM PST by SAMWolf (I won't rise to the occasion, but I'll slide over to it.)
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32 posted on 02/14/2006 6:46:44 AM PST by SAMWolf (I won't rise to the occasion, but I'll slide over to it.)
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To: PzLdr
The movie was "HELP!".The tank was, I believe, a variant in the Centurion series.

Beat me to it. :-(

33 posted on 02/14/2006 6:48:02 AM PST by SAMWolf (In some cultures what I do would be considered normal.)
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To: PAR35
The Bishop has to be the ugliest piece of armor ever built. It has no visible redeeming charecteristics.

I figure the Soviet KV II gets that honor, the Bishop was just a Brit "Knock off" ;-)

34 posted on 02/14/2006 6:52:16 AM PST by SAMWolf (In some cultures what I do would be considered normal.)
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To: bittygirl; Professional Engineer; Peanut Gallery; alfa6; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; w_over_w; ...

~My Funny Valentine~


35 posted on 02/14/2006 7:57:52 AM PST by Soaring Feather (~www.proudpatriots.org~Supporting Our TROOPS~)
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To: bittygirl

YAY, Bittygirl, you go girl!!


36 posted on 02/14/2006 7:58:56 AM PST by Soaring Feather (~www.proudpatriots.org~Supporting Our TROOPS~)
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Happy Valentines Day Foxhole!


37 posted on 02/14/2006 8:43:23 AM PST by w_over_w (Don't tell me to go to your BLOG . . . just tell me how your day was.)
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To: w_over_w

ROTFLOLOL!!!


Hilarious, snippy! *HUGS*


38 posted on 02/14/2006 8:44:41 AM PST by Soaring Feather (~www.proudpatriots.org~Supporting Our TROOPS~)
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To: SAMWolf
I figure the Soviet KV II gets that honor, the Bishop was just a Brit "Knock off" ;-)

The Bishop still gets my vote for two articulable reasons. First, the road wheels on the Russian tank match. The mis-matched road wheels on the Bishop (as on most of the tanks of the series) give it a 'thrown together' look that is missing from the Russian machine. Second, the armored box on top is so grossly disproportionate to the bottom on the Bishop. The Russian tank has a certain funtional ugliness, but Bishop lacks utilitarian elegance.

39 posted on 02/14/2006 9:25:48 AM PST by PAR35
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To: w_over_w

LOL!

xoxoxo


40 posted on 02/14/2006 9:38:40 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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