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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Fighting the Kamikazes (1944-1945) - May 23rd, 2003
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/wwii/facts/kamikaze.txt ^ | CE1 Robert A. Germinsky, USNR

Posted on 05/23/2003 5:37:11 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: snippy_about_it
One is home now after serving on B-1's. He gave me a flag he carried on his first mission along with one of the JDAM arming pins. Needless to say they will soon be framed and hung on the wall. Our other son is still in Mosul and says he may be home in time to see the World Series.
41 posted on 05/23/2003 7:40:42 AM PDT by ladtx ("...the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country." D. MacArthur)
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To: snippy_about_it
Did WWII Kamikaze Pilots Differ From Palestinian, Al Qaeda Killers?

Mark Litke

CHIRAN, Japan, Dec. 28 — It all took place more than a half-century ago, but the images have an eerie similarity to Sept. 11, 2001, as does the shock of those who witnessed the attacks.

"One-third of the men on the ship were lost," retired U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Robert H. Spiro Jr. recalled of one attack. "So, it was personally devastating. It was heartrending. At the same end, for a few hours we saw blood. The ship was on fire. We thought the bow was going to break off."

The similarities don't end with the images and emotions. Looking back at Japan's infamous kamikaze, they seem more related to the pilots of al Qaeda than most Japanese today would like to admit.

They were fanatically devoted to their emperor, who was considered a god at the time. They were motivated by self-righteous anger against the West.

"Many Japanese do believe that they fought a just war," said Gregory Clark, president of Tama University in Japan. "[They believe] that they were fighting under extreme odds. And that anything was justified in the attempt to win this war, in which they were clearly the weaker power. And that included using kamikaze."

‘No Other Way to Fight Back’

More than 5,000 kamikaze died before the end of the war, and 20,000 were still awaiting missions. But a handful who did take off on suicide missions are still alive today.

"We had no other way to fight back," said Kenichiro Onuki, a volunteer who crash-landed before reaching his target. "This was the only way to prevent the U.S. military from advancing into our homeland."

Another survivor, Kensuke Kunuki, said through a translator: "I had no fear. I wanted to sacrifice my life."

Kunuki suffered terrible burns when his plane was forced down by mechanical problems. He said his first thought at the time was that he wanted to try again because he hadn't killed any Americans.

‘They Were Not Fanatics’

In a new book on the kamikaze, Hideaki Kase, an outspoken Japanese nationalist, said there was no truth to the wartime propaganda that portrayed the kamikaze as a fanatical cult. He says they were no different than American youths who gave their lives in desperate military campaigns.

"They were not fanatics," Kase said. "They were not brainwashed. They were ordinary, young kids."

Even today, he says, the West has difficulty grasping the notion that suicide is a noble act in some cultures.

"Suicide can be honorable, positive, if that act was committed for the family or for the community or for the motherland," Kase said, adding that "patriotism — yes, patriotism" drove the kamikaze pilots.

Years Later, Heroic Depictions

Patriots? Immediately after the war, a demoralized Japan saw the kamikaze as symbols of military madness. The very word "kamikaze" became a synonym for crazy, reckless behavior.

Yet few Japanese could ignore the fact that the kamikaze spirit was deeply ingrained in the Japanese psyche — duty, loyalty, sacrifice for the good of the group. Half a century later, the kamikaze are no longer viewed in such black-and-white terms.

Rare color images of the suicide attacks from American archives are now included on popular videos in Japan. They are among a flood of retrospective books, documentaries and commercial films that portray the kamikaze more heroically.

Most of the kamikaze took off on their one-way missions from bases on Japan's southernmost island of Kyushu, and the largest base was in the town of Chiran.

Today, Chiran has become a testament to Japan's renewed fascination with the suicide pilots. It's now home to the country's largest kamikaze museum, which attracts nearly 1 million visitors a year. Many are moved to tears by the haunting faces of the boys about to die and the emotional poems and farewell letters they wrote.

"At the moment of death," a visitor remarked, "they must have been calling out for their mothers."

The museum has become a favorite of Japanese nationalists, who want Japan to stop apologizing for the war and to build a strong military again. For them, the kamikaze embodied Japan's samurai warrior spirit and should be idolized.

‘They Could Not Back Down’

That's exactly what Akihisa Torihama hopes will never happen. He is the grandson of Tore Torihama, a woman once called the kamikaze's "mama-san." She ran a small restaurant in Chiran where many of the pilots had their last meals and confided all the things they could not say in their heavily censored letters home.

"My grandmother told me the boys knew the war was lost, knew their lives were being thrown away by their commanders," he said through a translator. "They flew their missions because the social pressures on them were so great, they could not back down."

Today, he has transformed the old restaurant into an alternative kamikaze museum, to keep alive the message passed on by his grandmother — that the suicide pilots were not heroes, but the victims of fanaticism.

And what's the verdict of the surviving kamikaze? Kuniki says he has no regrets.

"My nation and my family were in danger," he said. "History will judge if we were right or wrong."

But Onuki said it was wrong to waste so many young lives.

"Yes, we volunteered, but we were ordered to volunteer," he said. "It could have taken real courage to disobey that order."

‘Not a Single Civilian’

The surviving kamikaze, like most Japanese, bristle at suggestions that the kamikaze were the same as the al Qaeda suicide pilots.

"They killed only military personnel," Kase said. "Not a single civilian."

That distinction is not lost on Spiro, who as an American sailor who faced the kamikaze in combat.

"At least it was a military tactic and they were not attacking our wives, children, friends, mothers," Spiro said.

Still, there's no question that recent events have cast Japan's suicide pilots and their motivations in a very new light.

I don't buy the comparison.
Purposely killing women and children civilains and reveling in it, is no way near like the Japanese Kamikazes. The motives where entirely different and the Japanese used it as a desparate military measure, not as a way to get "72 virgins to deflower" in some bullsh*t version of Heaven.

42 posted on 05/23/2003 7:45:39 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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To: ladtx
Glad to hear your son is home and safe. I'll say a prayer for your other son's safe return.

Thank them for their service from us at the Foxhole.
43 posted on 05/23/2003 7:51:18 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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To: SAMWolf
Great job on the thread. I'm in awe of the men who endured such attacks. I never knew that there were so many Kamikazes. I had always assumed that they were somewhat rare. To think that there were 355 Kamikaze sorties in at two day period, April 6-7, 1945, just boggles the mind.

I appreciate your work on this thread bringing us some history that is, if not forgotten, largely misunderstood.

Unfortunately, today, it is also topical.


44 posted on 05/23/2003 8:03:44 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: Johnny Gage
I seem to recall that the Val Dive Bombers used for Kamikaze attacks had undercarriage that would fall off during take-off, increasing the speed and range of the aircraft by eliminating the fixed and spatted gear.
45 posted on 05/23/2003 8:05:47 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: gridlock
Thank you Gridlock for suggesting the topic.
46 posted on 05/23/2003 8:11:14 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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To: SAMWolf
The first real public outcry about Japanism and the way Japanese were being indoctrinated came from B.H. Chamberlain, who translated The Kojiki. He sounded the alarm at a lecture in London in 1912. He was outraged by the cavalier fashion with which mid-Meiji power elites treated Japanese history. Samurai “traditions,” for example, were being portrayed as an ancient moral system, but in fact no one had even heard of bushidô until around 1900.

Bushidô is best understood as blind obedience to one's feudal Lord, a pervasive and dominant mode of thought which had never been codified. Rather, the most psychotic elements of Japanese warlord behavior were later drawn together and popularized in the late 19th century to assist in indoctrinating the new Imperial Japanese Army.

47 posted on 05/23/2003 8:16:40 AM PDT by Mortimer Snavely (Is anyone else tired of reading these tag lines?)
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To: SAMWolf
More light. Thanks.
48 posted on 05/23/2003 8:37:22 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: SAMWolf
bump
49 posted on 05/23/2003 8:38:14 AM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant (OSAMA SAYS VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: Johnny Gage
I fly in the virtual world of Warbirds III. This is an on line game where people fly WWII ventage aircraft. I think most people who do this are over 30 with a lot of real pilots participating. I think 1/3 of my virtual squadron members are current pilots. IEN goes to a lot of trouble to get the flight models right. And yes the Val is not an easy aircraft to deal with. It can out manuver any allied fighter but just doesn't have the firepower or speed. You learn you can't dogfight it at low altitudes. If you are interested in that sort of thing, take a look at WBIII on the internet. The participation is world wide.
50 posted on 05/23/2003 8:53:57 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (Served in Korea, Vietnam and still fighting America's enemies on Home Front)
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Thanks fo rthe background, Mortimer Snavely. I know very little about Japanese history before the 2nd World War.
51 posted on 05/23/2003 8:57:36 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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To: SAMWolf
Wasn't it a Kaiten that nailed the U.S.S. Indianapolis?
52 posted on 05/23/2003 9:00:05 AM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: SAMWolf
I lived over there on the economy for a long time. Beautiful country, basically nice people, good beer, good bar food, beautiful women, but they are sadly among the most ill-governed folks I know. Still into collectivism as normal. Part of that requires an ignorance of history which I think is only matched over here.
53 posted on 05/23/2003 9:35:12 AM PDT by Mortimer Snavely (Is anyone else tired of reading these tag lines?)
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To: U S Army EOD
I got into European Air War a while back. Found out real quick that I "lose" my targets too often. Colorblind does not make for easy plane tracking against the ground. That and I wasn't a very good pilot. Still do ok against the AI but multiplay was a disaster for me. Did a lot better as a Tanker in Panzer Elite. I became very very good at the ambush.
54 posted on 05/23/2003 9:49:15 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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To: Darksheare
On 30 July 1945, while sailing from Guam to Leyte, Indianapolis was torpedoed by Japanese submarine I-58. The ship capsized and sank in twelve minutes.

There's a thread coming up in the USS Indianapolis.g

55 posted on 05/23/2003 9:51:26 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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To: Mortimer Snavely
It's a shame. I remember reading about the controversy some Professor had in getting the real version of WWII included in the text books.
56 posted on 05/23/2003 9:52:57 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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To: SAMWolf
OKers.
57 posted on 05/23/2003 9:57:25 AM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Darksheare
No Problem. I had to look it up to make sure.
58 posted on 05/23/2003 10:08:19 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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To: SAMWolf
http://www.njnm.com/exhibits.html
Link to the New Jersey Naval Museum.
They have a Kaiten II on display, and an article towards the middle of teh page about some of the former drivers of a Kaiten II visiting the museum.
They never went out, Japan surrendered before their chance came.
59 posted on 05/23/2003 10:17:38 AM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Darksheare
Thanks Darksheare.

Good story. Here are some people that are alive today because we dropped two bombs on Japan
60 posted on 05/23/2003 10:30:38 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up!)
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