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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Vicksburg Campaign (March - July, 1863) - July 15th, 2003
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Posted on 07/15/2003 12:01:05 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: SAMWolf
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Coffee & Donuts J
41 posted on 07/15/2003 9:19:47 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (~~~ http://www.ourgangnet.net ~~~~~)
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To: SAMWolf
It was overshawdowed by the events at Gettysburg and doesn't get the attention it deserves in most school history courses.

Yep. The north avoided losing the war at Gettysburg but won the war by seizing the west.

I also enjoy the story of the Grierson raid where the Union cavalry rode out of camp north of Vicksburg and rode across Mississippi destroying supplies and tearing up railroad, riding back into the Union lines at Baton Rouge. It was made into a middling John Ford/Wayne movie, "The Horse Soldiers." One line from that movie always cracks me up. The lady who owns the plantation house that Wayne made his headquarters is serving the officers a fried chicken dinner, leans over the gentlemen showing a bit of cleavage and asks, "breast or thigh?" John Wayne and Bill Holden exchange knowing looks.

42 posted on 07/15/2003 9:26:23 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Darksheare
does your recipe include instructions for floating an anvil in each pot?????

free the southland,sw

43 posted on 07/15/2003 9:42:48 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
hurrah for the ONION.

the presence of a scalawag on FR makes decent southrons gag.

free dixie,sw

44 posted on 07/15/2003 10:44:44 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SAMWolf
Just popping in to say hello. I've been to Vicksburg many times and attended a Civil War reenactment there once. I'll be back later to read your thread.
45 posted on 07/15/2003 11:04:22 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: stand watie; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; bentfeather
OKay:
In one 12 cup drip percolator, fill pot to 6 cup mark.
In teh filter housing, put 6 heaping scoops (standard size, heaping about 1 inch above rim.) into filter, add a small pinch of salt.
Let brew, recirculate if necessary.
(Or feeling very brave.)

I usually put about 8 sugars and creamer into it, so it's very strong and very sweet. (Was told by an eastern european that my coffee is reminiscent of Russian Kava..)

I usually prefer an already brutal roast, but often have to settle for some weaker stuff like Folger's medium roast.
Usually due to the rip-off prices that NY charges for coffee.
So do be mindful of the roast you choose to attempt this with.

So far I've not been able to float anvils in it, but there's been more than one navay type that's shied away from my coffee.
As well as a few Columbians my father is friends with.
They say that my coffee is 'death in the pot'.
46 posted on 07/15/2003 11:08:11 AM PDT by Darksheare ("A Predator's Eyes Are Always In Front.")
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To: stand watie; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; bentfeather
Oops..
navay = NAVY

and no, my heart hasn't exploded yet, but I've been told they can hear my heart racing from where they are.
47 posted on 07/15/2003 11:50:28 AM PDT by Darksheare ("A Predator's Eyes Are Always In Front.")
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To: SAMWolf
Present!
48 posted on 07/15/2003 12:20:31 PM PDT by manna
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To: SAMWolf
Greetings everyone. Happy Tuesday!


Air Power
Messerschmitt Me-262 "Sturmvogel" or "Schwabe"

In the pre-nuclear, pre-terrorist days of warfare, when many battling nations were technological equals, overwhelming mass was an irresistible determiner of outcome. For a single nation to twice take on the modern world within a 20-year period, there must be a high level of self-delusion, if not madness, in the highest ranks of government, especially when it was still staggering from the effects of losing the first try. None-the-less, Nazi Germany did exactly that, and no amount of technological ingenuity could alter that fact, as the history of the Messerschmitt Me 262, the first turbojet to be used in combat, dramatically illustrates. Had the aircraft been introduced in large numbers in 1939, it is conceivable that the "Battle of Britain" might have ended as Hitler envisioned, while the United States, had it become involved, would have had to fight an aerial war from across the Atlantic, and every pub in England would today be known as "die Bierstube." Perhaps.

In fact, the Me 262 began as a preliminary design in 1939, without the engines needed to make it fly. Thus, the first prototype flew in 1941 with a 700hp Jumo 210G piston engine, and not the planned BMW 003 turbojet engines.

The early prototypes were fitted with conventional tail wheels. However, this configuration made takeoffs highly dangerous, so a fully retractable tricycle landing gear modification became the standard. The Me 262A-1a "Schwalbe" ("Swallow") was the first production model of the Me 262. It was produced with four Mk 108 30mm cannon mounted in the nose, in its role as an interceptor, a role that it performed with great promise except for several limiting factors: First, it came into the battle far too late, when the Allied air forces had reached formidable capacity; secondly, its engines were a constant source of trouble, frequently failing after no more than 12 hours; third, it was utilized inappropriately for far too long, after Hitler decided that the machine should be used in a bombing capacity, to "punish" the Allies. That version, the Me 262A-2a "Sturmvogel" ("Stormbird") was reconfigured to carry two 550lb bombs, still retaining the four cannon. A further refinement, Me 262A-2a/U1 had two of the cannon removed to provide space for a bomb-aiming device, and Me 262A-2/U2 carried a prone bombardier in the nose section. Thus, for much of the aircraft's brief combat life, it was used against the wrong type of targets, with even less effect than if it had been used as an interceptor.

In addition to bomber, ground attack and night fighter variants, the Me 262 was also produced as a tandem two-seat trainer, the Me 262B-1a. Four 262A-1as were modified to carry a single 50mm Mk 214 cannon which extended almost 7 feet beyond the nose of the plane, but the blinding flash from the barrel limited the effectiveness of the device. In any case, it didn't matter. There were 1,433 Me 262s built, with nearly 500 more destroyed by bombing raids before they were completed. Of that total, fewer than 300 were actually used in combat.

Using equipment and components manufactured during the occupation of Czechoslovakia, some Me 262s were produced by Avia, in Czechoslovakia after the war, under the designation S.92.

In its brightest moments, when it was used as intended, the Me 262 was the equivalent of sending the "Three Musketeers" against Sitting Bull at Little Big Horn. In one battle, for instance, 37 of the 262s were scrambled against an Allied raid that consisted of 1,221 bombers and 632 fighter escorts! In their most effective performance, they cost the Allies a one percent loss.

Despite the fact that the Me 262 is one of the most rare and esoteric aircraft of World War II, at least one group has endeavored to build brand new copies of this interesting airplane, updated to modern safety standards, and powered by more modern jet engines. The distinctive profile of the Me 262 has recently graced the skies again, this time in peaceful reflection rather than with hostile intent. [History by Kevin Murphy]

Specifications: (Me 262A-1a)
Engines: Two 1,984-pound thrust Junkers Jumo 004B-1/-2/-3 turbojets
Type: Land-based interceptor/fighter/bomber
Crew: One (Although one variant had a bombadier)

Dimensions:
Weights: Empty 8,378 lbs., Max Takeoff 14,110 lbs.
Wing Span: 40ft. 11.5in.
Length: 34ft. 9.5in.
Height: 12ft. 7in.

Performance :
Maximum Speed: 540 mph
Ceiling: 37,565 ft.
Range: 652 miles

Armaments:
Four 30-mm MK 108 cannon in nose
Variants:
50-mm nose mounted cannon
2 - 550lb bombs


ME-262 with massive 50MM cannon


All photos Copyright of AeroSpaceWeb.Org

49 posted on 07/15/2003 12:27:01 PM PDT by Johnny Gage (Why do bars have parking lots...... when it's illegal to drink & drive?)
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To: Johnny Gage
It was an interesting aircraft.
And from what I've read it was a dream to fly.
Notice the flat body profile from the front, but the wide tadpole like structure from above.

Truly it was a nice plane.
50 posted on 07/15/2003 12:40:09 PM PDT by Darksheare ("A Predator's Eyes Are Always In Front.")
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To: snippy_about_it
Afternoon Snippy. Good to see y'all to! :)
51 posted on 07/15/2003 12:41:45 PM PDT by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: Darksheare
Do you have the coffee made yet??

I don't use sugar so will this coffee rust my pipes?
52 posted on 07/15/2003 2:58:08 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: bentfeather
Ummm...
I'm told that it is some of the most hideously strong stuff available commercially.
I only drink the stuff, I don't rate it.
But, it IS recommended that sugar be employed.
However, if you decide to drink it sans sweetener, be aware that creamer doesn't help much.
If you must drink it without sugar, go and drink it straight black.
(Also, don't let it sit and age too long, it get's 'burned' and that ruins it.)
Maybe it will rust them.
I'm not sure.
Haven't checked that out yet.
53 posted on 07/15/2003 3:03:14 PM PDT by Darksheare ("A Predator's Eyes Are Always In Front.")
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To: bentfeather
And yes.
It is made.
Do be careful with it.
54 posted on 07/15/2003 3:04:15 PM PDT by Darksheare ("A Predator's Eyes Are Always In Front.")
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To: Darksheare
Powerful medicine, hmmmmm.....

55 posted on 07/15/2003 3:39:53 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: bentfeather
It is sometimes worth a laugh when you hand a mug of the brew to some unsuspecting victim...
56 posted on 07/15/2003 3:47:32 PM PDT by Darksheare ("A Predator's Eyes Are Always In Front.")
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To: SAMWolf

57 posted on 07/15/2003 3:49:49 PM PDT by SpookBrat (Vote Democrat... It's easier than getting a job.)
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To: Darksheare; bentfeather
Sounds like my kind of coffee. :)
58 posted on 07/15/2003 4:10:08 PM PDT by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: SCDogPapa
Give it a shot.
Don't forget the pinch of salt, it really is important.
59 posted on 07/15/2003 4:28:29 PM PDT by Darksheare ("A Predator's Eyes Are Always In Front.")
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; AntiJen; MistyCA; SpookBrat; PhilDragoo; All
Hello everybody. Good thread, Sam. How do you manage to do so much and still have time for yourself? Good job.

Hi Snippy! Were you able to get some pics?


click on the graphic

60 posted on 07/15/2003 5:54:45 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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