Virginia bans grilling at multi-family dwellings

The Virginian-Pilot ^ | October 22, 2003 | By CINDY CLAYTON

[aruanan]

Embers that fly out of a charcoal grill onto a wooden deck can burst into flames, Dean said. Fumes from a leaky propane tank can waft into a neighbor's apartment and be ignited by a lit candle or cigarette.

Yeah, and cars can suddenly veer off the road into pedestrians so let's ban sidewalks or cars on roads. Actually, it would just be better to ban such moronic politicians.

[Down South P.E.]

Whats under the grill shouldn't count, grass can burn just as easily as wood.. and some porches are made of concrete for goodness sakes.

Actually dry grass will ignite much, much more readily than wood decking.

[Down South P.E.]

Propane does not "waft into a neighbor's apartment". Look at it's vapor pressure. Propane does not "waft" —it poofs...dissipates rapidly when released from pressure to 1 atm. You have to have a flame right on it to ignite it. It would make more sense to ban cigarettes and candles if you really wanted to prevent apartment fires.

Propane is actually more dangerous than natural gas. It's 1.5 times heavier than air...so when it is released it will tend to accumulate in lower lying areas. It can also be driven by air currents. It can and does migrate into openings such as vents or windows on structures with subsequent ignition.

It's flammable limits are between 2.2 and 9.6 percent (it don't take much). The parting arc generated in your light switch when you flip the switch on is enough to ignite it. When released from it's container it expands to 270 times its volume. So a very small release, say 1 cubic inch will expand to 270 cubic inches of propane. Just that little bit will produce a substantial fire.

It is also a very safe and reliable fuel source...but you should respect it. Lack of respect for and a lack of knowledge about this fuel is what causes a lot of fires.

[Frank_2001]

Is ANYTHING legal anymore? Sheesh!

[El Gato]

Notice how the penalty for firing up the old barbie is just enough to make your RKBA forfeit....forever. Even though it's not a violent crime, and not a felony. One year is the statutory minimum for loss of second amendment rights.

(Although if it's Up to one year, I believe the federal law says "more than one year, so you might skim by after all)

[Clemenza]

We had this law in Miami-Dade County when I lived there. I ignored it and enjoyed many a grilled snapper on my third floor balcony/patio. I was NEVER fined, even though I had a cop living downstairs from me.

[El Gato]

It also doesn't matter if the judge gives you a $50 fine and a safety lecture, the key is the offense must only be *punishable* by more than a year in prison, regardless of your personal punishment.

[Ruth A.]

When barbecues are outlawed, only idiot outlaws will have barbecues.

[FSPress]

Actually this should be on the bang list. Most of the stuff comes from the NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) which has now gotten into the gun banning movement big time with a safety educational program for children in school, the gun portion of which is put together by the VPC, etc. EVERYTHING MUST BE REGULATED, IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!

[this_ol_patriot]

Smoking (tobacco regulation) is a gateway drug. It is the gateway to more government regulation of legal activities. I wonder how many of the now defunct grillers were strongly in favor of regulating private citizens use of nicotine?

[Leisler]

You properly should of put my two paragraphs in quotations, and attributed them to me. But that would be the complaint of a prissy limp-wrist and anal retentive grammarian that had it's panties in a bunch.( 'dat be you)

Haven't you noticed that the posts are more in the way of a conversation than a exercise in rhetorical? Since the vast majority of Freepers( and also in every other forum ) post this way, what's your point?

Lastly, "gotten" is too a word. For instance, "ill-gotten gains". Maybe you could go to a neighbors house, if they would let you in, and look it up in a dictionary.

Finally, I'll write, type, post, speak and do as I please.

[Leisler]

You, like I, are thinking out of the box.

Gateway? I feel we passed the gateway over a hundred years ago. The friggen gooberment and all its shuffle footed, food stuffing, suv driving dolts are on our land and in our houses each and every day.

[Leisler]

If it takes away your property or puts you into prison, it should be voted on by both brances of government,and run through the courts. Other than that is bunk.

[Leisler]

About implying you are a limp wrist, anal retentive, prissy grammarian. I read through your last posts and you were taking it upon yourself to be the little peddle pushing tricycle cop of language usage. So, I wasn't being invective, I was right. You are pathetic.

[Shooter 2.5]

Well, no. This isn't remotely as important as the Second Amendment. Comparing someone's inability to grill a steak as the same as a single mom cowering behind a splintering door as she frantically calls 9-11 isn't the same to me.

The Wisconsin Senate passed a CCW law and the Missouri CCW law is in jeopardy. I would like to see the bang list as clean as possible so the active polls that are happening right aren't lost in the listing.

So please, try to stay on topic.

Thank you.

[general_re]

LOL - it's not so bad. Besides, after fifteen years, I would have been desperate enough to go anywhere to get out of the People's Republic of New York ;)