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Virginia bans grilling at multi-family dwellings
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | October 22, 2003 | By CINDY CLAYTON

Posted on 10/25/2003 6:16:55 PM PDT by SWO

Most apartment and condo dwellers in Virginia can kiss goodbye to preparing sizzling steaks or burgers on their balcony or patio grills.

As of Oct. 1, it's illegal to use an open-flame grill on wooden balconies or on patios within 10 feet of a combustible building, meaning just about any structure not made of brick.

Anyone violating the state's new fire prevention code can be charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor, punishable by a year in jail and a possible $2,500 fine.

In addition to the open flame ban, owners of propane grills that use tanks with a capacity greater than 2.5 pounds of water cannot use their grills on prohibited balconies or within 10 feet of combustible buildings.

The new rules are intended to prevent fires, said Glenn Dean, safety engineer with the state fire marshal's office.

``The idea is that you're trying to eliminate the amount of fuel that can leak or migrate,'' Dean said.

Embers that fly out of a charcoal grill onto a wooden deck can burst into flames, Dean said. Fumes from a leaky propane tank can waft into a neighbor's apartment and be ignited by a lit candle or cigarette.

``I think it's ridiculous,'' said Diana Sepulveda, who lives in a condo in the Riverwalk section of Chesapeake.

She and her husband have a small grill they use on their patio.

``If you're constantly watching your grill while you're grilling and not leaving it unattended, there should not be an issue,'' Sepulveda said. ``It's taking away from people's privacy and their culpability of living in their own home, whether it's an apartment or condo.'' Sepulveda's home is one of more than 142,000 multi-family units in Hampton Roads, according to the 2000 Census.

Not everyone is affected. Single- and two-family dwellings are exempt. So are buildings constructed with non-combustible materials such as brick. Buildings with sprinklers that protect decks aren't included. And any grill connected to a natural gas line also is legal.

Dean said Tuesday he did not have statistics on fires caused by grills in apartments or other multi-unit buildings.

But the anecdotal evidence is there, he said.

Jessica Younce said her tenants at Chase Arbor Apartments in Virginia Beach already are mostly in compliance with the code.

A November 2000 fire caused by an unattended balcony grill in the complex off Independence Boulevard destroyed 20 apartments.

``Since then, we've made it a policy that only people on the first floor can grill,'' said Younce, the apartment manager. ``Basically, you cannot grill on the second- or third-floor balcony.''

New residents seem to understand the policy and few complain when they learn about the fire three years ago, she said.

Local fire marshals said they aren't initiating a crackdown.

``Are we hunting down grills on balconies? Absolutely not,'' said Chief William Hibner, Chesapeake's fire marshal. ``Does that make it right to continue using them? No.''

Local fire marshals said Tuesday that they don't expect residents to get rid of their barbecues because some people invest large sums in high-tech grill gadgetry.

But they do expect people to dispose of propane tanks if they can't be used and stored according to the code, said Capt. Rick Kephart, Virginia Beach deputy fire marshal.

Hibner and Kephart both said that they and other fire marshals throughout the state try to take an educational approach to code enforcement. If people refuse to comply after learning about code violations, they are given a written notice that they must make changes. Future violations can result in a court summons, they said. ``We have found that an overwhelming majority of folks, when they are educated, they comply with no problem,'' Hibner said.

Hibner decided early on to start notifying apartment managers and others with an interest in the kinds of buildings affected.

``Everyone that we can find, we've actually sent a letter to them explaining the new code,'' Hibner said. ``We knew that was going to have a substantial impact. I knew we wanted to get the word out.''

Hibner said his office has received a few calls from people who wanted clarification of the code.

Virginia Beach fire inspectors started spreading the word last year, when they learned that the new code could be adopted, Kephart said. But the Virginia Beach fire marshal's office won't be sending letters out to every complex in the city.

Kephart said he talks to one or two residents about the issue each week. The fire marshal's office has received e-mails and talked to residents in person.

``People are concerned about their traditional Saturday night grills,'' Kephart said.

``It's been a major impact to the citizens,'' Kephart said. ``The biggest thing is to understand the intent of it.''

``People tend to forget about the Chase Arbors and things like that,'' Kephart said. ``People say it's not going to happen to me because I'm going to be safe with mine, but it's that kind of attitude that causes it.''

Reach Cindy Clayton at cindy.clayton@pilotonline.com or 222-5201.


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This is an incredibly paternalistic bit of legislation. Especially noteworthy is the rigorous research which preceded the creation of the law, as the following demonstrates, "Dean said Tuesday he did not have statistics on fires caused by grills in apartments or other multi-unit buildings."

Luckily we have also banned grilling with large capacity propane tanks. Pretty soon we can impose either a one barbeque a month limit, or licensing. And to top it off the nice folks in Virginia Beach apparently couldn’t wait so they started enforcing the law early.

"Virginia Beach fire inspectors started spreading the word last year, when they learned that the new code could be adopted, "

One more law "For the Children".

1 posted on 10/25/2003 6:16:55 PM PDT by SWO
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To: SWO; *bang_list; Joe Brower; CWOJackson; bitcon; *Donut watch; Travis McGee
Sizzle, or whatwever the noise is the gas grill makes when it goes off, pop?
2 posted on 10/25/2003 6:22:55 PM PDT by SWO
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To: SWO
From my greasy BBq sauce covered fingers.
3 posted on 10/25/2003 6:23:40 PM PDT by tet68 (multiculturalism is an ideological academic fantasy maintained in obvious bad faith. M. Thompson)
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To: glock rocks
Trouble at the Ponderosa...
4 posted on 10/25/2003 6:24:01 PM PDT by tubebender (FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...)
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To: SWO
Using fire for cooking is too new and powerful a technology for common folks to be trusted with.
5 posted on 10/25/2003 6:24:19 PM PDT by per loin
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To: SWO
Something tells me that at the next election it won't be steaks, burgers, and hot dogs that get grilled.

Can you say dumb politicians.
6 posted on 10/25/2003 6:24:35 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
Not politicians. It isn't a law. It is a "code". The Fire bureaucrats did it.

As our society gotten wealthier, and building better, there has been less fire per person per structure per year. So, lay off Firemen? Heck no, invent more code violations. Basically busy work to keep the featherbedding going. Propane cigarette lighters next.
7 posted on 10/25/2003 6:34:03 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: SWO
This shiite is way over the top...these a-holes have to push the envelope beyond our "tolerance"...there will be blood in the streets my friends, brought on by the marxist sob's who have all the say in this country...mark my words.

FMCDH

8 posted on 10/25/2003 6:34:16 PM PDT by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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Can they sauté?
9 posted on 10/25/2003 6:37:45 PM PDT by Consort
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To: SWO
So far the only thing I have managed to set ablaze while B-B-Qing is my beard and eyebrows ( I was wearing a hat ) and A couple $ worth of chicken. Let them pass a law against that! :):)
10 posted on 10/25/2003 6:39:47 PM PDT by Ches
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To: SWO; Corin Stormhands
"Anyone violating the state's new fire prevention code can be charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor..."

The article is not clear on how this code was passed. Certainly not by the GOP controlled House of Delegates, I would hope. Is it a Mark Warner-Executive Branch directive??

11 posted on 10/25/2003 6:42:21 PM PDT by sultan88 ("Five year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains...")
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To: SWO
Why not leave it up to the managers of the property? They can set their own rules for hours of use and types of fires allowed.

Has there been a rash of "BBQs gone wild"?
12 posted on 10/25/2003 6:42:45 PM PDT by Az Joe
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To: SWO
As of Oct. 1, it's illegal to use an open-flame grill on wooden balconies or on patios within 10 feet of a combustible building?

Hmmm ... I see a solution - grill out away from the building, at least 11 feet away from it (like out on the grass between buildings)!

13 posted on 10/25/2003 6:44:59 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Rush speaks on gutless 'Liberalism' (RealAudio files))
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To: SWO
A November 2000 fire caused by an unattended balcony grill in the complex off Independence Boulevard destroyed 20 apartments

... along with bowling trophies, treasured pictures, thousands in cash and probably more than one nice hunting rifle -

- wouldn't you hate that it if that happened to you?

14 posted on 10/25/2003 6:47:50 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Rush speaks on gutless 'Liberalism' (RealAudio files))
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To: SWO
Ya know, when I left New York to come to Virginia, the idea was to get away from this kind of crap, not have it transplant along with me...
15 posted on 10/25/2003 6:50:32 PM PDT by general_re ("I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away.")
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To: SWO
This is already a law in a large number of municipalities in the U.S. Obviously it is not the grills fault but the idiot users that are not attentive to their grilling.
16 posted on 10/25/2003 6:51:10 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: SWO
Looks like Virginians have a fire marshal to get rid of.

The worst I've ever had happen to me was when I was smoking two whole hams - I pulled the dome off of the smoker, and in a momentary lapse of common sense, I stuck my face straight down over it. Now, folks, hams have a lot of fat. A LOT. And it always finds a way to reach the coals (gravity can sometimes be your worst enemy). When the lid came off, all of that dripping, smoldering, molten pig squeezin's found a rich source of oxygen. What entailed was something out of a Road Runner cartoon; or, more appropriately, the last vision the Pompeiians saw when Mt. Vesuvius went up: a column of fire belching into the heavens. With my face in the median.

My sister will never let me forget the Christmas I spent with my eyelashes burned off right down to the follicles. LOL
17 posted on 10/25/2003 6:57:54 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: SWO
``The biggest thing is to understand the intent of it.''

Control of all to the standards set by the lowest common denominator, we understand.

18 posted on 10/25/2003 7:01:35 PM PDT by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: JSteff
Yep. It is the rule at the complex I live in now.

There was only one nitwit who charred the support beam for the balcony but the manager was told that she couldn't just tell him that he couldn't have a grill while the rest of us used ours so we all are grill-less on our patios.

We do have a small area where we can grill that is away from the building.

19 posted on 10/25/2003 7:02:58 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Maybe I should cut back on the coffee...)
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To: Az Joe
Why not leave it up to the managers of the property? They can set their own rules for hours of use and types of fires allowed.

Because the same people who are calling the fire marshall a nazi will call the all the property managers nazis. That's too much work.

20 posted on 10/25/2003 7:04:01 PM PDT by Moonman62
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