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To: esarlls3
I heard Streusand's ad implying McCaul was Johnny Chung's defense counsel,

I haven't heard that one. McCaul did work on the Chung case. Chung walked with probation. Clinton walked. Dozens left the country and got away. Chung claims that McCaul called him a 'great American', and asked Chung to speak at his funeral if the commies got to him. Chung claims that he had a long friendly dinner at McCaul's house with the family.

I don't care that Streusand contributed to Ken Bentsen and Bob Kreuger, but Streusand's inartful response that he did it "for business reasons" bothers me

Yeah. In '82, or '83. Small potatoes. McCaul never gave any to anyone until 2000. Streusand was contributing to republicans since '89. Another was a honorarium for a speech to a business group. Also small potatoes. McCaul makes this out to be like the Texas chainsaw massacre because Streusand gives a few bucks to dems 20 years ago. He has been a delegate and given lots of money and support for many years to republicans.

I have seen some flat out lies from McCaul. One about a wall street journal article saying Streusand was overcharging customers fees. There is no record to back that up. He distorted and obscure article. Another about the mortgage bankers association endorsing McCaul. He had to backtrack on that because it wasn't true. Another about Streusand giving money to the Texas democrats that left the state to stop redistricting. I have never seen or heard one source to back that up.

All McCaul does is whine, whine, whine, about the negative campaign. But according to GOPcapitalist, some of the worst are coming from his connection Lowry at the stinkletter.

I'm sick of intentionally deceitful ads

I think a lot of these guys are just shmoozing with the insiders, and don't want to rock the boat. They saw Judge Green get kicked by Perry, and don't want to go against the grain. Streusand is not one of these insiders.

I don't like the negative ads I've seen by Streusand, Devine, or McCaul during this race, either.

But I haven't seen Streusand lie. He can back it up. He has accomplishments to tout, built a business, created jobs, raised hundreds of thousands for republicans.

McCaul just had government jobs, and got Chung probation, and helped keep Reno out of trouble.

I still think Streusand is a good conservative, and that McCaul is a me-too moderate.

109 posted on 04/08/2004 5:43:36 PM PDT by iamright ((unpaid Streusand volunteer) Friends don't let friends go left! nor Moderate!)
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To: iamright
McCaul did work on the Chung case. Chung walked with probation. Clinton walked. Dozens left the country and got away. Chung claims that McCaul called him a 'great American', and asked Chung to speak at his funeral if the commies got to him. Chung claims that he had a long friendly dinner at McCaul's house with the family.

McCaul was a Prosecutor, not Chung's "defense counsel". McCaul says:

Michael McCaul uncovered one of the most profound and far-reaching political scandals of the Clinton administration. Through determination to reveal the truth, McCaul exposed the fact that Communist China was illegally funneling money into the Clinton administration in an effort to corrupt American elections. Michael McCaul prosecuted Johnny Chung during this investigation. Chung pleaded guilty and was a central witness. After his guilty plea, Chung turned state’s evidence and became a cooperating witness. Subsequently, he was placed under federal protection. Chung came to Washington DC and testified before the grand jury and the US Congress. McCaul worked with Republican leaders in Congress to reveal the truth regarding illicit behavior. Johnny Chung later tried to parlay his notoriety into a book or movie deal, and wrote sensational and largely fabricated stories about his experiences. Some of these are being used to try to misrepresent McCaul’s record. If it were not for one determined federal prosecutor – Michael McCaul – the American people would never have known about China’s illegal behavior. McCaul is an American patriot. Ben Streusand is wrong to suggest that McCaul did anything less than aggressively investigate and prosecute one of the biggest embarrassments in the Clinton administration.

What does it say about Streusand if he is using Communist Chung as his information source?

McCaul never gave any to anyone until 2000. Streusand was contributing to republicans since '89. ... [Streusand] has been a delegate and given lots of money and support for many years to republicans.

Neither candidate has contributed significantly to Republican candidates compared with their resources. Both have given less than $10k since 2000 and nothing before (FEC records). Streusand started doing fundraising and went to one convention after deciding to run for Congress. That's nice but sounds more like campaigning than being a "leader in the Republican party".

I have seen some flat out lies from McCaul. One about a wall street journal article saying Streusand was overcharging customers fees. There is no record to back that up. He distorted and obscure article. Another about the mortgage bankers association endorsing McCaul. He had to backtrack on that because it wasn't true. Another about Streusand giving money to the Texas democrats that left the state to stop redistricting. I have never seen or heard one source to back that up.

Have you reviewed the WSJ article about Streusand? If so, please post it. If not, it's unfair to call it a lie.

I don't know the details of the the mortgage banking association endorsement. I noted that it had a qualifier on it when it was posted.

Here is my interpretation:

A subset of the mortage banking organization gave McCaul an endorsement. Streusand was embarrassed by this and arranged for the endorsement to be retracted and obtained an endorsement by the entire organization.

I have never seen anything from the McCaul campaign about Streusand donations to the Chicken-Ds. Just a post on FR that was unsubstantiated.

The net result of all of this that you call "McCaul lies" is that none of them were "McCaul lies".

I don't like the negative ads I've seen by Streusand, Devine, or McCaul during this race, either.

Agreed.

But I haven't seen Streusand lie. He can back it up.

Here are a few Streusand lies:

That doesn't even start to address the Streusand misrepresentations like trying to link McCaul with Clinton allowing gays in the military, Mattox saying that home school children were the property of the state, etc.

111 posted on 04/09/2004 2:04:34 PM PDT by esarlls3 (Volunteer McCaul Supporter)
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To: iamright
But according to GOPcapitalist, some of the worst are coming from his connection Lowry at the stinkletter.

Yes. If any candidate is getting unusually strong support from the Stink Letter you can safely bet there's money involved and lots of it. Lowry supported McCaul or attacked Streusand in 3/4ths of this issue's articles - arguably the most space he's ever donated to any one candidate including those who are known to have paid him $20,000+ according to TEC and FEC records (Peter Wareing, Kyle Janek, and Ken George in '02 all fit into the 20 grand plus category and only got a few pages apiece). Something stinks big time with the way Lowry is backing McCaul and IMHO it is probably the dirtiest event to date in the CD 10 race...and that's saying a lot considering Steve Hotze's support for Streusand, Devine's backers sending out those attack pieces in round 1, etc.

Perhaps it is simply how shameless Lowry is with this sort of thing. Hotze is a high dollar political prostitute to be sure. But Lowry is the trashy gutter tramp that will do anything for any person willing to pay.

113 posted on 04/11/2004 12:15:01 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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