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Terry Nichols and Double Jeopardy
LewRockwell.com ^ | March 27, 2004 | William L. Anderson

Posted on 03/27/2004 7:47:27 PM PST by NovemberCharlie

I suspect that if I were to take a poll in Oklahoma today as to whether or not the current trial of Terry Nichols is justified, the answer would be almost 100 percent in the affirmative. Nichols, after all, has been convicted in federal court for having a crucial role in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and received a life sentence. It is that sentence that has Oklahomans enraged, however, and now he is being tried on state charges of murder for one and only one reason: so he can receive the death penalty. If there ever was a case in the United States of "verdict first, trial later," this one surely fits that description.

Before going on, I must make some things clear. The first is that this is not a defense of Nichols’ alleged actions that helped bring about that awful event in April 1995. No amount of dissatisfaction with the federal government justifies what he and his accomplices did and I cannot nor will not defend the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building.

The second is that under different circumstances, I would hold that a state trial of Nichols would have been perfectly justified, with no federal trial whatsoever. Nichols is charged with taking a major role in the murder of nearly 200 individuals and injuring scores more, and the families and survivors of those killed or injured in those attacks surely do deserve their day in court.

However, that having been said, I believe that this present trial is nothing more than a kangaroo court that has been assembled so that the state government can legally kill Nichols in revenge. The reason I use such strong language – which no doubt will make me very unpopular in Oklahoma – is that for purposes of justice, this is a case of double jeopardy, something the Constitution of the United States clearly prohibits. To put it another way, while Nichols assaulted the people of Oklahoma in 1995, the people of Oklahoma today – with approval from the U.S. Department of Justice and U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft – are assaulting the Constitution and I am not sure which attack will have caused longer run harm.

Although there are a number of other activities swirling about in this case, including the state judge threatening to dismiss all of the charges "with prejudice" (which would mean the state could not bring those charges against Nichols again) due to prosecutorial misconduct, I would like to concentrate solely upon the issue of double jeopardy. Now, this is not the first time that the presence of a dual system of justice – state and federal – has permitted what is in effect double jeopardy to occur.

However, the act of trying an individual twice for the same case, in violation of the spirit of the Constitution, usually has resulted first in a trial at the state level, then one in federal court. In 1993, two Los Angeles police officers were found guilty in federal court of violating the civil rights of Rodney King a year after a California state court had acquitted those two officers (and two others) of assaulting King.

The original King verdict touched off the Los Angeles riots of 1992, and the administration of George Bush, facing a tough re-election challenge, decided to retry the police officers on federal charges. Although Bill Clinton defeated Bush that year, the new administration continued with the trial and a jury the second time "got it right," according to supporters of this action.

In 1991, the same year the police officers had their run-in with King, a rabbinical student named Yankel Rosenbaum was stabbed to death by a black New York youth named Limerick Nelson during the Crown Heights riots. Although the evidence against Nelson was overwhelming, a jury acquitted him in a farce of a trial. (The jurors afterward went to a party hosted by the defense attorneys.)

The verdict clearly was unpopular in much of New York, and since Rosenbaum happened to have been standing on a public sidewalk, the government tried Nelson on civil rights charges and won a guilty verdict. (The verdict was overturned on appeal, as the trial judge right at the beginning had made it clear to jurors that the original trials had been flawed and that they had an opportunity to obtain a "proper" verdict of guilty. In a third trial, a federal jury once again convicted Nelson, who by then had served almost all of the original 10-year sentence.)

In both cases, the original state court verdicts were unpopular and U.S. attorneys were able to take advantage of a public mood that wanted revenge. Furthermore, a person like Limerick Nelson is hardly a sympathetic character, murdering someone simply because the man was Jewish.

Yet, despite what the courts have ruled, both the Los Angeles and Nelson cases were examples of double jeopardy. In both trials, U.S. attorneys used the same evidence that had previously been used by state prosecutors. Furthermore, the trials covered the same actions that the defendants had taken. In other words, there was no difference, except that the first trials had taken place in state courts and the second in federal court, with the charges having different names.

While the Los Angeles police officers and Nelson cases were an affront to the Constitution, the Nichols case is even worse. At least in the other two instances, juries acquitted those who were in the dock. Nichols, on the other hand, was convicted, with the conviction occurring in federal court, where the rules of evidence are loose and the playing field is heavily tilted towards the prosecution.

If one goes back to the original trial, there was no reason for Nichols to have been tried first in federal court. In fact, there was no reason to have tried him there at all. (The government tried him in federal court for the deaths of five federal law enforcement agents.) Given that most of the people killed in the bombing either were federal employees or their children who were in a day care center there, it would seem that the government was declaring that the lives of the agents were more important than the other lives.

Furthermore, my own experience in examining and writing about federal criminal law tells me that the feds wanted Nichols tried in federal court precisely because less evidence is needed there than in state courts in order to obtain a conviction. However, now that a jury – even a federal jury – has ruled Nichols guilty, I do not see any way that he can avoid a similar verdict in Oklahoma, along with receiving the death penalty.

If the original trial of Terry Nichols had been held in Oklahoma state court, I would have been willing to accept whatever the outcome might have been. That is where the trial should have taken place, not federal court.

However, now that the feds have acted – unconstitutionally, I might add, given the original intent of the Constitution’s framers – I do not believe that justice is served by further burying what is left of the rule of law. No, this is not justice; it is mob rule in which the people with the guns tell the rest of us that they will interpret the Law of the Land in any way that they see fit. The courts go along and continue the farce.

Supporters of this trial are declaring that since the federal jury and judge did not impose a death sentence upon Nichols, this is an opportunity to "get it right." Unfortunately, this is yet another example of government authorities – state and federal – combining forces to trash the Constitution and impose a system of "justice" that once was alien to this country. We no longer have rule of law in the United States; law has ended, and the will of the people with authority has replaced it.

March 27, 2004

William L. Anderson, Ph.D. [send him mail], teaches economics at Frostburg State University in Maryland, and is an adjunct scholar of the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

Copyright © 2004 LewRockwell.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: doublejeopardy; nichols; okcbombing; oklahomacity
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Disturbing thoughts on double jeopardy.
1 posted on 03/27/2004 7:47:27 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: NovemberCharlie
Thank you, LewRockwell.com and all associated whack-jobs, for the defending the terrorist Terry Nichols, who murdered scores of Americans. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable over at Democratic Underground? They love terrorists over there.
2 posted on 03/27/2004 7:50:16 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: NovemberCharlie
We must have lawyers on FR who can comment on this.

To me you can be tried by different sovereignties i.e. State, Federal.

Also you can be tried again by the same sovereignty if you are tried with new evidence. Correct me if I'm wrong. - Tom

3 posted on 03/27/2004 7:56:41 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: NovemberCharlie

No, no, no, no, no. This isn't even remotely double jeopardy. First, Nichols was tried in Federal court for the MURDER of Federal employees. He hasn't been tried in state court for the MURDER of the other victims.

I agree, you should be hanging out with some more liberal fiends and look for ways to coddle and hug this freak, Nichols. This isn't revenge, it's justice!
4 posted on 03/27/2004 7:59:29 PM PST by judas75
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To: NovemberCharlie
What double jeapardy? Terry Nichols was only charged with murdering federal employees in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. He is being charged in state court for the murder of many people who were not federal employees, but were killed by the blast. It's less expensive to try all the charges at once, but prosecutors often deliberately try some charges separately just as insurance against legal mistakes or in this case a lenient jury. I bet if the trial whose venue was changed to Denver had been held after the Columbine shootings, Terry Nichols would have been sentenced to death too.
5 posted on 03/27/2004 8:00:00 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: BCrago66
Thank you, LewRockwell.com and all associated whack-jobs, for the defending the terrorist Terry Nichols, who murdered scores of Americans.

Who needs a trial anyway? Just take him out and shoot him like a dog.

It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge that matters.

6 posted on 03/27/2004 8:00:05 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Capt. Tom
You can be tried for the same offense by both a state government and the federal government; but neither a state nor the feds can re-try post-acquital based upon new evidence. The accused, however, can under limited circumstances get a new trial post-conviction upon the discovery of new pertinant evidence.
7 posted on 03/27/2004 8:04:32 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: judas75
No, no, no, no, no. This isn't even remotely double jeopardy.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.. It is double jeopardy. One crime was committed, resulting in the death of over 200 people. I have more yes's than you do np's so my argument is more powerful. :)

8 posted on 03/27/2004 8:07:51 PM PST by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan Keyes)
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To: NovemberCharlie
If one goes back to the original trial, there was no reason for Nichols to have been tried first in federal court. In fact, there was no reason to have tried him there at all. (The government tried him in federal court for the deaths of five federal law enforcement agents.)

The feds were trying out the new federal death penalty laws hoping to set precedents and get the legal machinery oiled up. The potential state prosecution was just a backup. Considering the state prosecutions are for the rest of the murders committed that day, there is no double jeapardy.

9 posted on 03/27/2004 8:10:04 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: NovemberCharlie
IMHO this guy has it right.....this goes to the core of the democracy vs. a Republic debate... the Founding Fathers understood the difference and gave us a Republic...I think it was Ben Franklin that said..We have given you a Republic...IF YOU CAN KEEP IT!
10 posted on 03/27/2004 8:10:50 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: BCrago66
Could Nichols be tried 160 separate times, once for each murder not already tried by the feds? Or do all the state murder counts have to be handled in one trial because one event caused all of them?
11 posted on 03/27/2004 8:11:16 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Bill Clinton is the Neville Chamberlain of the War on Terror.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Who needs a trial anyway? Just take him out and shoot him like a dog.

It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge that matters.

Thanks to Janet Reno.

12 posted on 03/27/2004 8:11:47 PM PST by lakey
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To: NovemberCharlie
OK there are times when double jeopardy is a bad thing. None of the cases mentioned in the article are examples of it.
13 posted on 03/27/2004 8:15:15 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: itsahoot
One crime was committed, resulting in the death of over 200 people.

No many crimes were committed. Everything from conspiracy to weapons violations to assault to 168 individual counts of murder to speeding. He could be tried individually for each murder if the state wanted. He could even be tried individually for each of the people maimed.

14 posted on 03/27/2004 8:16:12 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: NovemberCharlie
I'd rather not see him executed. I don't think the odds are very great that the full story of the OKC bombing will ever come out, but there's a strong probability that there were other guilty parties involved in the bombing. If Nichols is executed, that will be one witness less. They already executed one man who might eventually have been persuaded to talk.
15 posted on 03/27/2004 8:20:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: KarlInOhio
Technically, you cannot be tried twice for the same "offense," because an offense is defined in terms of a particular State of Federal law, which in a given case is only violated once. But you can be tried twice for a single act which violated both State and Federal law. Here's how the Supreme Court explained it:

"'The same act may be an offense or transgression of the laws of both. Thus, an assault upon the marshal of the United States, and hindering him in the execution of legal process, is a high offense against the United States, [260 U.S. 353, 359] for which the perpetrator is liable to punishment; and the same act may be also a gross breach of the peace of the state, a riot, assault, or a murder, and subject the same person to a punishment, under the state laws, for a misdemeanor or felony. That either or both may (if they see fit) punish such an offender, cannot be doubted. Yet it cannot be truly averred that the offender has been twice punished for the same offense; but only that by one act he has committed two offenses, for each of which he is justly punishable.' "

Here's the decision, Moore v. IL (1852):

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=260+&page=353

Here's more than you ever want to know about Double Jeopardy, from Findlaw.com, which is a great site:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/02.html
16 posted on 03/27/2004 8:27:11 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: NovemberCharlie
Given that most of the people killed in the bombing either were federal employees or their children who were in a day care center there, it would seem that the government was declaring that the lives of the agents were more important than the other lives.

Well, yes. Attacking Federal officers (or State or local officials for that matter) is a more serious crime, because it is an assault on our system of government. Just as assasinating the President is more serious killing an ordinary citizen. Of course the corralary to that should be that agents who abuse their position and commit crimes under color of authority should face harsher punishment as well.

In any case if Nichols was not tried for all the murders, only the five agents, then there is no double jeopardy in trying him for the rest of the deaths.

17 posted on 03/27/2004 8:29:39 PM PST by Hugin
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To: NovemberCharlie
No, this is not justice; it is mob rule in which the people with the guns tell the rest of us that they will interpret the Law of the Land in any way that they see fit.

Nichols crimes and guilt notwithstanding, the feds and the states are making it a habit of applying the Constitution in any way that will give them the results the govt. wants. From gun control, to taxation, to eminent domain, the Law of the Land is now a tool for govt. rather than a restraint of its powers.

18 posted on 03/27/2004 8:30:27 PM PST by elbucko (I'm not a real SOB, but I play one on FreeRepublic.)
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To: BCrago66
Thank you, LewRockwell.com and all associated whack-jobs, for the defending the terrorist Terry Nichols, who murdered scores of Americans. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable over at Democratic Underground? They love terrorists over there.

Of course, you are for the innocent cops in the Rodney King case being tried again after being found innocent the first time, right? So who's the whack-job now?

19 posted on 03/27/2004 8:53:58 PM PST by Trickyguy
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To: Trickyguy
The fact is, it was not a violation of Double Jeopardy to try the Rodney King cops twice by State and Federal governments under separate State and Federal laws, and if you don't understand that - then you have the means to educate yourself rather than display your ignorance.
20 posted on 03/27/2004 9:01:39 PM PST by BCrago66
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