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Who would have thunk it? Iran is supporting the Shiites AND the Sunnis and the Pasdaran DOES cooperate with Al Qaeda. But, but all the "experts" like Jim Baker and the NYT have told us that Shiites and Sunnis are bitter enemies and that Iran would NEVER work with Al Qaeda. Whoops!

If Bush doesn't do anything about this and the administration doesn't trumpet this and tell the public and mobilize opinion, I give up.

1 posted on 01/03/2007 5:05:20 AM PST by jeltz25
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Also, don't forget that it was the NYT and the APO that leaked the info about the captured Pasdaran in the first place. So all those Sunni bad guys and AQ types got the alert and may have been able to boogie before we could get them.

Thanks Bill Keller, you're a great American.

He and the rest of the Times board and staff should spend the next 40 years playing chess with Rick Ammes.


2 posted on 01/03/2007 5:12:36 AM PST by jeltz25
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Even many on "our" side have fallen for that trap.

"Iran and Al-Qaeda would NEEEEEEEEVER Cooperate, cut they are Shia and the other Sunni!" or also
"Saddam was secular! He'D never have suported Al-Qaeda!"

Bullcrap.
All factions are choosing their friends and targets only for their machiavellian benefit. The Sunni-Shia thing is something religios being played-up to keep illiterate sheeple on their masters side.

The Islamic Regime of Iran HAS to be punished severly for their crimes and savageries committed against the Iraqi, Israeli and American people.


3 posted on 01/03/2007 5:13:17 AM PST by SolidWood (Sadr lives. Kill him.)
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The more they kill each other the more grief for us.

They'd like nothing more than start a civil war in Iraq.

The sad thing is many Iraqis are playing their part of the Iranian script towards their own destruction.


4 posted on 01/03/2007 5:14:15 AM PST by DB
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US captures treasure trove of Pasdaran documents. Iran playing both sides. Will US respond?

No.

Next question?

5 posted on 01/03/2007 5:16:14 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: jeltz25; Cap Huff; Southack
Besides the playbook...we got the Quds commander also.

The top Quds Force commander — known as Chizari, according to a December 30 story in the Washington Post — was captured inside a compound belonging to Abdul Aziz Hakim,

6 posted on 01/03/2007 5:16:14 AM PST by Dog
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No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Iran is a peaceful nation pursuing peaceful goals and couldn't be responsible for instigating any violence in Iraq (or Afghanistan)!


8 posted on 01/03/2007 5:18:49 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: jeltz25

The so-called "experts' are just giving their uninformed opinions.


19 posted on 01/03/2007 5:48:51 AM PST by popdonnelly
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21 posted on 01/03/2007 5:53:55 AM PST by SJackson (had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out)
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23 posted on 01/03/2007 6:04:46 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Saddam was against Iraq's liberation before the Democrats and MSM.)
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Those folking Iranians............


27 posted on 01/03/2007 6:17:05 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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Iran just wants to keep the pot boiling. A stable, democratic Iraq represents a threat to the mullah's regime.


30 posted on 01/03/2007 6:20:56 AM PST by kabar
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"If Bush doesn't do anything about this and the administration doesn't trumpet this and tell the public and mobilize opinion, I give up."

well, I hate to tell you what you probably already know. GWB couldn't sell crack to an addict. Convincing the electorate on a subject BEFORE he implements it has never been his strong point.
36 posted on 01/03/2007 6:39:27 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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Here is Arnaud de Borchgrave in yesterday's Washington Times: "There are signs( 'Netanyahu's public relations campaign to convince American officials and public that Iran is a threat to world peace') this is already happening in Washington. Before the invasion of Iraq, the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld troika decided the ousting of Saddam Hussein had to become an integral part of the "war on terror." Eventually 60 percent of Americans thought Saddam was behind 9/11, even though there was no link between the two. Today, the Bush-Cheney team faces the same spin scenario: how to weave the global war on terror and the Shiite powers that be in Iran. This one is relatively simple: Iran trains and funds Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas and Islamic Jihad in the Palestinian territories.
Anticipating the new line, Sen. Joe Lieberman (Independent-CT) referred to "Iran and al-Qaida" on Wolf Blitzer's Sunday program on CNN. That Iran is Shiite and al-Qaida Sunni becomes irrelevant in the new game plan that will most probably lead to U.S. air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities in 2007/08."

De Borchgrave tells us that the administration and the Likud opposition in Israel are going to have to have to engage in spin because "Iran is Shiite and al-Qaeda is Sunni." There is no spin required. All that is necessary is a full airing of the facts. Iran has been playing both sides of the radical muslim divide for years. Clinton's attorney general believed that Iran was behind the bombing of the Khobar Towers in the mid-nineties. How could that be unless the Persian Shia Clergy were working with Sunni radicals in Saudi Arabia where the bombing occured, or the Saudi Wahhabi Royal family. And now we have evidence that Shia Iran is supporting Sunni rejectionist in Iraq. We also have proof that binladen's son is in Iran along with Zawahiri's right-hand-man. Is it any wonder that binladen and Zawahiri were upset with zarqawi's attacks on the Shia?
The deBorchgrave thesis acknowledges that Iran supports both shia hezbollah and sunni hamas, so that is a contradiction is his basic argument that "Iran is Shiite and al-qaeda is Sunni."


37 posted on 01/03/2007 6:45:02 AM PST by AdvisorB
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ummm...its possible that these guys got nabbed at a roadblock with smeared ink on their travel papers....and then again...its possible they were snagged by design...

trying to posit the US...position...regarding Iran's dirty hands...requires big picture context...

an important element in that context is the Chalabi saga...you have to factor in what the ears in the elephant cages pick up, for starters

there's much more happening here than meets the eye...


40 posted on 01/03/2007 7:48:24 AM PST by jeffers
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Lovely.....another BDS Bush bashing fest.


42 posted on 01/03/2007 8:02:24 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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Time for the U.S. to exit Iraq......through Iran.


43 posted on 01/03/2007 8:03:13 AM PST by indthkr
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If Bush doesn't do anything about this and the administration doesn't trumpet this and tell the public and mobilize opinion, I give up.

Don't hold your breath.

I long ago ceased depending on W to do the right thing. We just trudge on, and advocate for the RIGHT thing to be done...irrespective of his waffling and weakness.

47 posted on 01/03/2007 11:25:17 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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"One example of a mindset that may hinder analysis of Iranian involvement is the belief that Iran would never have any dealings with militant Sunni Arabs. But they allowed hundreds of Al Qaeda operatives to escape from Afghanistan across their territory in 2002," he said.

It was reported years ago that Iranian-sponsored Hezbollah cooperated with Al Qaeda to do the El Khobar barracks bombing. It takes sooooo long for reality to penetrate through to these people.

This does make one wonder, though, if Osama is safe in Iran and the whole Waziristan thing is a wild goose chase.

50 posted on 01/03/2007 11:42:11 AM PST by colorado tanker
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Iran is supporting both Sunni and Shiite terrorists in the Iraqi civil war

Excellent if we now have solid proof of this, but my understanding is that we've effectively known this for some time. What more it's also been my understanding (since well before 9-11) that the Iranians have followed this same pattern previously and elsewhere. E.g. I believe that in Saudi Arabia they have supported both Shia murdering Sunni terrorists, and Shia groups as well.

You get the maximum murder, mayhem, disruption and destruction by supporting both "sides" (to the extent nihilistic thugs have "sides") and that's what the Mad Mullahs seem to be all about. Not that the average Arab will give a second thought to their blood-soaked cynicism, being too busy hating George Bush and inventing Jooooooish Conspiracies.

51 posted on 01/03/2007 12:02:26 PM PST by Stultis
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So far the Bush administration has worked just as hard as the MSM to avoid reporting a lot of favorable news. It seems to be in the same mode as Republicans covering up Democrat scandals like Sandy Berger.


54 posted on 01/03/2007 12:38:01 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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