"There were no innocent people in those skyscrapers" - Chilling view from the other side

Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | October 17, 2001 | CRAIG NELSON

[dennisw]

Judaism still maintains that they are the chosen people of G-d (and I think that is true for specific historical and religious reasons), but they have not, for thousands of years, assumed this to mean that they have carte blanche to take out other groups with impunity.

My Jewish people can call themselves "chosen". And then what do we do? We don't recruit, convert by force or proselytize. 

But Islam tells you right to your face how "chosen" (they don't use this word of course!) they feel Islam is. How superior Islam is. How they submit to Allah and how you in turn will submit to them .......fancying themselves as mini Allah's. How you must convert or eventually be destroyed. Islam is involved in about 10 different wars at the moment and the Jews just one. One they don't even want....While Islam actively seeks war for it's always higher birthrate populations.

[kaylar]

The poster being accused of being a disruptor is innocent. This article was posted to FR last night, and some of the replies to it speculated the same way he is . jwsmith should have posted the article himself, but he did not (perhaps cannot) so here it is, with a link so you can all see the replies for yourself.( I am not by any means endorsing the view that the original choice is a terrorist, I'm simply trying to show that smith's view isn't a disruption out of left field.)

Moslems Slam FDNY Chaplain Choice

After years of pressure from the Muslim community, the fire department finally appointed a Muslim chaplain.

But now, the department's selection is being rejected by Muslim groups.

They sued to get a Muslim chaplain.

But now that the New York City Fire Department has relented, Muslim firefighters are criticizing the FDNY's choice for the job.

"This is retaliatory," said Kevin James of the FDNY Islamic Society. "It's vindictive, and we're not going to tolerate it."

James, a firefighter and a Muslim, started the department's Islamic organization in 1997. One of the goals of the Islamic Society of Fire Department Personnel was to have a Muslim chaplain.

It took years of pressure and a lawsuit, but the city finally appointed one - Imam Abd'Allah Adesanya, who started Monday.

But James says his organization had recommended another - Imam Muhammed Abdulmalik, who was also endorsed by the Islamic Leadership Council of New York.

"This is an issue of the fire department and the way that their actions have caused a holy mess by pitting one chaplain against another chaplain vying for this position," said James. "They didn't acknowledge us in this process."

The Islamic group alleges that the fire department traditionally approves the chaplain recommendations of the New York Archdiocese and the Board of Rabbis.

Said Imam Talib Abdur-Rashid of the New York Islamic Leadership Council: "The fire commissioner has chosen to disrespect the organized Muslim leadership of this great city by implementing a different selection process for the Muslim chaplain than those of other faiths."

The Islamic Society sued last year, claiming the FDNY fails to provide the same accommodations - like a prayer room - to Muslims as they do for other religious groups.

While the suit prompted some changes, the group said it now plans to take more legal action.

"We're also going to allege a retaliation claim," said Robert Perry, a lawyer for the FDNY Islamic Society. "I'm sure that one of the principle reasons why our candidate wasn't chosen is because our guys, the Islamic Society, brought this lawsuit and the fire department chose this way to retaliate against them."

The fire department said it's not a matter of retaliation, saying the Muslim chaplain it chose was most qualified.

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[aruanan]

You got that right!

[RobbyS]

They don't know us very well. We obviously felt the same about the people in Hiroshima and, if forced to make a choice between our men and their "innocents" would again make the same choice that we did in 1945.

[tacticalogic]

There are 52 Moslem countries. Clearly then, Moslem countries proportionately are more peaceful that Israel.

Islam is a religion, not a country. If you consider it collectively on a national basis, then all 52 Moslem countries are each involved in 10 separate wars.

[hopespringseternal]

Some would call this "imperialism", I would call it survival. The only other choice is to wait until they have the kinds of weapon systems that really will eliminate us. Ignoring them will never be a solution.

Sadly, I just don't see that every happening. We have so overcivilized ourselves that we can no longer defend ourselves when the only defense is an active and brutal offense.

It is going to take a lot of hardship for Americans to work up the kind of resolve needed to settle this.

When you are dealing with people who are so very willing to die for their cause, the only way to defeat them is to oblige them in as large a numbers as possible.

That is a dirty, ugly thing and we have no stomach for dirty ugly things.

[dennisw]

Your specialty seems to be loony, non sequitur responses to reasonable posts.

[BibChr]

Dude, just look at the screen name. Three weirdnesses in one? Tells the story.

Ddan-BbibCChr

[hellinahandcart]

BS. The first Muslim chaplain started work on MONDAY. jwsmith88 just accused the "former" FDNY chaplain of (a) being of Muslim descent, which is ridiculous (b) being the pilot of one of the planes that slammed into the WTC.

He can only be referring to the Fire Dept chaplain who was killed at the scene by falling debris, while administering last rites.

Don't call jwsmith88 innocent. He's just plain psycho.

[MrBambaLaMamba]

Hunt them down like animals and kill them. Kill them from the air, kill them on the ground.

[sphinx]

These must not be the peaceful Muslims.

They are shackled and imprisoned. Very effective pacification technique.

[Vauss]

Exactly. You cannot cajole these people, you cannot "agree to disagree". You must isolate them from everyone else in the world as if they are a disease. And like a disease, the best thing to do is to eradicate them down to the last root, branch, and spore. They must fear us. They must be led to believe that nothing they can do will be effective at harming us. They must be driven to the utter depths of despair where the only choices are to give up their plans against us or die.

[denydenydeny]

The deaths of at least 229 Kenyans and Tanzanians in car-bomb attacks on the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in 1998 were an "accident"

Another thing I despise about the practice of this religion is that it recommends that people become liars as well as murderers.

[kaylar]

The only point I was trying to make (I have no opinion on the chaplain at all) is that as smith's post was not linked to the thread from which he was deriving his opinion, it looked "strange". Out of left field. Like he was just making up some stuff about the chaplain out of his imagination for no reason, when it was obviously derived from the previous night's thread(s?) on the FDNY Muslim anger over the appointment. His opinion may be totally wrong (like I say, I have no opinion on that), but as he was not the only one to suggest this, and as that opinion is derived from reading a legitimate news article, I didn't think it's justified to call him a troll or disruptor.

[hellinahandcart]

Look, I was on the thread you mentioned, and there was nothing even remotely similar to the psycho's claim that the "former" chaplain was piloting one of the planes that crashed into the WTC. The closest was one post suggesting that the chaplain had been killed by Muslim extremists---and since that chaplain was killed by falling debris at the site, that happens to be TRUE.

Every person who died that day was killed by Muslim extremists.

So I still say nobody but a psychopath or a disruptor could have come up with garbage like that. And jwsmith88 maligned a murdered Catholic priest for no reason. That's outrageous.

[Artist]

We'll never forget what they've done.