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(Caveat: Unconfirmed) China News Service and Yomiuri Report Osama and Omar Were Assassinated
Zhonghawa Shinwen and Yomiuri Shimbun ^ | 24 October 2001 | China News Service (from Reporter Sugiyama of Yomiuri in Beijing)

Posted on 10/24/2001 1:07:52 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

Strong Caveat: This is the first and only such report that appeared several hours ago, off of Chinese and Japanese news wires, and is unconfirmed. Therefore it is just an advisory that such a report has been filed. Merits considerable skepticism while checking its validity.

Report by China News Service quoting Japanese source in Tokyo per the following (translated by AIT from Chinese from the site at: http://www.chinanews.com.cn/2001-10-24/26/133210.html/ in Chinese, and http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/05/20011024id36.htm in Japanese):

"Chinese News Service Reports: Osama bin Laden Killed?"

Filed by Hiroyuki Sugiyama, Yomiuri Shimbun Reporter based in Beijing.

Based on Japanese sources in Tokyo, news report (s) has been received that on October 16th, both the leader of Taliban Afghanistan Omar and the leader of AlQaida, Osama bin Laden, were both shot and killed in Afghanistan, by elements within their ranks. However at this time no other news sources have confirmed the assassinations.

The CNS news report stated that it is reported that Omar and Bin Laden had returned to one of the underground Taliban bases near Kandahar in the south, at approximately 11 a.m. local time in Afghanistan on 16 October. As the two and others were entering the underground base, it was reported an ally fired upon his (Omar's) back from the rear. The report is that Omar was hit in the upper torso, and bin Laden was hit once in the chest and once in the upper left shoulder area. Both expired at that location.

The report goes on to say that accompanying bin Laden were one of his sons and this son's wife, who were also hit with gunfire in the chest, waist and shoulder areas, and they too have reported suffered fatal wounds from this attack. The second eldest son of Omar also suffered a gunshot wound to the right side of his lower torso, and escaped the shooting, but expired on the following day." End of Text


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Only in the event that this could be true, The information is passed on, only in the event this could be true, but the report is not appearing in the English language press yet. The Japanese information source was also not quoted by name. Either it is true, partially true or it is false (disinformation or non-credible reports), but it deserves multiple independent confirmation, seeing as Yomiuri Shimbun carried it and Yomiuri is a large, reputable mainline daily Japanese news source. They, too, had their skepticism in the title, but chose to run the story anyway. Finally, no other Japanese news services are running at this time.
1 posted on 10/24/2001 1:07:52 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
They have reported many LOOK ALIKES of Usama....me thinks Osama and Omar are alive.
2 posted on 10/24/2001 1:12:27 PM PDT by antivenom
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Disinformation I suspect.
3 posted on 10/24/2001 1:13:08 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: antivenom
Until the carcass is recovered and confirmed, we keep blasting away. (Of course, it keeps up even if the head of the snake has been crushed.) Good point, antivenom.
4 posted on 10/24/2001 1:13:49 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
This is why I love FR. It may or may not be a credible story, but we get to decide for ourselves - not have some news editor decide for us.
5 posted on 10/24/2001 1:14:22 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The remains and DNA tests please.
6 posted on 10/24/2001 1:14:39 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: monkeyshine
certainly one of the three scenarios I suggested, in connection with these Japanese and Chinese reports.
7 posted on 10/24/2001 1:15:19 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The remains and DNA tests please.

Their heads on pikes please.

8 posted on 10/24/2001 1:16:06 PM PDT by thesharkboy
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To: Stand Watch Listen; headsonpikes
If true, we should put his head on a pike.
9 posted on 10/24/2001 1:16:17 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: thesharkboy
LOL - you beat me (just)
Great minds, you know.
10 posted on 10/24/2001 1:17:00 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: thesharkboy
lol. you are indeed polite!
11 posted on 10/24/2001 1:17:03 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Even if true, the bombing must continue. Until there are no Talibums left alive.
12 posted on 10/24/2001 1:17:15 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: AmericanInTokyo
If true, somebody will be looking to collect their $50 million.
13 posted on 10/24/2001 1:17:23 PM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: AmericanInTokyo
My vote is for disinformation.
14 posted on 10/24/2001 1:18:57 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: AmericanInTokyo
If true, unless they were killed too the perps would have delivered Omar's and Osama's heads to US forces in order to stop the air campaign and pick up the reward.
15 posted on 10/24/2001 1:20:45 PM PDT by financeprof
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To: AmericanInTokyo
They were killed by " SECRET AGENT MAN ."
16 posted on 10/24/2001 1:20:47 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: AmericanInTokyo
To collect the reward, assuming a monetary reward is desired at all and it might not be, the head must be produced. The rest of the global terrorist fungus must also be ripped from the earth before this job order is considered done.
17 posted on 10/24/2001 1:21:07 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: NeonKnight
that's what I thought. Of course, the whole point of putting prices on peoples heads in a place like Afghanistan where loyalties shift at the drop of a Islamic prayer cap. We already knew western sources are working to drive wedges and have their organizations implode with infighting and terminations. Maybe we are seeing the effect of that aspect of the war front finally. Then gain, maybe not. One thing is for sure, the Afghan Ambassador to Pakistan has made a big point of suddenly calling a conference to state clearly that both Omar and Osama are safe and alive; he (the Ambassador) is reported to also be going to Kabul ASAP for consultations. This strikes me as a bit weird.
18 posted on 10/24/2001 1:21:24 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Well that accounts for five of the nine mysterious caskets talked about on a previous thread.
19 posted on 10/24/2001 1:21:35 PM PDT by Attillathehon
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Even if true, this will not be the end of the terrorism.
These scum will now have a couple of martyrs.
20 posted on 10/24/2001 1:21:44 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: antivenom
A great way to hide.....pretend you're dead....watch out for the finger of Red China in all this.
21 posted on 10/24/2001 1:21:47 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: chemainus
My thought is why Yomiuri, a Japanese daily of respected stature, would run with this story.
22 posted on 10/24/2001 1:23:35 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
In a related development, Chelsea Clinton narrowly averted death yet again! She has heard of Afghanistan, and could conceivably have decided to travel there, wandered into a cave, and died as the bullets flew!

Fortunately, she decided to go for a jog in Central Park, instead.

23 posted on 10/24/2001 1:24:16 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Anyone who thinks, including Bush, that this war on the West ends with Osama if a fool.
24 posted on 10/24/2001 1:24:22 PM PDT by okie_tech
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To: AmericanInTokyo
You report, we'll decide
Let's see the bodies, please(look, Im asking nicely)
25 posted on 10/24/2001 1:24:32 PM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: okie_tech
Yes, but of course. There are many, many heads to this terrorist snake. And they all have to be stomped on with our ferocious steel tipped biker boots.
26 posted on 10/24/2001 1:25:41 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: mystery-ak
heck, maybe that's what the journalist from Japan (Yanagita, not Iida Osamu) was up to when he was caught with a satellite phone and photographic equipment outside Kandahar the other day, and is in Taliban custody. Those guys fight like crazy to get the scoop. He might have been moving in to get photos of the carcass or something else. Speculating here, though.
27 posted on 10/24/2001 1:27:46 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: mystery-ak
You know, that's one of the most irritating aspects of the current campaign against Osama. Not only do we not know where he is, we might not even be sure when we kill him.

We're either going to have to depend on the Defense Secretary to tell us Osama's been nailed or the Taliban itself. Ironically enough.

28 posted on 10/24/2001 1:28:24 PM PDT by altayann
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To: AmericanInTokyo; antivenom
They have reported many LOOK ALIKES of Usama....me thinks Osama and Omar are alive.

Interesting. Thinking about those 9 coffins that were reported on in another thread, that were in a Pakistani morgue. There were reports that Osama had at least 9 doubles. Maybe they're just collecting all the doubles, and waiting to confirm if one is the real Osama.

29 posted on 10/24/2001 1:29:21 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Dezinformatsiya

I'll believe it when I see his bloodied, severed head.

30 posted on 10/24/2001 1:29:43 PM PDT by Petronski
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To: Constitution Day

Vir: I want to live just long enough to be there when they cut your head off and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next 10 generations that some favors come at too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?

31 posted on 10/24/2001 1:30:05 PM PDT by No.6
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Wasn't there a report of a taped statement read (unusually) by Omar himself since October 16? I realize it could have been taped prior to then, but I also recollect it referred to events that took place since the 16th. News overload makes my memory unreliable on this point, however.
32 posted on 10/24/2001 1:30:19 PM PDT by lambo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Bodies with fingerprints & teeth intact; or no dice.
33 posted on 10/24/2001 1:30:22 PM PDT by Landru
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Your post #27 is a very keen observation! Thank you!!!
34 posted on 10/24/2001 1:30:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: AmericanInTokyo
First, all these journalists are being paid by both sides to spread information/disinformation, no matter how "reputable" their employer. Next, such news would be used by the ultra-left wing, extreme liberal media to call for a cesation of the bombing. OBL, himself, may have written and paid for the report from this news service.

But, these guys dead are not what we want; we need no more Muslim martyrs. We want them "diappeared" and in the hands of experienced therapist/facilitators who can help them find their inner self and make them spill their guts. I'm thinking Israelis, maybe some senior Argentines or some former Pol Pot folks. You know, healers and helpers. We'll never know, but over the next 5-10 years, the Al-Qaeda murders will disapper ffrom view and fall into the hands of the Oprah-like helpers of some scret federal agency.

35 posted on 10/24/2001 1:31:47 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: AmericanInTokyo
If true, Afghan could have done it to bring to fruition the Osama is martyr scenario.
36 posted on 10/24/2001 1:31:47 PM PDT by yikes
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To: AmericanInTokyo
This is just dumb towelyban disinformation. I have it from reliable sources that OBL set up a look alike over a year ago as a shaved, short-haired wealthy London socialite living like a prince. He has now swithched places with him and no one is the wiser.

Hey, it could happen.

37 posted on 10/24/2001 1:32:20 PM PDT by mercy
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To: AmericanInTokyo
If both leaders were killed by the U.S., would the Taliban would want to divert credit from those kills and claim that their own men turned on them? If the Taliban turned on them, would they want to claim that the U.S. did it? Not that they are that media savvy, but the spin on their deaths would be important. Were they martyred or were they massacred?

Or are they just floating this story so that they can escape to new lives somewhere else?

38 posted on 10/24/2001 1:32:47 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Petronski
"Trust but verify".

zdrasvichye y dosbidanye

39 posted on 10/24/2001 1:33:15 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Al B.
Or was it Austin Powers, baby......yeah!
40 posted on 10/24/2001 1:33:27 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I thought he was still under house arrest?
41 posted on 10/24/2001 1:33:38 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: AmericanInTokyo
From the moment the Taliban began reporting that bubba bin laiden was unharmed I began to suspect he was dead.
42 posted on 10/24/2001 1:34:17 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Then when they hand over the body(ies) then we can move on.

Till then...Fox One! Fox Two!

43 posted on 10/24/2001 1:34:45 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: AmericanInTokyo
WELL, IT SUPPOSEDLY HAPPENED ON "NATIONAL BOSSES DAY-(US).. GOT TO DOUBT IT THOUGH-TOO EASY.
44 posted on 10/24/2001 1:35:27 PM PDT by Helms
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"zdrasvichye y dosbidanye"

Hello and good bye??

45 posted on 10/24/2001 1:35:52 PM PDT by Southack
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I didn't find anything here: http://www.ipl.org/reading/news/
46 posted on 10/24/2001 1:36:24 PM PDT by Johnny_Apollo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Either it is true, partially true or it is false...

Really???

47 posted on 10/24/2001 1:36:48 PM PDT by Aeronaut
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To: AmericanInTokyo
If it is true do you think they are singing:

Ding Dong! The Bin Laden is dead. Which Bin Laden? Osama Bin Laden!

Ding Dong! Osama Bin Laden is dead.

Wake up – diaper heads, rub your eyes, get out of the cave. Wake up, Osama Bin Laden is dead.

He’s gone where dead terrorist go, Below – not with 72 virgins- NO. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and collect the ransom dough.

Ding Dong' the man is dead, sing it high, sing it low. Let them know Osama Bin Laden is dead!

48 posted on 10/24/2001 1:37:40 PM PDT by Cornbread
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To: Southack
good questions. I caveated this story because it was a single news source story, but from a generally trusted news outlet. good thing about Freepers are we can collectively put in thoughts and other snippets of information to see if things fit, or pass the 'smell test'.
49 posted on 10/24/2001 1:38:02 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Bump for great wild speculation
50 posted on 10/24/2001 1:38:56 PM PDT by pushforbush
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