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Rare Full Moon To Light Up Halloween Night ('End-Of-World' Constellation Also Visible )
mycfnow ^ | October 30, | ap

Posted on 10/30/2001 9:25:45 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde

MIAMI -- Ghosts and goblins venturing out this Halloween will be joined by an uncommon guest; a full moon

Halloween will be lit up by a full moon this year for the first time since 1955, astronomers said, and a full moon won't rise on Halloween again until 2020. This is the last chance a witch (hillary) is going to have to ride across the sky on her broom over the full moon for 19 years,'' executive director of the Miami Space Transit Planetarium Jack Horkheimer said.

The full moon will look like an orange jack-o-lantern rising from the east at dusk, he said. It will appear orange at the horizon because it is seen through denser layers of the earth's atmosphere. And the moon's tilt at this time of the year makes the man in the moon particularly visible

Some astronomers even believe jack-o-lantern carving was inspired by the rising October orange moon, Horkheimer said.

To make the superstitious even more jittery, a constellation associated with the some end-of-the-world beliefs will also be at the top of the Oct. 31 night sky.

The Seven Sisters constellation, which looks like a small cluster of grapes, has long been a signal for the time of year to honor the dead which is All Saints Day, Nov. 1.

According to myth, the Seven Sisters constellation is at its highest point in the sky during a great calamity, possibly the biblical flood or the sinking of Atlantis. The Aztecs and Mayans believed it will be overhead at midnight on the night the world comes to an end, Horkheimer said.

He said both the Seven Sisters and the full moon will be directly overhead at midnight.

It's just very nifty because it will be a very bright full moon and when it's up high like that, it will just flood the landscape with a lovely bright light,'' said Horkheimer.


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To: Wrigley
men fall in "love" with their "eyes".....women fall in "love" with their " ears"
101 posted on 10/31/2001 9:07:53 AM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Kozak; areafiftyone
Hate to be a party pooper, but the moon isn't actually full tonight. It continues to wax until 12:41am, at which time it will be full. November 1st is the full moon. See here.
103 posted on 10/31/2001 9:14:34 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: Kozak; areafiftyone
Oops! Here's the info!

Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Washington, District of Columbia (longitude W77.0, latitude N38.9):

Wednesday
31 October 2001
Eastern Standard Time

MOON
Moonrise. . . . . . . . . .4:47 p.m. on preceding day

Moonset . . . . . . . . . . 5:45 a.m. Moonrise. . . . . . . . . . 5:13 p.m. Moon transit. . . . . . . 11:55 p.m. Moonset . . . . . . . . . . 6:47 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 31 October: waxing gibbous with 100% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

Full Moon on 1 November 2001 at 12:41 a.m. Eastern Standard

104 posted on 10/31/2001 9:19:47 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: Kozak; areafiftyone
Let's try that again. . .with better formating!

Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Washington, District of Columbia (longitude W77.0, latitude N38.9):

Wednesday
31 October 2001
Eastern Standard Time

MOON
Moonrise. . . . . . . . . .4:47 p.m. on preceding day
Moonset . . . . . . . . . . 5:45 a.m.
Moonrise. . . . . . . . . . 5:13 p.m.
Moon transit. . . . . . . 11:55 p.m.
Moonset . . . . . . . . . . 6:47 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 31 October: waxing gibbous with 100% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

Full Moon on 1 November 2001 at 12:41 a.m. Eastern Standard

105 posted on 10/31/2001 9:21:38 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
That is correct, the moon wll actually be full at 12:41 AM EST on 11/1/01 but it will appear full tonight.

And everyone should look for Mars in the southwest. It will appear as a red star. And the planet Saturn rises approximately 7 pm in the east and the planet Jupiter will follow approximately two hours later. Both are very bright planets and can't be missed.

106 posted on 10/31/2001 9:22:20 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: WileyCoyote22
Let's keep in mind that the "Seven Sister" constellation is only know by that name in Western Civilization. Eastern civilizations see the Pleaides as a necklace. In Japan, necklace constellation is called "Subaru." The Japanese car company Subaru is named after the constellation. The emblem on Subaru cars is a graphic of the stars in the constellation.

Now lets put this all together. Terrorist attack warnings, full moon, stay away from malls, the Subaru constellation high in the sky....

Beware of Sabaru cars and trucks. There may be strong implications that these innocent vehicles will be used as car/truck bombs tonight.

107 posted on 10/31/2001 9:40:43 AM PST by pcl
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Guilty as charged. And I'll take the second as advice, thank-you.
108 posted on 10/31/2001 10:01:20 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: gnarledmaw
Yes, I've heard of the astronomical signifigance to Mayan culture. It seems like a rather subjective, deterministic and futile outlook on life where the means justified an end which was preordained by astronomy and therefore inevitable. I believe they sacrificed to their gods in the hope of preventing precession. The Branch Dividians believed the world would end in a calamitous firestorm between good and evil. And for them it did.
109 posted on 10/31/2001 10:02:07 AM PST by Justa
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To: WileyCoyote22
One of the Seven Sisters showed up....and as luck would have it...she's Afghani

110 posted on 10/31/2001 10:09:53 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: 2sheep; Lent; Ldy4just; Thinkin' Gal
Pleiades is tied to the flood...
As in the days of Noah...

Can you KASHEYR the MA'ADABOT of Kimah, or PATEY'ACH the MOSHICHOT of Orion?

The King James translates this, Canst thou "bind" the "sweet influences" of Pleiades or "loose" the "cords" of Orion. The context of the verse is Hashem's challenge to Job to know his place as part of Hashem's Creation and to understand that this "binding and loosing" of heavenly powers is the domain of Hashem alone.

But, the context (verses 32-35 below) also gives us a mini-lesson in astronomy and helps us realize that in the day of Job, the constellations, especially the Pleiades, Orion and Ursa Major were among those known.

32 Can you bring forth MAZZAROT (the 12 major constellations identified with the Zodiac) in his season? or can you guide AYISH (the Great Bear or Ursa Major) with his sons (the minor constellations)?
33 Do you know the ordinances of heaven? Can you set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover you?
35 Can you send out BARAKIM (lightnings), that they go, and say unto you, Here we are?

To understand exactly what Job 38:31 may be alluding to, we need to define -- or I should say REDEFINE -- some terms and then plug in the definitions that make the most sense in the context of this passage.  Our sources will be the authoritative Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew Lexicon (BDB) and the Sefer Milim of the Targumim, Talmud Babli, Yerushalmi and Midrashic Literature by Marcus Jastrow (Jastrow).

KAYSHEYR - Strongs 7194 = tie or link together (BDB) = fold (Jastrow).

MA'ADABOT - Strongs 4575 = bonds or bands or a group (BDB) = chains or things that bind (Jastrow).

PATEYACH - Strongs 6605 = open, free or loosen (BDB) = stretch out (Jastrow)

MOSHICHOT - Strongs 4189 = a cord or something used to draw items together (BDB) Jastrow agrees. We might add that an everyday item used as a MOSHICHOT is a BELT.

So you could accurately retranslate Job 38:31:

Can you FOLD the chains (that bind together) the Kimah or LOOSEN the cords (or belt) of Orion?

Some 40 years ago, my Abba, who was the commandant of an allied POW camp of Italian prisoners who rebuilt Egypt and the Sudan after World War II, told me of his first visit to the Egyptian pyramids, which always held a fascination with him.  He made that visit under a black moonless but starlit sky, and noted that the three stars of the belt of Orion hovered above the three pyramids below in the Giza plain.  What struck him as curious was that the three pyramids did not quite form a straight line.  Rather one of them was offset, he told me, REMARKABLY SIMILAR, he had observed, TO THE BELT IN THE CONSTELLATION ORION!

In recent centuries, Egyptologists have concluded that the pyramids may be much older than we have first suspected and MAY HAVE BEEN EXISTENT AT THE TIME OF THE FLOOD OF NOACH. Here is where it gets interesting because the Constellation KIMAH is associated directly with the Flood of Noach in Talmudic and Midrashic literature! So we can begin to see why Hashem quizzed Job with questions about the KIMAH and Orion contextually related to a "flood of waters" in verse 34: Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover you?

The Torah sages wrote that Hashem

"took two stars away from KIMAH and brought the flood!"

This is alluded to in at least four places in Talmud Rosh HaShana, 11b and Talmud Baba M'tzia, 106b.  It is also found in two other rabbinic writings: Ta'anith I bottom of 64a; and B'midbar Rabbah 10.  The word KIMAH itself is found in more than a dozen places in the Jerusalem Talmud, 10 places in the Babylonian Talmud, 16 places in Rashi's commentary to the Babylonian Talmud and 16 places in the Tosefta to the Babylonian Talmud.  Every Orthodox rabbi and most non-Orthodox rabbis should be well familiar with this constellation and its relationship to the flood of Noah.

 Here are a few of the most specific references:

Talmud Rosh Hashana 11b: It has been taught: 'In the sixth hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month. R. Joshua said: That day was the seventeenth day of Iyar, when the constellation of KIMAH sets at daybreak and the fountains begin to dry up, and because they [mankind] perverted their ways, the Holy One, blessed be He, changed for them the work of creation and made the constellation of KIMAH rise at daybreak and took two stars from the KIMAH and brought a flood on the world. R. Eliezer said: That day was the seventeenth of Heshvan, a day on which the constellation of KIMAH rises at daybreak, and [the season] when the fountains begin to fill.  FOOTNOTE TO THE TALMUD: There seems to be some confusion in the text here. To make it astronomically correct we should read (with the Seder Olam) in the dictum of R. Joshua, 'When KIMAH rises at daybreak', and in the dictum of R. Eliezer, 'sets at daybreak'.

see www.torahvoice.org/pleiades.htm for more...


111 posted on 10/31/2001 2:21:29 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Very interesting!
112 posted on 10/31/2001 2:42:50 PM PST by Lent
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To: Lent; 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal
BTW, November 3 = 17 Cheshvan...

1. Introduction

  In this paper I would like to explore the calendrical and theological relationships between the spring months and the fall months, between the spring festivals and the fall festivals. Lets start by looking at Yoel (Joel) 2:23 as translated by several different versions

  NAS:
Yoel (Joel) 2:23 So rejoice, O sons of Zion, And be glad in the \Lord\ your God; For He has given you the early rain for {your} vindication. And He has poured down for you the rain, The early and latter rain as before.

  NIV:
Yoel (Joel) 2:23 Be glad, O people of Zion, rejoice in the LORD your God, for he has given you the autumn rains in righteousness. He sends you abundant showers, both autumn and spring rains, as before.

  KJV:
Yoel (Joel) 2:23   Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first [month].

YHVH:
And you children of Tsiyon, be glad and rejoice in YHVH your Elohim, for He shall give you the Teacher of Righteousness, and cause the rain to come down for you, the former rain and the latter rain, as before. 
[my version!]

Strong's defines FORMER RAIN as:

  4175 mowreh, mo-reh'; from 3384; an archer; also teacher or teaching; also the early rain (see 3138):-(early, former) rain.

  Strong's defines MODERATELY as:

  6666 tsedaqah, tsed-aw-kaw'; from 6663; rightness (abstr.), subj. (rectitude), obj. (justice), mor. (virtue) or fig. (prosperity):- justice, moderately, right (-eous) (act, -ly, -ness).

  ---------------- Dictionary Trace --------------- 6663 tsadaq, tsaw-dak'; a prim. root; to be (causat. make) right (in a moral or forensic sense):-cleanse, clear self, (be, do) just (-ice, -ify, -ify self), (be, turn to) righteous (-ness).

  Strong's defines LATTER RAINS as:

  4456 malqowsh, mal-koshe'; from 3953; the spring rain (comp. 3954); fig. eloquence:-latter rain.

-------------- Dictionary Trace ------------------ 3953 laqash, law-kash'; a prim. root; to gather the after crop:-gather.

  3954 leqesh, leh'-kesh; from 3953; the after crop:-latter growth.

  So, the remez of this verse indicates that the teacher of righteousness will come in the autumn! Now lets note when these rains occur during the year, according to the Talmud:

  Ta'anith 5a GEMARA. R. Nahman said to R. Isaac: Does then the former rain [fall] in Nisan? The former rain surely [falls] in Marcheshvan. It has been taught: Former rain, [falls] in Marcheshvan and latter rain in Nisan.

  Ta'anith 6a Our Rabbis have taught: Former rain [falls] in Marcheshvan and latter rain in Nisan. You say, Former rain in Marcheshvan and latter rain in Nisan; perhaps it is otherwise, former rain in Tishri and latter rain in Iyar? The text [therefore] adds, in its due season.

  The Torah records that the flood in the days of Noah began in Cheshvan (Marcheshvan):

  Bereshit (Genesis) 7:10-12 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

  It rained for forty days and forty nights, stopping on Kislev 28, the fourth day of Chanukah.

http://www.tckillian.com:8080/greg/rains.html

***

17 Cheshvan is this sabbath!

Some [more] stuff I forgot to add...

113 posted on 10/31/2001 2:55:04 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Bump for 111 and 113. Thanks, JJ, fascinating info!
114 posted on 10/31/2001 3:20:17 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Good info. PLUS you beat TG to the word study.
115 posted on 10/31/2001 3:53:13 PM PST by Lent
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To: WileyCoyote22
hmmmmmmmthen close your eyes and listen with your heart
118 posted on 10/31/2001 4:10:01 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: WileyCoyote22
Stop and go outdoors. The moon is quite spectacular this evening and you can see the "face" so clearly!
119 posted on 10/31/2001 4:10:46 PM PST by Patria One
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