New law contains ID-card proposal (they sneaked it in)

Tucked quietly into the counterterrorism package that President Bush signed into law last week is a measure that could require foreigners to use identification cards to enter the United States.

A spokesman for Sen. Christopher S. Bond, Missouri Republican, confirmed yesterday that his ID-card proposal was included in the legislation at the last minute before the House and Senate gave final approval to the overall bill.

is a measure that could require foreigners to use identification cards to enter the United States.

Good. Those who are freaked out about a "national id card" also have:

Drivers Licenses,
Social Security Cards,
Hunting Licenses,
Employee ID Cards,
Vehicle Registration Papers,
Insurance Cards in their vehicles, and
Credit Cards.

Having a card to verify one is truly a citizen without warrants against him/her is just one more thin piece of plastic to carry. Go for it.

It is clear that the marxist scum in congress, federal agencies, and administration are using 9-11 as the leverage for their final shredding of the few aspects of the former Constitution that are still left to us.

These statist elite are having the best time of their political lives with phony laws and regulations that:

Increase the ability to confiscate property ;
Support increased SWAT violence;
Eliminate the last vestiges of privacy;
Allow un-controlled spying on every citizen's mail, email, and phone conversations;
Implement phony airport-security rules designed specifically to innoculate all peasants with the love of total government control; and,
Partner with the banking industry to carefully monitor how the peasants spend their money.

In the meantime, the President continues to sneak the klintoon's final burst of marxist regulations into place.

Does anybody remember how we (at FR) exulted in the nomination and appointment of an Attorney General who claimed he was an avowed supporter of the former Constitution? HAH!

"Drivers Licenses,
Social Security Cards,
Hunting Licenses,
Employee ID Cards,
Vehicle Registration Papers,
Insurance Cards in their vehicles, and
Credit Cards. "
Then why would we need yet another???

"Having a card to verify one is truly a citizen without
warrants against him/her is just one more thin piece of
plastic to carry."
Its easy enough for the police to determine whether you
have outstanding warrants right now. Why go the the trouble
and enormous expense? I would argue this system could
never work because you can never verify the identity of the
potential cardholder.

Drivers Licenses,
Social Security Cards,
Hunting Licenses,
Employee ID Cards, Insurance Cards in their vehicles, and
Credit Cards.
Having a card to verify one is truly a citizen without warrants against him/her is just one more thin piece of plastic to carry

I'm going to kill this twisted piece of non-logic once and for all.

1. If the national ID won't do anything that all those cards already do, what would be its purpose? Wouldn't it be redundant?

2. Each and every one of those cards, even the SS card, is voluntary. The national ID wouldn't be.

3. Not one of the cards you mentioned carries biometric data such as fingerprints and retina scans.

I'm going to kill this twisted piece of non-logic once and for all.
1. If the national ID won't do anything that all those cards already do, what would be its purpose? Wouldn't it be redundant?
2. Each and every one of those cards, even the SS card, is voluntary. The national ID wouldn't be.

3. Not one of the cards you mentioned carries biometric data such as fingerprints and retina scans.

Still breathin'. Now, to your queries. :) To wit:
1. I never said a national id card would do "anything" all the other cards did. Rather, my point was that there are similar state-sponsored, nearly universal cards. I'm betting 99.99999% of Americans don't resist these. Rather, they want them. So it wouldn't be redundant. Of course, if there were a way to ENCODE current cards with national id info, then that would be an economical way of handling it.

2. In reality, these cards aren't really voluntary, are they? You might SAY Social Security cards are voluntary, but truthfully, IN PRACTICE, they aren't. I remember when my child was born, he needed a social security number before he left the hospital. Auto insurance is required if you own a vehicle in many states. Voluntary, yes...if you own a vehicle, it isn't.

3. You are correct. Hence the need for a national id card. Then law breakers and suspects can be id'd if need be. Of course law breakers and suspects will not carry a card, but if we have a database of bad guy's retina scans, how easy it would be to keep one from boarding a plane.

I doubt the national id card will happen, primarily because of concerns like yours. I just don't share those concerns. :) Rest easy, friend.

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