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ISRAEL DISCLOSES ITS NUCLEAR OPTION
MENL ^ | 11/03/2001 | MENL

Posted on 11/03/2001 3:21:38 AM PST by CommiesOut

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To: timestax
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151 posted on 11/08/2001 9:23:54 PM PST by timestax
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To: Patria One
Palestine was a name made up by the Romans after they caused the diaspora. It was derived from Phillistine, a people the Israelites wiped out hundreds of years earlier. The romans called the lands of Judea, Samaria, etc., Palestine as an insult to Jews they committed genocide against.

Read Joseph Farah on WND, he knows the truth that PALs are afraid to admit.

152 posted on 11/09/2001 12:02:53 AM PST by Mr. Snrub
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To: adolfus34
Israel and the U.S. always does the dirty work for Muslims.

Whether its blowing up nuke plants in Iraq (Iran & Israel were friends then) or saving Kuwait from the Iraqis.

153 posted on 11/09/2001 12:11:37 AM PST by Mr. Snrub
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To: Mr. Snrub
You may also note that there was no country of Israel for a couple thousand years. Whatever you call it, those people.. those Palestinians.. who are fighting for their property, resources and culture have been in the area for about 5,000 years. Rest assured the Palestinians did not immigrate from Europe.

You will also note that the Jews left Palestine to go to Egypt when there was famine, but ultimately they couldn't get on with the Egyptians either. I have often wondered about that.

154 posted on 11/09/2001 3:37:32 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Patria One
Dumb statement: There was no Israel until 1948

From a few thousand years ago we read in the Bible:

Gen.15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Deut.11:24 Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be.

Josh 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, 2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel. 3 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. 4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.

1Sam.13:19 Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears: 20 But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines, to sharpen every man his share, and his coulter, and his ax, and his mattock. 21 Yet they had a file for the mattocks, and for the coulters, and for the forks, and for the axes, and to sharpen the goads. 22 So it came to pass in the day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people that were with Saul and Jonathan:[great pro-2nd amendment argument here] but with Saul and with Jonathan his son was there found.

Ezek.37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

155 posted on 11/09/2001 6:01:51 AM PST by razorbak
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To: Patria One
In 1903 at the Zionist Conference in Basel Switzerland the speakers, who were European and American Jews, constantly referred to "Palestine".

There's been a "Sahara desert" for a long time too... to have a name to refer to a region means nothing in and of itself. Palestine has never been a self-ruled place. It was always under someone else. Why stop now?

156 posted on 11/09/2001 6:10:26 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: Patria One
You know, that's a good point someone just made. How can you justify a Palestinian state on the basis that Chaucer and Shakespear mentioned the region of Palestine, but not justify Israel when biblical literature mentions Israel as a country far earlier? Why are Shakespeare and Chaucer so much more important than the authors of the Bible?
157 posted on 11/09/2001 6:15:11 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: Patria One
Israel is hardly economically successful. What can you be thinking of? Palestinians provide cheap labor and the US provides a tremendous amount of foreign aid since the early 1950s, but Israel doesn't have any natural resources and you must know that the tech sector and the tourism sector are both in the tank.

Then how will a Palestinian state survive? Who'll be supporting them? If it's another country, an Arab country, will that invalidate them the way you seem to think our support of Israel invalidates their sovereignty?

158 posted on 11/09/2001 6:18:16 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: aruanan
Not quite. You're guilty of reifying here. There is no such group as Native American Indians. That's just a unitary term applied to a large number of different populations of different languages, religions, histories, and even distinct genetic differences which all happened to be occupying different geographical areas, fighting each other, making alliances, moving around, moving in, displacing other groups. And, no, "America" doesn't belong to them except to the extent that they are born into America as American citizens.

THANK YOU!!!

159 posted on 11/09/2001 6:22:19 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: Patria One
"Just In Case You Didn't Know ... 3 MILLION JEWS ARE WORTH MORE THAN BILLIONS OF: ISLAMIC DEMONIACS!"

You're not a racist, are you?

(whisper: Islam is not a race. It's a choice.)

160 posted on 11/09/2001 6:25:04 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: Anamensis
You're welcome. My pleasure!
161 posted on 11/09/2001 7:10:15 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Anamensis
For clarification~ I was quoting Simcha who evidently is a racist.
162 posted on 11/09/2001 7:26:13 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Anamensis
They are hardly more important that the Bible. The point is that there was no Israel until 1948, but the land has been called Palestine for a long, long time. You really should read the thread so you get 'context' of a conversation.

The Palestinians were THERE_ The Zionists immigrated from Europe to colonize inhabited lands.

163 posted on 11/09/2001 7:29:32 AM PST by Patria One
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To: razorbak
See what Jesus said in Luke 19: 43.. . and do try to remember that the Romans leveled Jerusalem in 70 AD and most of the Jews left.

There was no Israeli language, no Israeli country, No Israeli currency etc for nearly 2000 years.. until the European refugees from Christian persecution decided to colonize Palestine in the 1900s.

164 posted on 11/09/2001 7:33:14 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Republic of Texas
bttt
165 posted on 11/09/2001 8:22:00 AM PST by timestax
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To: Patria One
I did read the thread. And from what I can see, you aren't making much of a case. There WERE Jews in Palestine when the Brits won it from the Turks in WWI you know. Plenty of Jews. You act like it was a country that the UN took and gave over to strangers. Not at all. The area was full of Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Both Muslims and Jews were clamouring for control when it became obvious that the Brits were going to pull out. They had to give it to someone. Why should the Muslims have gotten it over the Jews? They were BOTH THERE! And as for this constant cry about European imports, you know, an AWFUL lot of those so-called Palestinians are imports from Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. What about that?
166 posted on 11/09/2001 2:56:01 PM PST by Anamensis
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To: Anamensis
Yeah, and there are thousands of miles of land in Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc. for these so called "Palestinians" to make their "State"!!!
167 posted on 11/11/2001 3:16:46 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
"Palestinians need to get lost!!
168 posted on 11/11/2001 3:17:19 AM PST by timestax
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To: Patria One
Your posts are so devoid of fact it is incredible.
Even after the diaspora the Israelis have had a significant presence in the land.

Israeli language and culture has never gone away, where is the "palestinian" language or culture? When did the group of Arabs who refer to themselves as Palestinians ever control the country anyway?

Approximately 70% of the land availible for purchase was bought up by Israelis prior to 1948. The Arabs started emmigrating to Israel en masse because they thought they could get a free lunch at Israels expense.The arab population in the mid 19th century was only 250,000 and they lived under terrible conditions. When the Israelis started to return to their land which they had purchased and spent more money on developing the Arabs moved in also to see what they could grab.

169 posted on 11/11/2001 3:35:56 AM PST by winslow
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To: winslow; Patria One
These are good points, and why do the pro-Pals always disappear when they come up? Whenever any of the following points are mentioned, they never have an answer. And I do actually want an answer to the following:

1.) Why were the Jews not justified in keeping what they won in 1967 when it was the Arabs who attacked first?

2.) Why are transplants from Jordan who call themselves "Palestinian" somehow more valid than Jews from Europe who call themselves "Israeli"?

3.) Why do they always act like Arabs were pushed off their land when lots of it was swamp land that the Jews drained and cultivated, or bought legally pre-1948?

4.) The Arabs have turned down every previous offer to create a Palestinian state. Why?

5.) Why do they call Israel "oppressive" when a million muslim Arabs have Israeli citizenship and even those considered "refugees" have more freedom than citizens of Arab states around them?

I'd sure like some of the pro-Pals to address these questions.

170 posted on 11/11/2001 7:04:43 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: Anamensis
They don't like those questions of yours.
171 posted on 11/11/2001 8:47:28 AM PST by timestax
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To: Patria One
REMEMBER the Amalekites!!

Remember Haman in the Book of Esther!!!!

172 posted on 11/11/2001 11:13:18 AM PST by timestax
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To: CommiesOut
REMEMBER The Amalikites!!
173 posted on 11/11/2001 11:14:21 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Absolutely, brother.
Without the Amalikites there is no future.
174 posted on 11/11/2001 11:40:53 AM PST by CommiesOut
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To: timestax
REMEMBER what happened to Haman in the Book of Esther!!

Don't try to wipe out the Jewish race.

175 posted on 11/11/2001 12:28:15 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Remember the Amalekites!!
176 posted on 11/11/2001 9:46:36 PM PST by timestax
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To: winslow
Why don't you do some research on the Census in Palestine beginning about 1920? You are mouthing all the Zionist myths without taking a look at the facts.

If the Jews had a continuous presense in Palestine, where is evidence of same? There was no Hebrew spoken.

177 posted on 11/12/2001 4:21:23 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Patria One
You don't have to speak Hebrew to be Jewish. Hebrew is a recently revived languge. So, is it your contention that there were no Jews in that area prior to 1920? Care to tell us where you get that info? Care to answer any of my earlier questions?
178 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:32 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: Patria One
Remember what happened to Haman in the Book of Esther!!!

and Remember the Amalekites!!

179 posted on 11/12/2001 11:16:52 AM PST by timestax
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To: Patria One
Remember what happened to Haman in the Book of Esther!!!

and Remember the Amalekites!!

Have a Nice Day

180 posted on 11/12/2001 11:17:17 AM PST by timestax
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To: razorbak
bump to the top!!
181 posted on 11/12/2001 11:18:05 AM PST by timestax
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To: CommiesOut
There has been a rumor among the Intell. Services for decades that Israel has at least 2 nukes targeted in on the Aswan Dam. This was supposed to have caused Egypt to back off from the 'Crush Israel' position. Anyway the point is Israel has nukes. They will use them if their backs are to the wall.
182 posted on 11/12/2001 11:27:37 AM PST by vladog
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To: CommiesOut
Israel has 200 nukes?

Where do they hide them all?

Under Sharon's bed?

They wouldn't exaggerate now, would they?

I wonder if they are contemplating a "nuclear Masada" ?

Would solve a lot of problems wouldn't it?

183 posted on 11/12/2001 12:11:23 PM PST by muleboy
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To: vladog
bump to the top for the newbies coming on board
184 posted on 11/12/2001 8:17:55 PM PST by timestax
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To: hove
bump to the top!!
185 posted on 11/13/2001 6:12:47 PM PST by timestax
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To: Mr. Snrub
The Romans did not make up the name Palestine. The name is already mentioned by Herodotus in the 5th century B.C., hundreds of years before the Romans conquered that area, and it doesn't appear that Herodotus made up the name--it was already in use.

I don't know when the Philistines lose their separate identity but I am not aware of any passage in the Bible where the Israelites wipe them out. In Zephaniah 2.5 there is a reference to "Canaan, the land of the Philistines."

186 posted on 11/13/2001 7:00:51 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Remember the Amalekites!
187 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:31 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Saul lost his job for not killing the king of the Amalekites (I Samuel 15).

There is a reference to Philistines in Genesis 21.32, in the time of Abraham, which is supposed to be before the Philistines settled in Palestine. In the Septuagint Greek version of the Bible, they are there called Phylistiim, but in many passages where the English translations have "Philistines" the Septuagint has "allophyloi" (foreigners).

Ezekiel 25.15-17 and Zechariah 9.5-7 predict destruction for the Philistines, which suggests there were still Philistines in the 6th century B.C. Gosta Ahlstrom, The History of Ancient Palestine, page 825, says the city of Ashkelon was Phoenician in the Persian period; Gaza was not Phoenician but "seems to have been part of the Arab economic sphere." Whether the people living in the old Philistine cities considered themselves Philistines is one thing; the Biblical authors may have continued to call them Philistines for historical reasons anyway.

188 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:59 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
I believe it's these same Amalekites that are thorn in the side of Isreal today. The so called "Palistinians". Right?!
189 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:23 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
...a thorn in the side of Israel...
190 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:42 PM PST by timestax
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To: CommiesOut
bttt
191 posted on 11/16/2001 1:14:40 PM PST by timestax
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To: muleboy
bump for the newbies
193 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:58 PM PST by timestax
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To: Patria One
Genesis 32 was written in 1948?

I don't think so. I'll see your Shakepeare and Chaucer and raise you two millenia.

194 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:07 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Mr. Snrub
I think it's an irrelvant discussion; the only sure way to trace where contemporary Palestinians come from is gene analysis. I think I read recently they're closer to the Jews than any other living group, and many of them may well be remnant Jews who were forcibly converted to islam

But in any case, this is a mention of Palestine that predates the Roman conquest.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/GreekScience/hdtbk2.html

195 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:08 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
LOL.. My post was badly writen_ Herodotus sure does predate Shakespeare or Chaucer! Well done.
196 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:18 PM PST by Patria One
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To: Patria One
REMEMBER the Amalekites--and remember what Saul failed to do.
197 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:11 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Of ALL the tribes in the region over the generations, remember who wrote the story.
198 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:04 PM PST by Patria One
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To: Patria One
So are you going to argue with GOD for his choice of people to write history. You are just in denial that GOD can, and did had a favorite group of people that he has chosen for great and miraclulous events.

Can't a pottery worker/artist have a favorite vase, or work of art? Are you going to argue with GOD about HIS decision making. Well go to it!!

199 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:58 PM PST by timestax
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To: vladog
bump
200 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:59 PM PST by timestax
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