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Objectively Pro-Terrorist Pacifists
Mercurial Times ^ | November 8, 2001 (but more on that below) | Aaron Armitage

Posted on 11/12/2001 12:06:18 PM PST by A.J.Armitage

During WWII, George Orwell observed that pacifism was objectively pro-fascist because it weakened the war effort and thus was, in its effects, in favor of the other side. Honesty compels us to the same conclusion about some of our fellow countrymen: they are with the terrorists.

There are two wrong ways to react to the terrorist attacks on September 11, neither of which, fortunately, is being pursued by our government so far. One is to create a wider war between the West and Islam, which we would win in the end, but at too high a cost to ourselves. A lesser consideration against it is that it would punish many innocent Middle Easterners. Such a war may ultimately occur, but it's an outcome we should try to avoid. The other is to do too little. Bin Laden probably expected one of these two reactions, either of which would have played into his hands. The first would radicalize relatively moderate Middle Easterners in his direction, and the second would make our nation look weak and increase his prestige. Bush has wisely steered between these two, following a policy of attacking the terrorist and their supporters, but not taking unnecessary action.

Neoconservatives, who've been spoiling for a fight since the end of the Cold War, are supporting the first wrong way. On the other side is a certain pacifistic segment of the Left. Only pacifists can oppose our current actions, because it would be hard to imagine a situation that more justifies a military response than an attack killing thousands of people and biological warfare against the American people. If you don't support action after this, you can never support it. A typical pacifist sentiment was expressed by Alice Walker when she said of bin Laden, "But what would happen to his cool armor if he could be reminded of all the good, nonviolent things he has done? Further, what would happen to him if he could be brought to understand the preciousness of the lives he has destroyed? I firmly believe the only punishment that works is love."

She doesn't understand that they aren't like us. Some of the things Americans consider essential to humanity turn out not to be so: they are alien to Islamic fundamentalists. This fact ought to be evident from the fact that they consider killing innocent people a meritorious act (which in itself destroys her "argument"; she presumes bin Laden shares her moral universe, and he doesn't). Even the non-terrorist Islamic fundamentalists aren't like us. Look, for example, at the way they treat women. In large parts of the Islamic world, they mutilate girls' vaginas to prevent them from having sexual pleasure when they become women. In Islamic fundamentalist countries, even ones on our side, women must have their faces hidden and are often denied education or the right to work. No man who has ever experienced romantic love for a woman could ever tolerate such customs. The Taliban outlawed music. The things that compose our daily lives and our whole life experiences are unknown to them.

The most fundamental problem with pacifism is that it makes no distinction between aggression and defense or retaliation. Pacifism cannot but place a rapist and a woman who kills a would-be rapist on the same moral level. No doubt many, if not most, actual pacifists would never do that, but this is their common sense overcoming their ideological principles. By hampering defense and retaliation, pacifism is always on the side of the aggressor, and as such is fundamentally immoral in its effects. It is an ideology dedicated to making good men do nothing, or at least nothing effectual.

Pacifism means passive victimhood before anyone who cares to assert himself by force. No wonder so many of the same people support gun control. Left unsaid, of course, is how gun control is to be enforced without the use or at least threat of violence. I suppose gun owners are supposed to see the "light" and turn their guns in. This will happen about the same time Osama bin Laden understands the preciousness of the lives he destroyed. Pacifism is dangerously disconnected from the real world; in order to work, everyone would have to abjure any and all violence. There is such a thing as evil in this world, and there are evil people who must be resisted.

Pacifism would do to nations what gun control does to individuals: leave them helpless before masked men with dark intentions.


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KEYWORDS: libertarians; paleolist
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To: Uriel1975
Well, you can't get everything right.
41 posted on 11/12/2001 4:56:36 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: ex-snook
You're right. Your statement that we should "Get bin Laden, than over and out for good," is my middle course, between starting a wider war and pacifism.
42 posted on 11/12/2001 4:58:41 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: DoughtyOne
If my wife were being assulted and I didn't use force to stop it, I'd say that was evil.

Even if you believed that, as a result, she would spend eternity in heaven while you, for using force, would be condemned to hell, never to see her again?
43 posted on 11/12/2001 5:11:57 PM PST by BikerNYC
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If my wife were being assulted and I didn't use force to stop it, I'd say that was evil. ~~~ Even if you believed that, as a result, she would spend eternity in heaven while you, for using force, would be condemned to hell, never to see her again?

Force in defense of Rights is Moral.

DoughtyOne would perhaps be in danger of hellfire if he were to fail to defend his family; but the employment of Force in defense of his family might well earn him "Good and Faithful Servant" stripes on his "Godly Husband" uniform.

44 posted on 11/12/2001 5:26:41 PM PST by Uriel1975
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To: A.J.Armitage
Well done A.J.! Keep 'em coming. I always enjoy your writing.

I must add, that it is always most enjoyable to read your responses to those that question your thesis. Your wisdom belies your age! :)

Thanks for the bump!

45 posted on 11/12/2001 5:35:35 PM PST by RedWing9
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To: A.J.Armitage
By hampering defense and retaliation, pacifism is always on the side of the aggressor, and as such is fundamentally immoral in its effects.

Pacifism means passive victimhood before anyone who cares to assert himself by force

Pacifism would do to nations what gun control does to individuals: leave them helpless before masked men with dark intentions

A most excellent essay BUMP to you, A.J.Thank you for the ping!
Is it okay if I use this elsewhere?

46 posted on 11/12/2001 7:13:13 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: BikerNYC
Have you ever heard of a group called the children of Israel? Guy, the Lord God sanctioned their battles. How can you say that I would not be saved because I defended my wife? I think you guys have a twisted vision of what the Lord expects from us. To go out and kill for no reason is not right, but to kill in the defense of what is right, is a noble cause.
47 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:12 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: susangirl
Sure, just make sure the byline's there.
48 posted on 11/12/2001 7:16:42 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
Of course!
And, AJ, really, really good work!
49 posted on 11/12/2001 7:37:33 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
And, AJ, really, really good work!

Thanks.

50 posted on 11/12/2001 7:38:25 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
BTTT- the article is right about the pitfalls of pacifism but it may be lost on those who are determined to be that way.
51 posted on 11/12/2001 8:52:52 PM PST by mafree
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To: A.J.Armitage
Sorry aout that AJ, things have been really busy for me lately, I hope they calm down soon and I can get back to normal.
52 posted on 11/13/2001 12:56:44 AM PST by WolfsView
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To: A.J.Armitage
Bump
55 posted on 11/13/2001 5:34:23 AM PST by Dustbunny
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To: DoughtyOne
How can you say that I would not be saved because I defended my wife?

I'm not saying it that. I'm saying that this is what the Amish sincerely believe in. You claimed not to defend your wife was evil, and I said that the pacifism of the Amish did not appear evil to me. If you sincerely held a belief that committing violence was a horrible sin, then it is not unreasonable to me that you would let your wife die (who also is a pacifist) and go to heaven, with you to join her someday (as opposed to you going to hell for committing an act of violence).

I think you guys have a twisted vision of what the Lord expects from us.

I don't have any view of what the lord expects from us.

To go out and kill for no reason is not right, but to kill in the defense of what is right, is a noble cause.

I don't disagree. I'm not a pacifist myself. But I don't agree that a sincerely held belief in pacifism cannot also be a noble cause.
56 posted on 11/13/2001 5:52:36 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: A.J.Armitage
bump for an exellent work
57 posted on 11/13/2001 6:04:46 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Uriel1975
Excellent #37. It's nice to see the priorities in war gotten straight for a change.

Cordially,

58 posted on 11/13/2001 7:52:17 AM PST by Diamond
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To: A.J.Armitage
Isolation was fine in a peaceful world dominated by European powers their r just too many threats today.
60 posted on 11/13/2001 8:35:32 AM PST by weikel
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