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Former NTSB Official Doubts Accident Caused Flight 587 Crash
NewsMax.com ^ | 11/12/01

Posted on 11/13/2001 3:32:01 AM PST by vrwc54

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To: MasonGal
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21 posted on 11/13/2001 4:24:10 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: BeforeISleep
Different times, indeed!

I suppose 'we' should have realized that a WTC event was probable. But the govt is truly negligent in not taking the proper precautions to keep these lands secure. NOW, that the horse is escaping the barn, they are trying to close the door on it, but it's too late. Plus the fact that they are neglecting the BACK door to the 'barn'....the inflow of foreigners...STILL.

Hate to say it... but thank GOD that this IS the land of a certain Constitutional right.

22 posted on 11/13/2001 4:24:57 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: MasonGal
Thanks for letting us know that Vernon Grose was on.
23 posted on 11/13/2001 4:28:03 AM PST by firewalk
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To: MasonGal
I came in at the end of the interview. Can you tell us what was said and if there was anything new?
24 posted on 11/13/2001 4:30:44 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: MasonGal; All
Does anyone remember, when the airways re-opened after 911, the story (it was widely reported) about the United pilot in Denver who made the anouncement encouraging passengers to rise up and retaliate in the event of a hijacking?

As I recall, it was on UA flight 587. Am I wrong?

25 posted on 11/13/2001 4:31:34 AM PST by TheRightGuy
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To: mommadooo3
Well put. Your on the right track.
26 posted on 11/13/2001 4:34:01 AM PST by Nimitz
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To: vrwc54
Didn't that Air Egypt flight also have a problem with a stabilizer?
27 posted on 11/13/2001 4:35:36 AM PST by aristeides
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To: mommadooo3
Good points. If the tortured, labyrinthine explanations of an accident don't play in Peoria, can you imagine anyone, anywhere believing a government statement again? In a way, this whole atrocity thing has a bright spot: sheeple will begin looking at government the way the Founders did and the way it should be viewed.

The bad thing about the bright spot is that everyone will be as cynical as Jammer.

28 posted on 11/13/2001 4:37:53 AM PST by jammer
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To: aristeides
Air Egypt had a problem with an unstable pilot! Probably because there were some high up Israeles on and he was doin his damn jihad!
29 posted on 11/13/2001 4:42:04 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: jammer
Jammer, I wish we were all as cynical as you. This thing doesn't fly at all. I think that we will see more questions being raised as the day progresses. We may even see a complete reversal in theory being espoused by the NTSB and FBI. My take on it is that these two orgs have newly developed PR teams that are staying aprised with the sentiment of the nation. Hell, they may even have lurkers here.

My guess is that Bush's media/PR machinery is not going to risk negating the good will and support of the overall populace by espouzing a lie that will not be bought. The gaging of the lie is being surveyed and assessed RIGHT NOW! A decision will be made in the next few hours whether to support the lie or go with people.

30 posted on 11/13/2001 4:48:17 AM PST by Nimitz
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To: Alabama_Wild_Man
Ping
31 posted on 11/13/2001 4:48:35 AM PST by KentuckyWoman
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To: Nimitz
My guess is that Bush's media/PR machinery is not going to risk negating the good will

Good Point! I think we've already seen that. Ari's press conference was more balanced than statements from the NTSB or others. And Bush used the word "incident" not "accident."

32 posted on 11/13/2001 4:54:19 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Nimitz
Oooooooo, cynicism is NOT a dreaded disease. One that leads to a longer life! LOL...and FreeRepublic goes a LONG way to feeding the 'cynic'.

Mr. Bush....if you and your spin machine are reading this, don't try the lies and cover-up schtick. It didn't work with klintler/hitlery/gorsky, it WON'T work for you! Besides.....it would go against your religious beliefs, the one about 'bearing false witness'. I know, I live it, and so a LOT of OTHER Americans. LOL.

33 posted on 11/13/2001 4:55:45 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: vrwc54
--tell ya what is really being glossed over. Several of the eyewitness reports a pop-pop-pop BANG noise. They also report helicopters and military fighter jets very close by. Sounds a lot more to me like cannon fire than anything else, leading to an el kaboom, and the pieces falling off in a weird pattern.

So then, you'd have to ask "Say what? Why?", well maybe since 9-11 they have some panic button, voice not needed, anything going wrong with a plane, the pilot pushes a button, this signal is transmitted down and around the command and control food chain in a timely manner, to whomever is flying aircap, and I doubt that NYC DOESN'T have 24/7 armed military aircap right now. So, someone in that chain misinterprets a warning signal, someone else gets the nod to "do their duty", and a whoopsie daisy is the result.

The government already said clearly "no more hijackings", zero tolerance, they get shot down, so perhaps a minor mechanical problem got misinterpreted as a hijacking, one thing leads to another in a very short time span, and you got plane A on ground B, minus parts C, D, and E which got blown off and fell elsewheres, the biggest chunk out over the water where the noises were when it all started, and where it might have been safer for a "takedown" move...

Look at various governments "zero tolerance" attemtps with other issues, tweety bird keychains leading to a suspension at a school, pictures of an army man, suspension, travelers getting on an airplane, nailfiles and fingernail clippers confiscated. On and on, thousands of examples of misinterpreting reality. some poor slob just sells a car, got 4 grand cash on him, gets pulled over for something, cops sees the cash, the poor slob is now an automatic drug dealer.

Government always acts as a drunken eleephant, it really has little finesse or grace, not really, it blunders this way or that, either completely ignores a problem-like security up to 9-11, or over-reacts, uses a howitzer as a flyswatter.

34 posted on 11/13/2001 4:56:25 AM PST by zog
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To: MasonGal
Vernon Grose is on FOX RIGHT now!!!

Who is this guy? What is his background? I know that they say he is a former NTSB investigator, but he sure doesn't sound like he know too much about aircraft or accident investigations. Anyone know about him?

35 posted on 11/13/2001 4:58:21 AM PST by TankerKC
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To: jammer
Gotta run...just wanted to let ya know....'cynicism' is our friend. LOL.
36 posted on 11/13/2001 4:59:38 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: zog
Too many eyewitnesses, IMHO, for your theory to hold water.
37 posted on 11/13/2001 5:00:12 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: vrwc54
My hunch is the same group of right wing extremists behind the anthrax deaths brought down Flight 587. White supremist Neo-Nazi conservatives. Most of the passengers were Dominican. It all fits.
38 posted on 11/13/2001 5:02:41 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: vrwc54
The truth is out there.

...somewhere amongst all the BS.

39 posted on 11/13/2001 5:03:07 AM PST by rogers21774
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To: Nimitz
Thank you!

My take on it is that these two orgs have newly developed PR teams that are staying aprised with the sentiment of the nation. Hell, they may even have lurkers here.

I believe both those sentences strongly. I believe a poster whose initials are K.C. and one whose screen name begins with an "_" are. I don't post their full names because this reply may be removed.

A decision will be made in the next few hours whether to support the lie or go with people.

Good point. Do you think the FBI has focus groups to try out various explanations?

40 posted on 11/13/2001 5:03:25 AM PST by jammer
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