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Just another version of the story. This event is probably economically significant.
1 posted on 11/28/2001 2:14:15 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
I am still amazed at how fast it fell.

If you had asked me a year ago what was morely likely, jets flying into WTC or Enron filing bankruptcy...I would have chosen the WTC.

Enron Corp. was very good to me in the 90's...sad to see her go.

2 posted on 11/28/2001 2:22:25 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RightWhale
Several questions.

What forms of energy does (did) Enron specialize in, ie. Oil, Coal, Uranium, Electricity, Hydrogen etc., or is this huge stock company a merely a storefront for trading.

All of this legal accounting gobbeldygook is interesting, but what does it mean?

Is this going to open a new market to foriegn energy companies in America?

Is this going to open a market for a new energy product, such as Hydrogen?

Could this event, or any event like it lead to stronger International Business Regulations?
I know this is a tough question, but Energy is a resource that is not easily Governed by a small greedy nation state.

3 posted on 11/28/2001 2:41:25 PM PST by ramdalesh
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To: RightWhale
I still don't understand what's going on. Enron was a solid company, and none of these articles explains what the devil happened. How could their accountants have failed to notice fraud or mismanagement on such a huge scale?
4 posted on 11/28/2001 2:44:25 PM PST by Cicero
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To: RightWhale
I think the most important question of all is: What are the current balance sheets of every individual employed at Enron above middle-management? If those guys are walking away from their mismanaged and/or fraudulently-managed company with multi-million-dollar net worths, they need to be individually sued to within an inch of their lives.
6 posted on 11/28/2001 2:57:25 PM PST by Timesink
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the loss of 90 billion in paper value means the us shareholders are minus 90 billion in wealth. I think the stimulus program that is stalled in the us senate is less than that. 90 billion is about 300 dollars for every man woman and child in the US. It is larger than the tax rebates that were received last summer. Yes, it probably is economically significant.
7 posted on 11/28/2001 2:59:57 PM PST by staytrue
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To: RightWhale
The absolutely stupid ads Enron was running on TV for the past year is all anyone would have to know that they were heading for disaster.
8 posted on 11/28/2001 3:38:54 PM PST by Voltage
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I work at Enron and today was an incredible day. Watching such a huge firm implode before my eyes was quite an experience. I had been there only 2.5 years, and did not have too much invested in the company. People who were there 5years probably lost $500,000 in retirement assets if they did not diversify, and I have heard stories of 15-20yr employees who have humped their whole lives lose around $2 million.

What went wrong? From my perspective, Enron's top most management were involved in a four-year scandelous program of misrepresentation, deciet, dishonesty, and criminal behavior while espousing the "Enron Values" of Integrity, Respect, Communication, and Excellence, and pontificating and diaplaying huge arrogance and smugness to everyone in general. Many corporate mind-numbed robots bought the line and firmly still believed in the leadership of the company till about two weeks ago when it really began to unravel. Today, there are still people that feel it will 'turn itself around'.

With 23,000 employees worldwide and $15+ billion in unpaid bills (with less that $2 billion in cash), countless deals with large counterparties/utilities/producers, our economy is going to take a huge it. No doubt about it.

9 posted on 11/28/2001 4:09:10 PM PST by Jalapeno
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My goodness...what are we going to call that ballpark where the Houston Astros play, from now on??
17 posted on 11/28/2001 4:59:16 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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I've been reading scattered stories about the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stock the top executives of Enron have been selling off in the last few weeks. I haven't seen an article that lists all of them together. I'd like to see that.
25 posted on 11/28/2001 5:16:39 PM PST by FreePaul
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We sold about 80% of our Enron stock last year in early November and the rest back in June of this year. It was a great stock and did very well.

Sounds like their could be some criminal investigations as a result of some of the accounting information, etc. being cooked.

27 posted on 11/28/2001 5:23:01 PM PST by Fury
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Funds hit hard - Enron Exposure

Alliance Capital: 42.9 million shares

Janus Capital: 41.4 million shares

Putnam: 23.1 million shares

Barclays Global: 23.1 million shares

Fidelity: 20.8 million shares

Smith Barney: 19.4 million shares

State Street: 16.1 million shares

Aim: 14.0 million shares

Vanguard: 11.4 million shares

Morgan Stanley: 10.1million shares

Not to mention the rumor that JP Morgan and Citigroup hold about 800 Million shares of ENE, each. With 300/400 Million of those unsecured. Ugly for sure. apparently this will cost in the neighborhood of .05 to .10 for their earnings.

32 posted on 11/28/2001 7:37:26 PM PST by Chewbacca
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Before the tin-foilers compeltely over-run this thread let's explore some of Enron's background and take a decidely pessimistic look at the market (the financial, the commodities and the *real* energy business/opoerations of Enron) that Enron attempted to insert itself into ... an analysis from the fool.com:
David Langford (wot_dabny@yahoo.com)

I can't believe we're even discussing a utility. A utility! Just look at their track record. As the 1980s kicked off, utility stocks were 25% of the S&P 500. Now? Less than 7%. Energy stocks? As a percentage of their weight of the S&P, they've been cut in half over the same period.

Why is that? Because there are better sectors, better industries, and better companies to invest in, and lots of them. Technology has gone from 11% of the S&P 500 to 25% since Reagan was elected president the first time around. Financial services and healthcare? Both have gone roughly from 5% to 15%.

Guess what kind of companies are in the Rule Maker Portfolio? Looks pretty much like technology, healthcare, and financial services. Coincidence? See any utilities or energy companies in the Rule Breaker Portfolio? Let's look at the Drip Portfolio, then. Nope, no energy, no utilities, nowhere, no how. Hmmm.

Oh, but Enron's different. It's really a market maker in the business of energy, and branching out into pulp, paper, and metals. Care to take a guess how pulp, paper, and metal have done over the last 20 years? Anyone looked at U. S. Steel (NYSE: X) lately? It's embarrassing. I mean, that company used to be a Dow component, fer cryin' out loud.

But let's ignore Enron's energy business. I mean, sure, Enron is one of the world's largest natural gas and electricity concerns, and it's only 92% or so of its revenue-generating business, but what's that? Sure, Enron is likely to go back to trading like an energy company when people figure this stuff out, losing its lofty valuation and a whole boatload of shareholders' money at that time. But we'll just pretend none of that matters, and that the only thing that matters is Enron's exciting new direction: making markets.

Enron's role as a market maker is to facilitate more liquid trading, and that means a better price for everyone, not to mention offering products that reduce risk. Let's look at that a second. Enron benefits, like all market makers do, when there's lots of trading. This happens when people who would trade do so because they're feeling antsy (California comes to mind). Enron helps people feel less antsy by allowing them to manage their risk better.

So as Enron succeeds, it is needed less. This is not an expanding possibilities scenario, but a growth-until-it-levels-off scenario -- a cyclical industry within the cyclical energy industry.

Besides, what is it exactly about the market-making business that couldn't be Napstered out of existence? Why can't energy companies post their own going rates to a free board, or to no board at all, like Gnutella? When they realize they can, just as they are only now realizing that Enron offers much greater liquidity than they used to have on tap, they will. Liquidity is necessary, but Enron won't always be.

You don't need a broker or a market maker when the market consists mostly of only a few big players, a host of which don't like Enron's driver's-seat position in writing futures contracts. Sure, Enron may be making a larger, more-liquid options and futures market just as fast as it learns how, but once the market is established and everyone knows how to play the game, Enron won't be needed anymore.

Enron's only 20% of the U.S. energy market -- those other big players can force their way in, or band together to create an even more liquid market. As long as Enron's calling the shots and scooping up the market-maker money, the incentive is very much there to do so. Where's Enron's moat?

And forget the other energy guys, what about the financial ones? What could possibly keep experienced players like the Chicago Mercantile Exchange from barging in and taking over? The CME has the incentive to do so -- it's the first exchange to transform into a for-profit company, and is soon to be publicly traded. Making futures and options on futures is the CME's home turf, not some new thing it's reading up on, and the company sports some of the world's largest banks and investment houses as its members.

In 1999 alone $138 trillion moved through the CME. Enron? In the 14 months since the inception of EnronOnline, Enron has moved about $390 billion of business, according to a company spokesman. That makes EnronOnline almost 3% the size of the CME -- big enough that the CME might actually take notice. Woe to EnronOnline if it does.

There's also the teensy-weensy issue of how Enron is paying for its growth. Enron just issued another $1.25 billion in debt. Let's see, that's less than $0.7 billion in cash, and now more than $15 billion in debt. Ick. Well, that's one way to expand your business. Why isn't Enron using cash to expand? Maybe because it can't -- the latest net margin came in just below 1%. Double ick.

Maybe my Bull counterpart will point out what the good news is, because I haven't found much here to love.

A former swashbuckler and a one-time fussbudget for the FBI, David owns no shares of any energy or utility company, including Enron, nor does he ever plan to. You can see all of David's personal portfolio holdings under Favorite Stocks here. The Motley Fool is investors writing for investors.


52 posted on 11/29/2001 5:31:53 AM PST by _Jim
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What happened to the giant evil corporation stealing profits from poor helpless California? Hmmmm?
53 posted on 11/29/2001 5:37:28 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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How soon until Enrons creditors demand relief from the Feds (i.e. Taxpayer)?

They love the rewards but don't think they should ever bear any risk.

57 posted on 11/29/2001 5:46:51 AM PST by GuillermoX
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Ron Insana (CNBC) said (on Imus this morning) that EnronOnline is said to have as much as $1 Trillion dollars of derivatives that need to be unwound. A BIG problem!
58 posted on 11/29/2001 6:33:29 AM PST by flamefront
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Enron nears final collapse
60 posted on 11/29/2001 11:01:02 AM PST by Southack
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