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David Schippers and Judicial Watch are representing an active FBI agent in a suit against the FBI and DOJ over blocking investigations that would have averted the 9/11 attacks.

And Frederick Whitehurst's attorney Stephen Kohn is representing FBI agent Joseph Rogoskey in a lawsuit against the FBI and DOJ for FBI criminal behavior in national security operations.

Ashcroft blocked FBI agent Dan Vogel from testifying about the FBI and DOJ coverup of the ME connections to the OKC bombing.

Ashcroft also covered up direct evidence of three domestic John Does identified with McVeigh in OKC who are being protected by the FBI. The evidence was given to Ashcroft in person six months ago by General Benton Partin and it included color photos and eyewitness statements and testimony of FBI threatening of four witnesses in the OKC case. These John Does appear to also have been government informants.

Ashcroft also has blocked release of 22 surveillance tapes in the OKC bombing which show the actual explosion and McVeigh in the accompaniment of ME John Does as well as Federal informants at the bombing scene.

AShcroft and the FB are still protecting the Hamas cell and members in OKC who planned the 1993 and 9/11/01 attacks on the WTC and also helped ME men and the Iraqis do the OKC bombing with McVeigh.

Ashcroft also instituted a new Federal rule allowing secret monitoring of conversations of clients with their attorneys including clients who are US citizens.

Ashcroft and FBI Director Muller sneaked through unconstitutional provisons in the "Patriot Act" stripping US citizens of many fundamental rights and civil liberties without any proper safeguards or reviews. These provisions also permit the CIA to monitor US citzens in the US and to gain access to secret Federal grand jury testimony.

Now AShcroft wants to permit the FBI to spy on US citizens belonging to religious and political organizations without proper safeguards and oversight. What if a conservative Christian Republican publicly dissents and embarrasses AShcroft, Mueller, Bush or someone else in government by legal and peaceful means without any threats of violence-will the FBI be sicked on them to destroy their reputation?

An example would be Christains complaining that the FBI and CIA and DOJ are actively promoting abortion and homosexuality that Christians find immoral. Would the FBI and DOJ spy on Christians because Christians say the FBI and DOJ conduct in these areas is evil and immoral? Most Christians who complain about abortion would not do anything to an abortion clinic but the FBI and DOJ would still spy on them anyway.

And now we know that the FBI terror task forces with Ashcroft and Mueller knowledge and blessing are targeting "Patriots" who defend the US constituion (in words only with no illegal acts) against world government and Federal officials who DO NOT uphold the Constitution.

Will the FBI now target Hal Lindsey and Joseph Farah and their organizations for their complaints and articles about Bush ties to the Third Way and Communitarianism (world government)???

1 posted on 12/01/2001 8:12:17 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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Also about three weeks ago the London Times carried a story about Bush blocking FBI agents from investigating Bin Laden's family and assets in the US. The London story included sensitive documents leaked to them by active FBI agents who were upset with the FBI and DOJ handling of the investigations which could have averted the 9/11 attacks-this account is according to David Schippers who discuused this on the Alex Jones show in Austin about two weeks ago.

Police chiefs and officers around the country including in OKC have expressed outrage at Ashcroft and Muellers' excluding them from info they need to do terror investigations locally. This was especially true in OKC where the FBI still protects Hamas.

Bush and Powell are still blocking movement against Hamas and Hezbollah and AlQaeda and Abu Nidal cells and members ALREADY in the US to appease the PLO in an attempt to get a phony peace agreement in the ME.

2 posted on 12/01/2001 8:20:05 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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'People are furious right now,' said one agent.

These people are Clinton hold-overs. They should either do their job or resign. As for the comments about the bombing in Oklahoma and the subsequent investigation..who was President then...??

3 posted on 12/01/2001 8:21:22 PM PST by JD86
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Why should Islam and the Church of Scientology have special protection from the FBI?
5 posted on 12/01/2001 8:23:58 PM PST by xm177e2
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"Will the FBI now target Hal Lindsey and Joseph Farah...?"

Who's to say the FBI might not take a peek into Travolta's Scientologists, the Brotherhood of Satan, and Moonies?

Islam?? Naaah, nothin' there at all.....

7 posted on 12/01/2001 8:25:12 PM PST by F16Fighter
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Is this story based on this un-named source article the Liberal Rag NYT's posted yesterday?
8 posted on 12/01/2001 8:25:37 PM PST by MJY1288
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Oh brother!

Get OUT the tin foil the THIRD WAY is en route ...

10 posted on 12/01/2001 8:26:17 PM PST by _Jim
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What is more important than who gets investigated is how and why they are investigated and how evidence is used in court.
12 posted on 12/01/2001 8:29:24 PM PST by Free the USA
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I watched C-Span this morning for over an hour. The telephone call topic was: Should the FBI be given more powers to fight terroism.

I was dumbstruck by the callers' comments: Whatever it takes to make us safer, etc.

I'd say 90% of the callers didn't see a problem with the feds spying on churches.

I felt doomed.

13 posted on 12/01/2001 8:30:49 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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bump
16 posted on 12/01/2001 8:31:56 PM PST by VOA
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There's is a lot of socialist in London who'd love to see Bush fumble. I'll take a little of that foil, please.
18 posted on 12/01/2001 8:33:39 PM PST by concerned about politics
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Please Sir, in times of national emergency, please do not post this stupud leftist newspaper, no direct quotes, etc. bullsh*t and even more stupid rumors about OKC.

If the FBI was so intent on getting you, or us, they would have done it years ago.

And for this BS of every anti-government whacko calling himnself a "Patriot," most are turning out to be nothing but angry, nutty old men.

27 posted on 12/01/2001 8:41:01 PM PST by MindBender26
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I believe the plan is to infiltrate the Mosques - to blend in - in other words to do what the terrorists did. People will go in undercover and play the part of a regular mosque attender. He will interact with people in the mosque and get to know them. If there are more terrorists in these places, it will eventually become evident.

You can believe what you want, but I am confident our new President would never allow the Farah's or Falwell's to be spyed upon. After all - they haven't killed 5,000 people!

38 posted on 12/01/2001 8:48:13 PM PST by Sueann
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Ignore the gov'mit disrupters and/or stupid...the fact is Bush has the potential to be the biggest NWO shill in history...but hey...he has a R next too his name.
49 posted on 12/01/2001 9:00:18 PM PST by alphadog
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I suspect that dissenters will be on the streets looking for new jobs.
57 posted on 12/01/2001 9:18:12 PM PST by Don Myers
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Ashcroft also has blocked release of 22 surveillance tapes in the OKC bombing which show the actual explosion and McVeigh in the accompaniment of ME John Does as well as Federal informants at the bombing scene.

I wonder how it's known what is in these tapes if they are blocked. Can you give me a source for this claim?

69 posted on 12/01/2001 9:54:07 PM PST by mlo
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BUMP and please see replies #1 and #2 and #32.
77 posted on 12/01/2001 11:03:52 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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Operation Magic Lantern (FBI Now Targets Christian Defenders of Constitution )

"I believe privacy is a fundamental right, and that every American should have absolute control over his or her personal information. Now, with the advent of the Internet, personal privacy is increasingly at risk. I am committed to protecting personal privacy for every American."
George W. Bush - Source: Associated Press Oct 6, 2000.

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense, which is paramount to all positive forms of government."
Alexander Hamilton - Federalist No. 28.

88 posted on 12/02/2001 12:48:18 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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There is a leak in your boat!
98 posted on 12/02/2001 2:18:00 AM PST by verity
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Thought experiment: How will attitudes about this business be affected by a few more bombings with mass fatalities? Would "setting us up the big one" adjust attitudes? What if they could take out a whole city in one whack? How about setting us up a smallpox bomb? It is such thought experiments that would scare the crap out of me if I were in charge. Sad fact of life: Drastic threats call for drastic actions. Life sucks and then you die.
117 posted on 12/02/2001 6:20:23 AM PST by Ben Chad
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122 posted on 12/02/2001 6:28:50 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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