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Bush law chief tried to drop habeas corpus
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 12/03/2001 | ROLAND WATSON

Posted on 12/02/2001 5:26:59 PM PST by Pokey78

THE Bush Administration sought the power to suspend all suspects’ rights in the most extreme example of its squeeze on civil liberties since September 11.

According to a draft of the anti-terrorism Bill which was published yesterday, John Ashcroft, the Attorney-General, initially wanted to do away with the fundamental legal tenet of habeas corpus for terrorist suspects.

Such a move would have allowed the authorities to hold suspects in secret and indefinitely without charging them or producing them before a judge.

A secret first draft of Mr Ashcroft’s Bill included a section titled “Suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus”. Its inclusion has astounded some members of Congress. James Sensenbrenner, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, told Newsweek magazine: “That stuck out like a sore thumb. It was the first thing I crossed out.”

Habeas corpus establishes the requirement on authorities to produce a suspect before a judge at regular intervals so that the court, and therefore the public, is satisfied that the detention is lawful.

The suspension of the writ did not make it into the final draft of Mr Ashcroft’s Bill but it was seized on as another example of how far the Administration is prepared to go.

Mr Ashcroft faces a grilling on Capitol Hill this week for other measures in his postSeptember 11 crackdown, in which thousands of young Muslim men have faced questioning and detention.

It was also revealed over the weekend that he wanted to renounce the restrictions on the FBI from carrying out covert surveillance of religious and political organisations. The proposal would override protections put in place in the 1970s after the death of J. Edgar Hoover, the notoriously hardline FBI Director, after the agency admitted that it had spent much of the 1960s and early 1970s spying on Martin Luther King, the Black Panthers, the Ku Klux Klan and other groups that it considered dangerous.

Latest polls show that the average American is broadly supportive of the restrictions on civil liberties: 86 per cent believe that the Government has not overstepped the mark.


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1 posted on 12/02/2001 5:26:59 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
It was also revealed over the weekend that he wanted to renounce the restrictions on the FBI from carrying out covert surveillance of religious and political organisations.
Abraham Lincoln didn't go this far.
2 posted on 12/02/2001 5:45:46 PM PST by Marianne
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To: Pokey78
See nothing wrong with this......War is hell !!! We ARE talking about suspected terrorists.
3 posted on 12/02/2001 5:46:52 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Pokey78
Source says it all. I thought Ascroft was the devil. But everytime I look he is just an attorney general doing a heck of a job.

Not like ther last Barf Alert AG.

These left wing wackos are just that, left wing wackos. They think just because they write it down it is fact. Sorry.

snooker

4 posted on 12/02/2001 5:50:37 PM PST by tarpon_bill
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To: Headlong
YOU could be a suspected terrorist. If you were, I'll bet you'd like a chance to see a judge.

Utterly inane.
6 posted on 12/02/2001 6:21:08 PM PST by MamaLucci
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To: Marianne
It was also revealed over the weekend that he wanted to renounce the restrictions on the FBI from carrying out covert surveillance of religious and political organisations.

"Abraham Lincoln didn't go this far."

No. But Harry Truman did. See "Communist Party, USA".

And if your terrorist enemy is hiding behind the mosque's front door and using nominally religious charities to raise funds, why should they be safe from surveillance?

A terrorist in a cassock is no less a terrorist than one in mufti.

7 posted on 12/02/2001 6:29:16 PM PST by okie01
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To: Pokey78
It was also revealed over the weekend that he wanted to renounce the restrictions on the FBI from carrying out covert surveillance of religious and political organisations.

We already know how to stop the terrorist threat cold (i.e. respect the 2nd Amendment), but some socialist-conservative Republicans never tire of using every opportunity they can to eat away at our liberties. But you can't say I didn't warn you about John "I'll vigorously enforce all gun laws" Ashcroft.

8 posted on 12/02/2001 6:31:28 PM PST by ravinson
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To: Pokey78
A secret first draft of Mr Ashcroft’s Bill included a section titled “Suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus”
Cross it out and put a new name on it, still the same thing.
9 posted on 12/02/2001 6:54:03 PM PST by lelio
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To: Pokey78; All
Alright, which one of you silly sons of bitches thought that Bush and his little band of advisors were pro American....as in the united states of America?

Republicrats, Democans, NO DIFFERENCE.

10 posted on 12/02/2001 7:10:23 PM PST by S.O.S121.500
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To: Irish Eyes
War is hell !!! We ARE talking about suspected terrorists????

Could you tell me please, although it's not too important to most people from the polling numbers, exactly when did Congress issue a declaration of war? What happens when the EMPIRE(and that's what it is, don't fool yourself, we haven't been a Federal Republic for years) decides you're a terrorist? Or me? Personally I like habeas corpus. It's a nice kind of defining principle of law

11 posted on 12/02/2001 7:18:31 PM PST by billbears
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To: Pokey78; Black Jade; ratcat; Mercuria; AnnaZ; FormerLurker; expose; Lurker...
bump
12 posted on 12/04/2001 11:35:25 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
Biometric IDs urged for Maryland licenses {THE POLICE STATE SYSTEM FOR TOTAL CONTROL}
13 posted on 12/04/2001 11:42:33 AM PST by expose
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To: Pokey78
If Habeas Corpus is suspended, then...I'm not even going to say it.
15 posted on 12/04/2001 8:50:45 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Irish Eyes
I heard you are a terrorist. Forget Habeas Corpus, you are going to prison.
16 posted on 12/04/2001 8:52:24 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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I have to say that I love the way some at FR jump on a article from liberal left wing press operation that trashes everything we have done to round up these slugs. I for one don't care if they stand them up against a wall and shoot them without blindfolds after conviction by Judge Judy.
17 posted on 12/04/2001 9:03:05 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Marianne
Abraham Lincoln wasn't dealing with a murderous invasion by deranged religious lunatics.
18 posted on 12/04/2001 9:21:26 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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19 posted on 12/04/2001 9:24:39 PM PST by 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember
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To: S.O.S121.500
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20 posted on 12/04/2001 9:25:42 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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