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Waltham home-school kids put in DSS custody
Boston Heraqld | Saturday, December 15, 2001 | Ed Hayward

Posted on 12/15/2001 8:11:09 AM PST by Lance Romance

Waltham home-school kids put in DSS custody
by Ed Hayward

Saturday, December 15, 2001

A long-standing feud between a Waltham couple intent on home schooling their children and the city has resulted in a judge's decision to put the two kids in the custody of the Department of Social Services.

While Framingham Juvenile Court Judge Kathryn White said DSS will serve as the guardians of the children until they are 16, there was no order to turn the Bryant children - Nyssa, 12, and George, 13 - over to DSS. The two remain at home.

``My opinion is this is all about who has custody of the children,'' Kim Bryant said yesterday. ``It has nothing to do with whether the children are educated or what the children learn.''

Kim and George Bryant have argued it is their right to home school the children without filing reports or testing results with the city school department because, in their opinion, there's no such requirement in the U.S. Constitution.

The parents, who have handled their own legal work, plan to appeal the latest ruling. A call to Waltham Mayor David Gately, who chairs the School Committee, was not returned.

The battle with Waltham schools has been going on for five years. Once before, a judge granted custody of the children to DSS and ordered the parents to file reports required by the state school attendance laws.

The Bryants complied but failed to file the lesson plans with the city in September. That set off a chain of complaints against the couple by the city.

DSS has found no need to intervene and Middlesex County prosecutors turned down the case.

But on Dec. 7 Judge White found in favor of the city's claim that the children were in need of ``care and protection'' even though she found no evidence the children had been abused or neglected.

DSS spokesman Michael MacCormack said the agency is watching the case and waiting to see if the Bryants comply with the city's request for an education plan.

``It's the school department and the court they have to satisfy,'' MacCormack said. ``We were brought in just to make sure that gets done.''

Kim Bryant said her husband filed the plan yesterday and the two are waiting for a response from the city's attorneys. In the meantime, the couple continue to educate the two children at home.

``We think it's the best education that they can get,'' said Kim Bryant. ``We want to strengthen the family bond.''

Kim Bryant said she fears violence in the public schools and also disagrees with the current testing craze.

``I'm not impressed with testing,'' she said. ``I don't think testing gives you a good picture of a child, really. I think it's very stressful on children to take tests. I don't find them necessary because I'm working with the children every day. I have a good handle on what they know.''


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But on Dec. 7 Judge White found in favor of the city's claim that the children were in need of ``care and protection'' even though she found no evidence the children had been abused or neglected.

This is ridiculous. Those children hadn't even read "Heather has two mommies". How could they expect to assimilate into society?

1 posted on 12/15/2001 8:11:09 AM PST by Lance Romance
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To: Lance Romance
It takes a village you know, and apparently the village is pissed.
2 posted on 12/15/2001 8:22:13 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Lance Romance
That set off a chain of complaints against the couple by the city.

You'd think the city would have more pressing matters to worry about than whether homeschooled kids are tested.

3 posted on 12/15/2001 8:26:44 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Lance Romance
If these parenets were good little soldiers instead of individualistic troublemakers, there'd be little or no problem. But no, they do want to fill out the stinkeeng forms, so too bad for them...LOSE CUSTODY OF YOUR CHILDEN. The state knows what's best. Comply or else. No room for glitches in the paperwork.
4 posted on 12/15/2001 8:29:33 AM PST by Osinski
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To: Lance Romance
I understand how the parents feel, but if it were me I would fill out the silly reports rather than risk losing my kids. When you cross the Nanny State, you can get into unlimited trouble. Thank God the kids still are with their parents.
5 posted on 12/15/2001 8:29:41 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Lizavetta
Bump, tell these old farts that kids at one time were always homeschooled and get over the harassment!

A homeschool Mom of ten years

6 posted on 12/15/2001 8:34:28 AM PST by JustPiper
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To: Cicero
Every FReeper needs a list of companies which produce goods and services in Massachusetts; all the better to boycott activities centered in that horrid state.
7 posted on 12/15/2001 8:35:40 AM PST by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: Lance Romance
WELCOME TO LEFTACHUSETTS
8 posted on 12/15/2001 8:38:03 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: Cicero
I understand how the parents feel, but if it were me I would fill out the silly reports rather than risk losing my kids. When you cross the Nanny State, you can get into unlimited trouble.

Attitudes like yours (not trying to poke at you unnecessarily, just trying to get you to think about this issue) are the reason why government power continues to grow. "If we just appease them by filling out these forms," you think, "they'll just go away and leave us alone."

In reality, it is the fact that people unquestioningly go along with the absurd demands of government that government continually ups its demands of citizens. Appeasment does not work with liberal statists. They figure that if you'll put up with the little intrusions, you'll put up with big ones, too. They just incrementally add more restrictions and requirements to your life, and by the time you realize just how much autonomy and freedom you have lost, the govt has so much power that it is now very hard to rein in.

We have to start fighting over the seemingly benign "little stuff" or soon we'll be fighting over the not-so-benign "big stuff."

9 posted on 12/15/2001 8:38:11 AM PST by Henrietta
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To: Lance Romance
Well, with a Republican president and a Republican Congress federal education fascists are getting a huge increase in funds. What does anyone want to bet a nice chunk of it will go toward fighting people like this who actually want to give their children a decent education? The Repubs are as pro-big daddy government as the Dems. And this story demonstrates the result of that mentality.
10 posted on 12/15/2001 8:41:17 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
Bump on that!

This is an outrage...how dare they put the burden of proof on these homeschooling parents! What is the basis in law for that?

11 posted on 12/15/2001 8:42:42 AM PST by Verax
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To: Lance Romance
Kim and George Bryant have argued it is their right to home school the children without filing reports or testing results with the city school department because, in their opinion, there's no such requirement in the U.S. Constitution.

IT'S NOT JUST "THEIR OPINION"!! IT IS A FACT!!

12 posted on 12/15/2001 8:46:36 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Cicero
When you cross the Nanny State, you can get into unlimited trouble.

You do realize that that's a two-way street right?

Reasonable people may deal with the Nanny State in numerous ways.

What is "reasonable" varies depending on the person's situation in life. A father with a wife and children to support is liable to have one response; while an aging grandfather who has just been given 6 months to live by his doctor is liable to have a totally different response.

Today's "fathers" are tomorrow's "grandfathers". And once crossed by the Nanny State, those grandfathers are going to be well past the point of "making a list and checking it twice".

13 posted on 12/15/2001 8:52:35 AM PST by Mulder
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To: Mulder

;^)

(You DO have to close one eye to aim...............)

14 posted on 12/15/2001 9:01:25 AM PST by Elsie
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
Every FReeper needs a list of companies which produce goods and services in Massachusetts; all the better to boycott activities centered in that horrid state.

Every freeper needs email addresses for the Waltham city council members and mayor David Gately. However, I can't provide them because the Waltham city web page does not show them. I guess when you're an elected leader with a fascist bent you find it best to not make your email address public knowledge.

However, as a standin for the mayor et al here's Waltham school superintendent Dr. (oooooh, "Doctor", I'm impressed) Susan I. Parella's email address.

At the school site you can also read about the district's Systemic (ooooh, systemic!) Goals and Initiatives. Of course they're not just ordinary goals and initiatives because as you all know you can't be a well doctored educator without using fancy words needlessly. In this case I believe the word systemic is used to mean "these goals won't do crap as far as improving your kid's education but still isn't that a cool title and wasn't developing a report full of blather a cool way to funnel tax dollars to some teachers over the summer".

15 posted on 12/15/2001 9:05:59 AM PST by hauerf
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To: homeschool mama
Thought you would want to read this. :)
16 posted on 12/15/2001 9:06:33 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
my sentiments exactly, Massachusetts is a terrible place, the people there are very bigoted. We should say these things as often as possible because it's true. I lived in Alabama, I never saw any bigotry there like what I read about regularly concerning Massachusetts, apparently the worst state in the nation.
17 posted on 12/15/2001 9:15:20 AM PST by Red Jones
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To: hauerf
Nice work!!!

Lets fire away some emails Freepers...!


18 posted on 12/15/2001 9:17:39 AM PST by Verax
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To: Lance Romance
I wouldn't mind being put in DSS custody on Sunday afternoons.


19 posted on 12/15/2001 9:18:39 AM PST by July 4th
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To: July 4th
she found no evidence the children had been abused or neglected.

So, isn't this kidnapping? Unbelievable...
20 posted on 12/15/2001 9:19:30 AM PST by July 4th
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