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Putin Warns US Over War On Terror & Against Military Action Against Iraq
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Posted on 12/16/2001 7:39:54 PM PST by Asmodeus

December 16 2001
Putin Warns US Over War On Terror
By Andrew Gowers, Robert Cottrell and Andrew Jack in Moscow and Richard McGregor in Tora Bora

Russia expects the US to consult it before taking the "war against terrorism" anywhere beyond Afghanistan, President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with the Financial Times.

The US-led war against the Taliban and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network in Afghanistan appeared to be drawing to a close on Sunday. Some White House officials are pressing to shift the fight against terrorism to other rogue states.

But the Russian president warned specifically against military action in Iraq. The next priority for the anti-terrorist coalition should be to "block the financing of terrorist activities", he said. "And so far I have no confirmation, no evidence that Iraq is financing the terrorists that we are fighting against."

Mujahideen commanders declared victory in the battle against al-Qaeda forces in Afghanistan on Sunday, as Donald Rumsfeld, US defence secretary, made a surprise visit to the US Bagram Airbase in the country.

But after coming down from the Tora Bora mountains at the end of the battle to drive al-Qaeda from its final stronghold, the Mujahideen said they had not found Mr bin Laden.

"He is not here," said Haji Zaman, one of the commanders of the three Mujahideen forces fighting with the US. "Osama is not in my pocket. I cannot show him to you."

Mr Zaman said he had seen the cave where Mr bin Laden was thought to be hiding, and that his body was not among the many left there after Sunday's fighting.

But he and other commanders will continue to search the mountain "metre by metre" on Monday to hunt for the scores of al-Qaeda members who had fled the battlefield.

Mr Rumsfeld, the first top US official to visit Afghanistan since the war began, met Hamid Karzai, who will head the interim government that takes power in Kabul on Saturday.

Mr Putin, interviewed at the end of last week, criticised past bombing of Iraq by US and UK warplanes.

The main concern of the international community, he said, was to prevent Iraq developing weapons of mass destruction. Bombing did not seem to advance this aim.

Russia wanted Iraq to re-admit UN weapons inspectors in exchange for a full lifting of sanctions, Mr Putin said. But he admitted this idea had "not met with understanding on the part of Iraq's leadership".

US officials said on Sunday that it may still be difficult to get precise information on Mr bin Laden's fate.

Tommy Franks, the general in charge of US forces, told ABC News the US had picked up radio transmissions from Tora Bora last week that appear to be from Mr bin Laden.

But with US air strikes methodically destroying the bunkers and cave complexes that shelter the remaining al-Qaeda forces, he said it may be impossible to determine who had been killed.

About 200 al-Qaeda members were killed in fighting and 25 taken prisoner on Sunday. A dozen Mujahideen have also died in the past two days.

US B52 and F18 aircraft conducted another intense round of bombing on Saturday night and Sunday morning, over a wider area than usual as Al-Qaeda members tried to flee.

Additional reporting by Edward Alden in Washington and Reuters at Bagram Airbase


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1 posted on 12/16/2001 7:39:55 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
So much for FRIENDSHIP!
2 posted on 12/16/2001 7:46:04 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: RoseofTexas
Financial Times. I really take this report with a grain of salt!
3 posted on 12/16/2001 7:52:26 PM PST by Defender2
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To: Asmodeus
don't worry mr.putin, powell is with you.
4 posted on 12/16/2001 7:53:08 PM PST by KQQL
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To: RoseofTexas
I wonder how our "friend" Putin would feel if the al-Qeada had taken one into the heart of mother Russia.
5 posted on 12/16/2001 7:54:59 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: KQQL
mr putin should shut his damned mouth. he has forgotten he is the leader of a bankrupt, split, defunct nation with so much less relevande on the world stage than in the past. youre with us, or your against us, mr putin. our business is no business of yours, to hell with our detractors. TO HELL WITH ALL OF THEM!!
6 posted on 12/16/2001 7:56:20 PM PST by nocommies
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To: Asmodeus
While I think we should finish the job in Iraq, I also realize how the rest of the world sees it. They do not see PROOF or even EVIDENCE that Iraq has actually attacked the US in such a way as to warrant punishment from US military forces. If we have such proof of Iraqi participation in any attack on the US, we must present it directly so we do not look like an aggressor nation.
7 posted on 12/16/2001 7:59:26 PM PST by NetValue
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To: nocommies
I do not see any evidence that this is as sinister as the Financial Times has portrayed it. The next step SHOULD be finanacial interdiction, which is what we are doing. The reporter is reading into this what he wishes.

Besides, I do not believe that Iraq was ever intended to be next, despite Bill Kristol's harrangues. We will go into Indonesia and The Phillippines (at the invitation of their governments) and also Somalia. We are tightening the noose, as the President has said.

9 posted on 12/16/2001 8:06:14 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Asmodeus
I think Putin just wants a piece of the action. Let's not forget that Iraq is a commercial rival of Russia now.
10 posted on 12/16/2001 8:07:06 PM PST by Salman
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To: NetValue
screw the rest of the world, we dont owe anybody a damned thing after all of this. there is evidence linking iraq to the wtc bombing in 1993, and every attack on us since then. clinton just set the tone for passivity, and the world has been spoiled by it. its time to fight, and fight like hell, with EVERYTHING weve got. bin laden wants WWIII, and he sure as smokin has more support than just his little boy al qaedas. he's just an arm and a distraction, helped by and working for iraq, syria, lebanon, the plo, pakistan, and the rest of the haters of the west. he isnt some bored jerk just hanging out in caves deciding on his own he's going to sail a couple jumbo birds into a couple buildings. he and those who support and harbor him are the scum of the earth. wouldnt surprise me if he was in iraq, iran, or pakistan. anyone who questions our actions is, by default, siding with osama, the anti christ himself.
11 posted on 12/16/2001 8:07:35 PM PST by nocommies
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To: Defender2
Financial Times. I really take this report with a grain of salt!

Yep. It is short but very disjointed and it seems every writer around contributed to it.

Bush told Putin we were going to abandon the 1972 AMB treaty and Putin said no. Bush abandoned it. He will do the same with Iraq. If he decides to take Saddam out, Saddam had better get busy makes reservations elsewhere because he will be gone, Putin or no. This administration is not run by polls, committees or coalitions.

12 posted on 12/16/2001 8:08:10 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Miss Marple
it says putin "warned specifically against military action in iraq." that's butting in to our business if you ask me.
13 posted on 12/16/2001 8:09:49 PM PST by nocommies
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
it sure IS refreshing that the white house is no longer occupied by spineless worms and jellyfish.
14 posted on 12/16/2001 8:11:28 PM PST by nocommies
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To: Asmodeus
Well,sc#@^^w his sorry butt,too! Roll on!!
15 posted on 12/16/2001 8:12:06 PM PST by angry beaver norbert
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To: Asmodeus
What "warning"? I saw no "warning" here. In fact, Putin himself criticizes Iraq for its non-compliance with demands with respect to weapons inspection,"Russia wanted Iraq to re-admit UN weapons inspectors in exchange for a full lifting of sanctions, Mr Putin said. But he admitted this idea had "not met with understanding on the part of Iraq's leadership"."
16 posted on 12/16/2001 8:12:36 PM PST by Lent
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To: Asmodeus
OK HOW MANY OF US KNEW THIS WAS COMMING? all of us you would have to be blind or stupid not to!
17 posted on 12/16/2001 8:13:42 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: RoseofTexas
Consultation script: hey, Russia, it is in our mutual interest to kick ____ 's butt. and actually, it usually is.
18 posted on 12/16/2001 8:15:02 PM PST by mathurine
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To: Asmodeus
if iraq was not building weapons of mass destruction, then why ban the UN inspectors? they have already broken the agreement with the UN to have inspections there, seems to me that's reason enough for taking a closer look at them. putin needs to butt out, his country wasn't the one attacked & russia couldn't win the war in afghanistan when they were there. obviously, the U.S. knows what it's doing!!
19 posted on 12/16/2001 8:15:26 PM PST by blondee123
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To: nocommies
Unfortunately, Putin thinks Iraq is his business, and a side note, what about China? I see this creating a major dilemma for us.
20 posted on 12/16/2001 8:17:12 PM PST by horsewhispersc
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To: Asmodeus
Russia expects the US to consult it before taking the "war against terrorism" anywhere beyond Afghanistan, President Vladimir Putin said

Yeah, yeah, sure, sure... we'll 'consult' with the UN, too.

As long as ya'll are aware that it doesn't much matter what you say... we WILL move forward to do what we have to do. If you want to feel important while the adults make the world a better and safer place, that's fine.

Just know that if you actually try to stand in the way, we WON'T be happy... and until that time when we've altered the political landscape enough that Americans feel safe again, our bad side is a REALLY ill-advised place to be standing.

21 posted on 12/16/2001 8:21:40 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Asmodeus
Classic case of good cop - bad cop in my opinion. Gorbachev and Shevernadse played the same role with Bush Sr. in '91. They put up a front of opposition but after meeting with James Baker, it was obvious they supported our action.

As we move through the world assailing the various terrorists, we are going to allow our allies to protest where it is in their best interest to do so. That does not mean they will oppose us or that they do not support us. This is likely to happen with Russia, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Malaysia, etc. It is in our best interest that the rulers of those countries say whatever needs to be said to quell opposition from within.

22 posted on 12/16/2001 8:24:55 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: Asmodeus
I know that everyone thinks that Iraq is going to be next, but I don't think so. I think we should systematically dismantle the terrorist networks first and leave Iraq until last. Saddam has been using the networks to perform his work, we need to take his tools away first. By the time we get around to him, I think the Iraqui opposition will be strong enough to do the majority of the work themselves and that will work to our advantage.

This thing should be worked in concentric circles, starting on the outside and slowly tightening toward the center.

23 posted on 12/16/2001 8:25:42 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Asmodeus
Let the virgin seeking suicide bombers loose on downtown Moscow and see what Putin has to say then... Mr Putin is a chicken sh*t.
24 posted on 12/16/2001 8:26:02 PM PST by nagdt
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To: Asmodeus
How very arrogant of Putin to use such strong language, making it sound almost like he's running the show. Considering how diplo-speak is normally phrased, this is a quite abrasive set of statements.

MM

25 posted on 12/16/2001 8:29:58 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: nocommies
" there is evidence linking iraq to the wtc bombing in 1993, and every attack on us since then."

I am fairly well read on the subject. All the evidence I have seen is very circumstantial. Before we start bombing Iraqi cities and killing Iraqi soldiers, I want to see more substance proving that the American case justifying the use of US military force is very strong.

I had operatives in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in 1991-2 and I wanted us to go into Baghdad at that time when we had reason to do so. For what seemed like good reasons then, the US did not take out Saddam or his "government". To go in now with no proof on the table that he has attacked us, makes us look too much like Russia when they moved on Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland.

We must be able to say our cause is just, our proof is strong, and God is on our side.

26 posted on 12/16/2001 8:36:20 PM PST by NetValue
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To: Askel5
Predictable? Maybe.
27 posted on 12/16/2001 8:40:05 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: Asmodeus
What about Iraq interests Russia so?
28 posted on 12/16/2001 8:58:16 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Miss Marple
Notice the quotes? Nowhere is it quoted that Putin is warning anyone. A very misleading title, to say the least
29 posted on 12/16/2001 9:07:41 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: Asmodeus
In this day and age of continual media bias and outright fabrication of facts
the only sources I get info from is the Pentagon and White House briefings.
I've yet to see ANY major network get the facts straight.
And the print media is just as bad.
30 posted on 12/16/2001 9:11:10 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Asmodeus
Yeah right, let's ask Putin's permission to protect ourselves! I don't think so! I believe it was the U.S. and not Russia that was attacked, but maybe I'm wrong. I'll ask Putin.
31 posted on 12/16/2001 9:14:13 PM PST by BillofRights
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To: nunya bidness
What's predictable, comrade, are the posts on this thread.
32 posted on 12/16/2001 9:21:48 PM PST by Askel5
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To: oldtimer
They have. Remember those apartment blocks that the Chechens were blowing up a couple years ago?
33 posted on 12/16/2001 9:24:09 PM PST by aspide
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To: nocommies
If you're trying to run an international alliance, it's not 'butting in to our business' if one of our allies gives some advice. Grow up.
34 posted on 12/16/2001 9:25:49 PM PST by aspide
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To: Askel5
You're alive! I was getting worried about you. Never venture in to the Quarter without an escort.

That didn't come out right...

35 posted on 12/16/2001 9:29:29 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: NetValue
Sir I do not see how it is any other nations business how we meaning TUSOA conduct a war we do not have to ask anyone's permission do wage war on any nation...do you agree??
36 posted on 12/16/2001 9:31:28 PM PST by silverkor
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To: Asmodeus
If Russia discovered Chechen terrorists hiding out in Arizona, could it not commence a bombing campaign with permission from the Mexican government, claiming that Arizona was historically never American but rather Mexican territory?
37 posted on 12/16/2001 10:02:50 PM PST by lafayette76
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To: Asmodeus;GROUCHOTWO; Lock & Load; Elihu Burritt; CommiesOut; madrussian; Askel5; GROUCHOTWO...
Putin bump
38 posted on 12/16/2001 10:06:49 PM PST by malarski
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To: Askel5
Some White House officials are pressing to shift the fight against terrorism to other rogue states.

I'll bet the names of some of White House officials are also predictable.

39 posted on 12/16/2001 10:12:15 PM PST by malarski
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To: malarski
Given his recent trip to Moscow, perhaps Powell's on the inside track ...

GLOBAL Offensive Against Terrorism to Enter its Second Phase

40 posted on 12/16/2001 10:45:39 PM PST by Askel5
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To: NetValue
Don't confuse "proof" with "resolve." As an example:


RELIGION AND RADICAL EMPIRICISM
Nancy Frankenberry


"Frankenberry offers for the first time a tough, sophisticated, and comprehensive discussion of the relation of radical empiricism to the history of philosophy." 
-- William Dean

Rarely in modern times has religion been associated with empiricism except to its own peril. This book represents a comprehensive and systematic effort to retrieve and develop the tradition of American religious empiricism for religious inquiry.

Religion and Radical Empiricism offers a challenging account of how and why reflection on religious truth-claims must seek justification of those claims finally in terms of empirical criteria. Ranging through many of the major questions in philosophy of religion, the author weaves together a study of the varieties of empiricism in all its historical forms from Hume to Quine. She finds in James and Dewey; in Wieman, Meland, and Loomer of the Chicago School; in Whitehead; and in Abhidharma Buddhism constructive elements of a radically empirical approach to the controversial topic of religious experience. This work provides a strong counter-argument to critics of "revisionary theism," to caricatures of philosophy as "conversation," and to any collapse of the category of experience into its linguistic forms.

We are a very litigacious society, with instant replay, due process, and a secular view of reason. Andy Rooney (who usually irritates me did a segment on this concept. 12-17-01.

http://www.radicalacademy.com/phildavidhume1.htm

http://www.drury.edu/ess/History/Modern/hume1.html

Essentially you believe on faith alone, and politically unles you are a slave to polls, act on resolve and conviction. (You don't need no stinkin proof.)

As the two above links show, it is Machiavellian to expect a concensus on "proof" which in our western society with its emphasis on attorneys a substitute for other parts of the worlds religion.

As far as "proof" and "religion" go... (You don't need no stinkin proof.)

41 posted on 12/16/2001 11:22:19 PM PST by taxbreak
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To: JDGreen123
"As we move through the world assailing the various terrorists, we are going to allow our allies to protest where it is in their best interest to do so. That does not mean they will oppose us or that they do not support us."

Putin has to walk a bit of a tightrope to silence the dwindling old-line commies in his country. Note that his "opposition" to the ABM/NMD thing quickly morphed into quiet acceptance. When all is said and done, Russia and the US will end up jointly developing and deploying the system, because both countries need it. When my neighbor and me are both at risk of burglars and home invaders, the last thing that concerns us is maintaining a ten-foot high fence between our two homes.

Putin is faced with realpolitik considerations that require him to "demand" that the US include them in the plan, so that he can show that he negotiated it out of us as a concession. Unfortunately, he can't come out and say the obvious -- that the ABM treaty is meaningless, and that Russia needs NMD as much as the US does. So, he and Bush (and their close circles of advisors) worked out the plan, and now Putin plays for his constituency.

42 posted on 12/16/2001 11:51:42 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: malarski
The main concern of the international community, he said, was to prevent Iraq developing weapons of mass destruction. Bombing did not seem to advance this aim.

Baloney. Bombing works wonders. When Saddam decided to build a nuke factory, Israel (without any support from "the international community," (whatever the hell that is) bombed and took it out. Bombing certainly advanced that aim didn't it?

Russia wanted Iraq to re-admit UN weapons inspectors in exchange for a full lifting of sanctions, Mr Putin said. But he admitted this idea had "not met with understanding on the part of Iraq's leadership".

LOL! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!

43 posted on 12/17/2001 12:03:23 AM PST by ppaul
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To: aspide
grow up? have you ever heard rumsfeld say " the mission will define the coalition, not the coalition will define the mission?" i dont see how growing up has anything to do with my having a problem with russia "butting in" or as you could say, sticking their nose where it doesnt belong. unless youve been in a cave with bin laden for the past 10 years, russia and putin have had something to say about just about anything we've been involved in for far too long. perhaps youre the naive one, are we that desperate to organize this "international coalition?" has colin powell brainwashed you?
44 posted on 12/17/2001 12:14:43 AM PST by nocommies
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To: Asmodeus
"Putin Warns US Over War On Terror & Against Military Action Against Iraq."

Then, Hell take action against the bankrupt Russia first, like General Paton wanted to do.
Then turn Iraq in dust.
Then Iran
Then we use hydrogen fuels, and they can all pound sand over there.

45 posted on 12/17/2001 1:36:15 AM PST by DeaconRed
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To: RoseofTexas
So much for FRIENDSHIP!

It seems, Putin is a bigger friend than Kristol and the rest of the neokommie krew.

46 posted on 12/17/2001 2:59:08 AM PST by madrussian
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To: oldtimer
I wonder how our "friend" Putin would feel if the al-Qeada had taken one into the heart of mother Russia.

They did, ever heard of Chechnya and terrorist acts in Moscow?

The obvious question that you should ask yourself is where is the proof of Iraq's involvement (none).

47 posted on 12/17/2001 3:00:41 AM PST by madrussian
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To: NetValue
If we have such proof of Iraqi participation

Wouldn't that be the first thing to start with? Have you ever heard Joe Lieberman or Kristol mention any proof? You don't find it peculiar that a gang of neokommies are the ones calling for war on Iraq?

48 posted on 12/17/2001 3:02:34 AM PST by madrussian
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To: Miss Marple
I agree with you.
49 posted on 12/17/2001 3:03:01 AM PST by madrussian
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To: nagdt
Let the virgin seeking suicide bombers loose on downtown Moscow and see what Putin has to say then...

At least you could have decency to pretend it's about America and say something about planes crashing into buildings, and not about suicide bombers.

50 posted on 12/17/2001 3:04:41 AM PST by madrussian
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