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A little Historical perspective on the validity of "Palestinian" claims in Israel.


1 posted on 01/09/2002 4:48:50 AM PST by Sabertooth
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2 posted on 01/09/2002 4:50:13 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
I see the Pales not as a people but as a gang like the Cripes or the Bloods. I see Israel as the Homeowner's Association.
3 posted on 01/09/2002 4:57:01 AM PST by DeckTheHallsHolly
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To: Sabertooth
NOW YOU ARE COOOKING!! With the real stuff!
4 posted on 01/09/2002 4:59:25 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Sabertooth
For a while there I thought I was reading a paraphrase of Fox's Book of Martyrs ... account after account of the exact same thing.

This time, I was reading the systematic destruction of the Jews and their land by the Ishmaelites.

Let the evidence speak for itself.

Thanx, Sabertooth.

5 posted on 01/09/2002 5:04:04 AM PST by knarf
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To: Sabertooth
Temple Mount

 

 

http://www.cmep.com/temple2.htm

 

The Islamic Claim to Temple Mount and to Israel.
Just look how desolate and neglected the Mosque and the Dome of the Rock were in 1875. Weeds growing. More proof of what a depopulated backwater Palestine was when the Zionists came.

To attempt to resolve the problem we examined Arab photographs taken about 1875 by the Bonfils out of Lebanon. The photographs are from a Lebanese WEB site whose address is: http://almashriq.hiof.no/general/700/770/779/historical/pcd0109.html, and http://www.lib.uchicago.edu:80/LibInfo/SourcesBySubject/MiddleEast/Photo/Jerusalem.html, and http://almashriq.hiof.no/general/700/770/779/historical/pcd0109/17.jpg

The photos were computer enhanced to build up contrast as they are old and faded.

We also added a photograph of the Western Wall, part of the same collection, to demonstrate Jewish use of the Wall.

Following are some of the description of the photographs:

17 Mosque of Omar [Dome of the Rock] and David's Judgment Seat, Jerusalem, Mosquee d'Omar et tribunal de David.
15 The Jews Wailing Place, a Friday, Mur des Juifs, un vebdredi.
19 Mosque of El-Aksa, Jerusalem, Jerusalem. Mosquee, El-Aksa.
20 Mosque of Omar [Dome of the Rock] from the South, Jerusalem.
Bonfils, ca. 1875. Mount labelled "119. Different cupolas on platform of Temple." Produced by the Bonfils Studio, Beirut, and sold by Charles Taber & Co., New Bedford, Mass. Albumen. Mounted. 11 x 8.5 inches. Acquisition number 43-85.
Bonfils, ca. 1875. Mount labelled "113. Mosque of Omar and Court of David." Produced by the Bonfils Studio, Beirut, and sold by Charles Taber & Co., New Bedford, Mass. Albumen. Mounted. 11 x 8.5 inches. Acquisition number 155-85.

Dome of the Rock
Dome of the Rock
Note overall disrepair and lack of use

Dome of the Rock
Dome of the Rock

Missing tiles

Note missing tiles and condition of roof

Dome of the Rock
Dome of the Rock, additional view


Cupolas on Temple Mount
Note overall disrepair and lack of use

Al Aqsa
Al Aqsa Mosque
Note overall disrepair and lack of use

Western Wall
The Western Wall
In constant use since biblical times


6 posted on 01/09/2002 5:04:54 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Sabertooth
Good propaganda post. I find the comment above an excellent summary of the Lynch Mob's beliefs...

"I see the Pales not as a people"

10 posted on 01/09/2002 5:25:14 AM PST by rdww
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12 posted on 01/09/2002 5:27:57 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
From masada2000.org

1949 Armistice Lines Following 1st Arab-Israeli War    The end result of the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation of a Jewish State slightly larger than that which was proposed by the United Nations two years before. What remained of that almost-created second  Arab Palestinian State was gobbled up by Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (the "West Bank" of the Jordan River) and Jerusalem. In the next year (1950) Trans-Jordan formally merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted all those Arabs living there Jordanian citizenship.  Since Trans-Jordan was no longer confined to one side of the  Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "JORDAN.  In the final analysis, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine. But that was still not 100% and thus the conflict between Arab and Jew for "Palestine" would continue through four more wars and continuous Arab terrorist  attacks upon the Israeli citizenry! It continues to this very day.
    From 1948-67  when all of Judea-Samaria [West Bank] ... including Jerusalem!) ended up under Arab [Jordanian] control, no effort was EVER made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there.  Surely you do not expect Israel to now provide these same Arabs with their own country when their fellow Arabs failed to do so!  And isn't it curious how Arafat and his PLO (formed in 1964)  discovered their "ancient" identity and a need for "self-determination" and "human dignity" on this very same West Bank ONLY AFTER Israel regained this territory (three years later in 1967) following Jordan's attempt attempt to destroy Israel!  Why was no request ever made upon King Hussein of Jordan when he "occupied" the West Bank?  Is it logical that the PLO was formed in 1964 to regain the lands they would lose three years later in 1967?  This sort of logic makes sense only to those who who have not learned that the PLO was formed to DESTROY Israel. And that is STILL their goal! A cosmetic name change from PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) to PA (Palestinian Authority) does not change the spots on THIS tiger!

Could it be that the Arabs knew the only way to get good land was to steal it after the Jews had returned it to fertility?

13 posted on 01/09/2002 5:30:36 AM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: Sabertooth
This book was discredited shortly after it was printed and was a total embarrassment to the author. a A better read would be "Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem"
15 posted on 01/09/2002 5:32:40 AM PST by Canoe Man
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To: Sabertooth
Bump!
45 posted on 01/09/2002 6:33:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Sabertooth
The book you quoted from, From Time Immemorial, is probably the best, most thoroughly researched and historically accurate treatise on the subject of modern Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict. I thought it was out of print. Must be being re-printed now with the renewed interest after 9/11.
Thanks.
64 posted on 01/09/2002 7:23:28 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Sabertooth
Population expands as agriculture and technology develop to support it. A hundred years ago the Holy land was more primitive than it is today, but you may be sure that the land was occupied and exploited to the best ability of the people living there at the time. In future generations, technology may well support vastly denser population worldwide, the USA included. But I do not think you'd concede that the USA is currently " a Land virtually laid waste with little population".
74 posted on 01/09/2002 7:58:35 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Sabertooth
Seems to prove that Muslims are the BIGGEST parasites on the planet...they only want the territory when someone else wants it, and makes it livable. After someone else pours in the $$$ and provides the infrastructure...THEN it's "the Palestinian Homeland".

Break out the daisy cutters...I think we have a target!

85 posted on 01/09/2002 8:41:43 AM PST by Itzlzha
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Interesting research resource, re: Ezekial 37. FYI.
103 posted on 01/09/2002 11:09:07 AM PST by Salem
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To: Sabertooth
Excellent post. History is the prime target of the purveyors of the 'Big Lie'. Until they have to show themselves for the book-burning Nazis that they are, these historical reviews will show their lies for what they are.

Regards,

105 posted on 01/09/2002 12:06:29 PM PST by beowolf
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Good posts!!! Nothing more to add here.
106 posted on 01/09/2002 1:02:27 PM PST by Lent
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Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians

Robin McKie, science editor

Sunday November 25, 2001

The Observer

A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.

Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.

Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical dogma.

'I have authored several hundred scientific papers, some for Nature and Science, and this has never happened to me before,' said the article's lead author, Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, of Complutense University in Madrid. 'I am stunned.'

British geneticist Sir Walter Bodmer added: 'If the journal didn't like the paper, they shouldn't have published it in the first place. Why wait until it has appeared before acting like this?'

The journal's editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it. The article has been removed from Human Immunology's website, while letters have been written to libraries and universities throughout the world asking them to ignore or 'preferably to physically remove the relevant pages'. Arnaiz- Villena has been sacked from the journal's editorial board.

Dolly Tyan, president of the American Society of Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, which runs the journal, told subscribers that the society is 'offended and embarrassed'.

The paper, 'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations', involved studying genetic variations in immune system genes among people in the Middle East.

In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team's research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.

Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude.

But the journal, having accepted the paper earlier this year, now claims the article was politically biased and was written using 'inappropriate' remarks about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Its editor told the journal Nature last week that she was threatened by mass resignations from members if she did not retract the article.

Arnaiz-Villena says he has not seen a single one of the accusations made against him, despite being promised the opportunity to look at the letters sent to the journal.

He accepts he used terms in the article that laid him open to criticism. There is one reference to Jewish 'colonists' living in the Gaza strip, and another that refers to Palestinian people living in 'concentration' camps.

'Perhaps I should have used the words settlers instead of colonists, but really, what is the difference?' he said.

'And clearly, I should have said refugee, not concentration, camps, but given that I was referring to settlements outside of Israel - in Syria and Lebanon - that scarcely makes me anti- Jewish. References to the history of the region, the ones that are supposed to be politically offensive, were taken from the Encyclopaedia Britannica, and other text books.'

In the wake of the journal's actions, and claims of mass protests about the article, several scientists have now written to the society to support Arnaiz-Villena and to protest about their heavy-handedness.

One of them said: 'If Arnaiz-Villena had found evidence that Jewish people were genetically very special, instead of ordinary, you can be sure no one would have objected to the phrases he used in his article. This is a very sad business.'

107 posted on 01/09/2002 2:09:06 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: Sabertooth

Mad Mo had to create a new religion. The olds ones told him being sloth was a deadly sin, that and raping little boys.


137 posted on 03/26/2010 4:10:26 AM PDT by CodeToad
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