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Study: Neanderthals, Modern Humans Same Species
USA Today ^ | 12-26-2001 | Michael A. Stowe

Posted on 01/10/2002 5:42:43 AM PST by blam

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:38:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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I'll say it again, We are Neanderthals.
1 posted on 01/10/2002 5:42:43 AM PST by blam
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Were they the Hobbits?
2 posted on 01/10/2002 5:45:34 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: blam
Thick skulled early Democrats.
3 posted on 01/10/2002 5:47:13 AM PST by mgc1122
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From an evolutionary point of view, ability or inability to breed obviously has effects, so it is a good species differentiator. If you can interbreed, you are considered in the same species.

But what if you can interbreed, but don't want to. What if most neanderthals were unappealing to spaiens sapiens? Techically, even if they could interbreed, they didn't. So the evolutionary results are the same as IF they were different species.

In that case, I think it is actually safe to classify them as seperate species.

4 posted on 01/10/2002 5:48:04 AM PST by jlogajan
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But what if you can interbreed, but don't want to.

Unlikely. Humans have attempted to mate with members of the same sex, the opposite sex, cows, sheep, footwear and watermelons.

If there were Neanderthals around, the chance that some enterprising Homo Sapiens didn't give them a try is just about zilch.

5 posted on 01/10/2002 5:53:31 AM PST by Interesting Times
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Study traces genetic origin of Chinese to Africa

Most of the population of modern China owes its genetic origins to Africa, an international scientific team reports in research that undercuts any claim that modern humans may have originated independently in China.

In the search for human origins, in which political beliefs and pride of place can figure as much as fossil evidence, the new genetic findings dramatically illustrate the intricate weave of prehistoric migrations and human evolution, the scientists said.

The researchers also demonstrated that the peoples of northern and southern China cluster into distinct regional genetic populations that share inherited characteristics. Those groups, in turn, can be divided into even smaller, separate genetic groups. Yet, overall, they all are descendants of a single population group that may have migrated into China eons before humans learned to write or forge metal tools, the new research suggests.

Published in today's edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the study is the product of the Chinese Human Genome Diversity Project, a consortium of seven major research groups in the People's Republic of China, and the Human Genetics Center at the University of Texas at Houston. It was funded by the National Natural Science Foundation of China.

The group used the advanced tools of DNA analysis to create detailed genetic profiles of 28 of China's official population groups, which make up more than 90 percent of the country's population, to try to understand the roots of complex chronic diseases such as diabetes and hypertension.

By exploring the genetic relationships among China's ethnic groups, the team also shed light on the ancestry of people in East Asia, who, like everyone, carry in every cell of their bodies genetic hints to their evolutionary history and the journeys of their forebears.

In all, the Chinese government today recognizes 56 ethnic groups. Just one of them, the Han, makes up the bulk of the population, comprising about 1.1 billion people. The 55 other ethnic minority groups encompass about 100 million people.

To study the diverse genetic inheritance of such an enormous population, the researchers used a special set of genetic markers called microsatellites. These extremely short chemical segments of DNA mutate very rapidly. That lets scientists use them as signposts to mark how populations diverged or merged over time, reconstructing their evolutionary journey across time and the continents to their present homes.

The scientists looked at 30 such microsatellite markers across 28 of the population groups in China and compared the pattern to 11 other population groups around the world.

"Populations from East Asia always derived from a single lineage, indicating the single origins of those populations," they said. "It is now probably safe to conclude that modern humans originating in Africa constitute the majority of the current gene pool in East Asia," they said.

While few scholars today dispute the idea that the earliest ancestors of the human species evolved in Africa, there still is considerable debate over how modern humanity evolved from its more primitive ancestors.

Many anthropologists believe humans may have migrated out of Africa in waves. More than a million years ago, humanity's primitive ancestors, known as Homo erectus, walked out of Africa to colonize Europe, the Middle East and Asia. On that everyone agrees.

Then several hundred thousand years later, some theorize, a second wave of more sophisticated tool-using humans migrated out of Africa and overwhelmed those earlier ancestors. By that theory, modern humans are descended only from those sophisticated tool-users.

Other researchers dispute that pattern. In their view, there was no second wave of migration from Africa. Instead, they believe, humankind evolved in China and elsewhere as colonies of more primitive Homo erectus intermarried in a global network of genetic relationships.

"The issue," said University of Michigan anthropologist Milford Wilpoff, "is about whether people have multiple ancestors from many places or one ancestor from one place."

6 posted on 01/10/2002 6:15:38 AM PST by blam
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the chance that some enterprising Homo Sapiens didn't give them a try is just about zilch.

I thought the consensus was they were substantially stronger than humans...maybe they were chasing us around, giving us a try!

Until BONGOsamURGcolt came up with the spear-thrower "equalizer"...and they became extinct...

7 posted on 01/10/2002 6:18:37 AM PST by fourdeuce82d
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If you ever left a bar at closing time you would realize that there is no such thing as "unappealing female" to a homo sapien male.
8 posted on 01/10/2002 6:49:06 AM PST by steve50
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Actually Neanderthal's "disappeared" as a result of the development of good cutting tools. Massive strength was no longer required, and non Neanderthal traits could then be passed down without catastrophic consequences.
9 posted on 01/10/2002 6:55:53 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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bump
10 posted on 01/10/2002 7:35:02 AM PST by Gladwin
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Can anyone direct me to a good "Neanderthals for Dummies" or "Ancient Anthropology" site?
11 posted on 01/10/2002 7:47:05 AM PST by HarryDunne
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Can anyone direct me to a good "Neanderthals for Dummies"

Sure, check out the Democratic Underground site, you'll be pleasantly surprised. : )

12 posted on 01/10/2002 8:00:33 AM PST by Psalm 73
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:D
13 posted on 01/10/2002 8:02:38 AM PST by HarryDunne
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BUMP
14 posted on 01/10/2002 8:04:15 AM PST by Aurelius
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Unlikely. Humans have attempted to mate with members of the same sex, the opposite sex, cows, sheep, footwear and watermelons.

Exactly. Has anyone done any archaeological research on turkey-basters?

15 posted on 01/10/2002 8:06:13 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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Humans have attempted to mate with ... watermelons.

Indeed. How else to explain Marlon Brando?

16 posted on 01/10/2002 8:07:39 AM PST by Gumlegs
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You forgot interns.
17 posted on 01/10/2002 8:11:06 AM PST by orfisher
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Unlikely. Humans have attempted to mate with members of the same sex, the opposite sex, cows, sheep, footwear and watermelons.

Are you an Ichthyophobe? I noticed you left fish completely off the list. :o)

18 posted on 01/10/2002 8:16:01 AM PST by been_lurking
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Hey, when that guy said he was going to mount that fish, he meant that he would have it stuffed to hang on the wall!
19 posted on 01/10/2002 8:25:31 AM PST by RayBob
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a University of Tennessee anthropologist reports statistical evidence that Neandertals and emerging modern humans likely interbred and evolved together.

As much as I understand the PC imperative of an Academic and his detestation of all things violent; and I know how wonderful is his theory that the ancients "likely interbred and evolved together" - "made love," as it were, it is more likely that the opposite occurred: They "made war" and the Cro-magnons wiped out the more dim-witted Neanderthals.
Academics never quite give up their agenda, even as it is contradicted by their own research.

20 posted on 01/10/2002 8:32:06 AM PST by bimbo
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