Posted on 01/22/2002 9:45:45 PM PST by t-shirt
Interpretation of law allows confiscation
MICHAEL A. SAWYERS
January 17, 2002
Cumberland Times-News Staff Writer
CUMBERLAND -- Under the current interpretation by the Maryland attorney general concerning the confiscation of firearms, citizens who had misdemeanor transgressions at any time in the past could have their guns taken, according to Delegate Kevin Kelly.
Such misdemeanors include cheating, defamation of private persons, unlawful assembly, blasphemy, profanity, common scolding, disturbance and disorderly conduct.
"As long as a person could have been sentenced to one year or more in jail, their guns can be confiscated," Kelly said.
"If you actually spent more than a year in jail then you did something bad and I don't want you to have a gun either. But like in Larry's (Dicken) case, two young bucks got into a shoving match and he has been law-abiding ever since then. He should be allowed to have his firearms."
Dicken said he didn't even use guns until after his son graduated from high school in 1998 and he found himself needing something to do.
"My brother hunted and I got into it that way and found that I enjoyed shooting and hunting," Dicken said.
Kelly said his fellow legislators tell similar stories involving their constituents elsewhere in Maryland. His request in October for state police to quantify such confiscations and explain the individual convictions upon which actions were based has gone unanswered.
He is sponsoring a bill that would prevent state officials from enforcing the federal statute that allows confiscation of the weapons. It also would prohibit anyone who was sentenced to a year or more in jail from owning or possessing a gun.
"I'm hopeful that the bill will pass and that I will be able to use the firearms again," Dicken said. "At first I was so upset that I brought in my American flag from out front. I felt like I didn't have any freedom anymore. Then Sept. 11 came and everybody everywhere was buying guns to protect themselves, but I wasn't allowed to protect myself. Now, I've got $5,000 worth of guns I can't use and I paid for a membership at the Fort Hill Rifle Club and I can't shoot. I hope it works out. I really want to go hunting next year."
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"Such misdemeanors include cheating, defamation of private persons, unlawful assembly, blasphemy, profanity, common scolding, disturbance and disorderly conduct."
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Resist All Gun Control/Gun Confiscation!
Stay Armed, Stay Free!
Why do I say this?
Because they will not give up, but eventually Conservatives will give in, as we always do.
Shoot guns and reload while you can because the day is coming when you will not be able to.
Do any of us have "rights" any more, or are we merely serfs who have "privileges" at the discretion of our masters?
Updated Gun Control and related links here (#9)
Grrrrrrr . . . yet another excuse. Fits real well with the, 'create so many little laws everyone will break one somewhere' methodology.
They creep closer, and closer, and --
I won't buy another gun in MD. But that won't stop them.
The ammo tax will go through in this next session of the local legislature.
Then reloaders will be targeted.
I'll post current pending legislation that will make gun buyers use a fingerprint tomorrow.
BLOAT. Molon Labe.
Bumped and bookmarked!!
Well then, let's review the ins and outs of "THE ART OF THE CACHE."
~~~Chuck Schumer, 1993
The never quit, they just tighten the shackles one click of the ratchet at a time, always in the same direction, always tighter.
Then it will be one month. Then it will be any misdemeanor.
It's called the ratchet effect, AKA the slow boiling frog.
Anarchy is upon us , albeit incrementally , it is indeed upon us. I guess we just wait till it's out turn,.... nothing we can do , .....they got us, .....were toast, .......deer in the headlights !
Stay Safe & Cache well and plenty !
The realize that already, and that is just what they want----the destruction of America!
Next, they'll go from "misdeamenors" to "traffic tickets".
Do any of us have "rights" any more, or are we merely serfs who have "privileges" at the discretion of our masters?
That is the fundamental question which virtually every issue boils down to.
Our side believes in "rights". The enemy believes in "privileges".
This is an "irreconcilable difference" between the two sides, and the resolution of this issue will determine if we are a nation of Free People or a nation of slaves.
As it stands now, in Michigan one cannot get a CPL (concealed pistols license) if one has had any misdemeanor in the last three years, eight for other ones (usually involving impersonating law enforcement or obstructing LEOs). Of course, it's also a misdemeanor in Michigan to curse within the hearing of women and children. (I kid you not!)
Don't forget to put in the traffic infractions; (shrill anti-rights voice) If they can't respect simple traffic laws, what will they do with a GUN (/shrill anti-rights voice).
Rand pointed this out years ago; if the government made so many laws, and made them incomprehensible, then everyone would be a criminal and subject to their control. Another aspect is that many jobs and careers are being cut off from those with any sort of record. That is a recipe for making a permanent criminal underclass. If we treat a person like a criminal, even after their punishment is done, then they will always disrespect the laws and perform criminal acts. Some people are incorrigibly evil; there's no doubt about that. But why condemn a person to a life of outlawry for potentially minor infractions?
The ex-post-facto nature of this so-called "interpretation" has already been discussed.
They already use some traffic tickets as justification to prohibit CCW license in Michigan under the new "nondiscretionary" law (that's the law that still has the "gun boards" that decide whether or not you're a suitable person -- above and beyond any actual convictions).
BTW, what's that nonsense about "common scolding"? Are they serious? Yeah, stupid question, of course they're serious.
Common scolding. Good grief!
Well, that depends, Travis.
If you consider "rights" as something someone else gives you, then no, they are gone. Never did exist, actually.
If you correctly define "rights" as something you CLAIM as a FREE MAN, then they are yours. Lock, stock and barrel, as long as you live.
The children of today are being hammered day-in and day-out with the PC mindset from the schoolroom to the television shows they watch! Their parents were, for the most part, raised the same way and they no longer possess the strong moral fiber that is required to turn this shameful attack on our freedoms back!!
On the bright side, most of the liberal messengers are the first to be exterminated when the transformation is complete, because they know it was a lie in the first place...ie...Stalinist Russia!!
"Click" goes the ratchet, because the Republicans are too spineless to roll ANY gun laws back.
Lock, stock and barrel, as long as you live.Which may be until you get the "3AM flashbang wakeup call" from your local SWAT team as a known gun law resistor/domestic terrorist.
(Known from "tips", yellow forms, sales records, ammo purchase credit card records etc etc.)
Meanwhile NJ will jail you for an 11 round magazine, ANY 11 round magazine.
MD will take your guns from an ex post facto 20 year old misdemeaonor.
And so on.
Oh well. I did say, "as long as you live."
History proves freedom has a price.
Yes, it does.
It just comes down to whether we get a Ruth Baider Meinhoff or a Scalia.
It just comes down to whether we get a Ruth Baider Meinhoff or a Scalia.
Travis, I thought you agreed with me about rights are something you claim as yours.
These people you mention, they're just people. They get paid more than we do for doing much less, but they're just people. They can't take your rights because they didn't give them to you to begin with.
You seem a little more, shall we say, pessimistic, than usual, Travis. Don't let 'em put you in a box, think outside the box, OK?
Step outside the narrow confines of their legalistic box, and you may find a "gun enforcement" SWAT team has your name.
They won't give a damn if you "consider yourself a free man" or not.
They'll just throw in the flashbangs, all in a night's work for our new gun gestapos.
But you play the cards you're dealt, right? Us old bikers, (and most of the younger ones, bless their confused, little hearts), live by a creed. The gist of this creed has been verbalized in many different ways over the years. Boiled down to as few words as possible, the latest incarnation of the creed is painted/scratched/emblemized/decaled on many, many bikes.
Live free or die.
This is most assuredly not macho keyboard posturing, it is the way I live. It's the way I've always lived. It's the way I will continue to live until I ain't livin' no more. And it's not even my fault. I was told over and over again in grade school that this is a free country. I guess I was brainwashed, and they did it to me. And now, I'm too old to change.
I am not alone either, and it ain't just bikers. Lots of freepers live this way. Lots of a lot of people live this way.
I don't know how this all will end, but I do know that there are too many people who won't roll over and play dead for 'em. America, ugly liberal socialist warts and all, is still a purdy good place to be. On account of the people mentioned above, no doubt. So keep the faith!
Is there anybody here on this thread that did NOT EVER (honestly now) commit a misdeamenor which would have been punishable by a year if caught and hammered by a judge with a hard on?
Seventy-five percent of the population breaks the law at least once a week; 20% break the law daily. Probably the only people not breaking the law are mostly young children. Give them a few more years and they'll be sucked into the "criminal" category too.
The U.S. Code contains all federal statutes and consists of 56,117 single-spaced pages. Taking up nine feet of shelf space consisting of forty-seven volumes. The Code of Federal Regulations consists of more than 134,500 pages of regulatory law spanning twenty feet of shelf space. Judicial precedents for Federal law stretch across 490 feet of law-library shelving that consists of 2,756 volumes.
How many of of those laws have you broken?
If it was possible to have enough cops to apprehend and process all law breakers and run them through the justice system society would run headlong into destruction. In a day society would come to a screeching halt.
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." - Atlas Shrugged
This way if some Gestapo stormtroopers, Chi-Coms or UN Gun Confiscation teams come to do illegal gun confiscation several of the targeted citizens nieghbors can fire from their homes or surrounding woods, etc and take out the criminal attackers with large caliber rifles in a defensive sniper fashion.
If say a forty man team shows up and violently breaks into a home to confiscate(steal) their weapons, and three nieghbors with 30.06's or 50 cal. and take out five or six of them, the rest will quickly retreat.
And resistence builds more resistence by inspiring others to mutually defend themselves in a like fashion, and also puts the fear of God into the criminal attackers.
But by making some many small things(some not even actual crimes) punishable by removal of one's firearms and removal of one's Constitutionally protected right to defend ones self with arms, you can arbitrarily, gradually disarm most people, or place them in prison, or put them in jeapardy of their life.
Whichever case, the tyrant can achieve his goal of disarmament of the most of the citizens and the intimidation of being arrested, killed, etc. of most of those who aren't as easily disarmed.
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