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Why Is Libertarianism Wrong?
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Posted on 02/01/2002 10:21:47 AM PST by Exnihilo

Why is libertarianism wrong?

Why is libertarianism wrong?

The origins, background, values, effects, and defects of libertarianism. Some sections are abstract, but at the end some irreducible value conflicts are clearly stated.


origins

Libertarianism is part of the Anglo-American liberal tradition in political philosophy. It is a development of classic liberalism, and not a separate category from it. It is specifically linked to the United States. Many libertarian texts are written by people, who know only North American political culture and society. They claim universal application for libertarianism, but it remains culture-bound. For instance, some libertarians argue by quoting the US Constitution, without apparently realising, that it is not in force outside the USA. Most online material on libertarianism contrasts it to liberalism, but this contrast is also specific the USA - where the word 'liberal' is used to mean 'left-of-centre'. Here, the word 'liberal' is used in the European sense: libertarians are a sub-category of liberals. As political philosophy, liberalism includes John Locke, John Stuart Mill, Karl Popper, Friedrich Hayek, Isaiah Berlin, and John Rawls. As a political movement, it is represented by the continental-European liberal parties in the Liberal International.

At this point, you might expect a definition of libertarianism. However, most definitions of libertarianism are written by libertarians themselves, and they are extremely propagandistic. "Libertarianism is freedom!' is a slogan, not a definition. Most other definitions of libertarianism borrow from those self-definitions, so I have avoided them. Instead, the values, claims, and effects listed below describe the reality of libertarianism.

values

The values of libertarianism can not be rationally grounded. It is a system of belief, a 'worldview'. If you are a libertarian, then there is no point in reading any further. There is no attempt here to convert you: your belief is simply rejected. The rejection is comprehensive, meaning that all the starting points of libertarian argument (premises) are also rejected. There is no shared ground from which to conduct an argument.

The libertarian belief system includes the values listed in this section, which are affirmed by most libertarians. Certainly, no libertarian rejects them all...

the claims and self-image of libertarianism

Libertarians tend to speak in slogans - "we want freedom", "we are against bureaucracy" - and not in political programmes. Even when they give a direct definition of libertarianism, it is not necessarily true.

The differences between libertarian image and libertarian reality are summarised in this table.

libertarian image libertarian reality
Image: non-coercion, no initiation of force Reality: libertarians legitimise economic injustice, by refusing to define it as coercion or initiated force
Image: moral autonomy of the individual Reality: libertarians demand that the individual accept the outcome of market forces
Image: political freedom Reality: some form of libertarian government, imposing libertarian policies on non-libertarians
Image: libertarians condemn existing states as oppressive Reality: libertarians use the political process in existing states to implement their policies
Image: benefits of libertarianism Reality: libertarians claim the right to decide for others, what constitutes a 'benefit'


political structures in a libertarian society

Values do not enforce their own existence in the social world. The values of libertarianism would have to be enforced, like those of any other political ideology. These political structures would be found in most libertarian societies.

effects

The effects of a libertarian world flow from the values it enforces.

what is libertarianism?

With the values and effects listed above, the general characteristics of libertarianism can be summarised.

Firstly, libertarianism is a legitimation of the existing order, at least in the United States. All political regimes have a legitimising ideology, which gives an ethical justification for the exercise of political power. The European absolute monarchies, for instance, appealed to the doctrine of legitimate descent. The King was the son of a previous King, and therefore (so the story went), entitled to be king. In turn, a comprehensive opposition to a regime will have a comprehensive justification for abolishing it. Libertarianism is not a 'revolutionary ideology' in that sense, seeking to overthrow fundamental values of the society around it. In fact, most US libertarians have a traditionalist attitude to American core values. Libertarianism legitimises primarily the free-market, and the resulting social inequalities.

Specifically libertarianism is a legitimation for the rich - the second defining characteristic. If Bill Gates wants to defend his great personal wealth (while others are starving) then libertarianism is a comprehensive option. His critics will accuse him of greed. They will say he does not need the money and that others desperately need it. They will say his wealth is an injustice, and insist that the government redistribute it. Liberalism (classic liberal philosophy) offers a defence for all these criticisms, but libertarianism is sharper in its rejection. That is not to say that Bill Gates 'pays all the libertarians'. (He would pay the Republican Party instead, which is much better organised, and capable of winning elections). Libertarianism is not necessarily invented or financed, by those who benefit from the ideology. In the USA and certainly in Europe, self-declared libertarians are a minority within market-liberal and neoliberal politics - also legitimising ideologies. To put it crudely, Bill Gates and his companies do not need the libertarians - although they are among his few consistent defenders. (Libertarians formed a 'Committee for the Moral Defense of Microsoft' during the legal actions against the firm).

Thirdly, libertarians are conservatives. Many are openly conservative, but others are evasive about the issue. But in the case of openly conservative libertarians, the intense commitment to conservatism forms the apparent core of their beliefs. I suggest this applies to most libertarians: they are not really interested in the free market or the non-coercion principle or limited government, but in their effects. Perhaps what libertarians really want is to prevent innovation, to reverse social change, or in some way to return to the past. Certainly conservative ideals are easy to find among libertarians. Charles Murray, for instance, writes in What it means to be a Libertarian (p. 138):

The triumph of an earlier America was that it has set all the right trends in motion, at a time when the world was first coming out of millennia of poverty into an era of plenty. The tragedy of contemporary America is that it abandonned that course. Libertarians want to return to it.

Now, Murray is an easy target: he is not only an open conservative, but also a racist. (As co-author of The Bell Curve he is probably the most influential western academic theorist of racial inferiority). But most US libertarians share his nostalgia for the early years of the United States, although it was a slave-owning society. Libertarianism, however, is also structurally conservative in its rejection of revolutionary force (or any innovative force). Without destruction there can be no long-term social change: a world entirely without coercion and force would be a static world.

the real value conflicts with libertarians

The descriptions of libertarianism above are abstract, and criticise its internal inconsistency. Many libertarian texts are insubstantial - just simple propaganda tricks, and misleading appeals to emotion. But there are irreducible differences in fundamental values, between libertarians and their opponents. Because they are irreducible, no common ground of shared values exists: discussion is fruitless. The non-libertarian alternative values include these...

the alternative: what should the state do?

The fundamental task of the state, in a world of liberal market-democratic nation states, is to innovate. To innovate in contravention of national tradition, to innovate when necessary in defiance of the 'will of the people', and to innovate in defiance of market forces and market logic. Libertarians reject any such draconian role for the state - but then libertarians are not the carriers of absolute truth.

These proposed 'tasks of the state' are a replacement for the standard version, used in theoretical works on public administration:

  1. to restrict tradition and heritage, to limit transgenerational culture and transgenerational community - especially if they inhibit innovation
  2. to restrict 'national values', that is the imposition of an ethnic or nation-specific morality
  3. to permit the individual to secede from the nation state, the primary transgenerational community
  4. to limit market forces, and their effects
  5. to permit the individual to secede from the free market
  6. to restrict an emergent civil society, that is, control of society by a network of elite 'actors' (businesses and NGO's)
  7. to prevent a 'knowledge society' - a society where a single worldview (with an absolute claim to truth) is uncontested .
To avoid confusion, note that they are not all directed against libertarianism: but if libertarians shaped the world, the state would do none of these things.


relevant links

Index page: liberalism

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Liberalism - the mainstream definitions of liberalism.

Liberal Manifesto of Oxford (1947), European political liberalism. Some elements, such as "Loyal adherence to a world organisation of all nations..." would now be rejected by the same parties.

Libertäre Ideologie - a series of articles on the libertarian ideology at the online magazine Telepolis. Even if you can not read German, it is useful as a source of links, to libertarian and related sites.

European Libertarians. The Statue of Liberty on their homepage also symbolises Atlanticism: there is no recent libertarian tradition in Europe, outside the UK. More typical of European ultra-liberal politics is the New Right economic liberalism which was at the start of the Thatcher government in Britain. See for example the Institute for Economic Studies Europe, or in central Europe the Czech Liberální Institut.

Libertarian NL, a Dutch libertarian homepage (Aschwin de Wolf). But look at the political issues, the political thinkers, and the links: the libertarian world consists primarily of the United States. In December 2000 the featured theme was an open letter to Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the US central bank (Federal Reserve Board). Yet this is a Dutch website, made by people who live in Europe. Their currency policy is made by European central bank chairman Wim Duisenberg, the former Netherlands central bank president. But they chose to ignore the society around them, and live as wannabe US citizens. Again, a recurrent pattern among European libertarians.

Libertarisme: De renaissance van het klassiek liberalisme by Aschwin de Wolf. This introduction to libertarianism, written for the members of the Netherlands liberal party VVD, illustrates the missionary attitude of libertarians in Europe. European liberalism has become corrupted, they claim, and must reform itself on the model of US libertarianism.

Libertarisme FAQ: explicit about the conservative effects of libertarianism: "Je zou echter wel kunnen stellen dat het libertarisme conservatief is in die zin dat zij mensen in hun waarde laat en geen progressieve experimenten door de overheid toelaat. Het libertarisme is dus heel goed verenigbaar met het koesteren van tradities of andere overgeleverde manieren van leven."

democratic expansionism: liberal market democracy itself depends on coercion, a US military invasion for example

The advantage of capitalist trucks, David Friedman

The Cathedral and the Bazaar: libertarian ideologists are switching their attention from the Internet to Open Source. This text restates a theme from classic liberal philosophy: the contrast between emergent and ideal order (market and Church).

The non-statist FAQ seems to have gone offline (December 2000).

Critiques Of Libertarianism, the best-known anti-libertarian site, but almost exclusively US-American in content.

Elfnet: O/S for a Global Brain?: a good example of the combination of New Age, computer science, and globalism in global-brain connectionism. Opens, as you might expect, with a quote from Kevin Kelly.

Multi-Agent Systems / Hypereconomy: organicist free-market ideas from Alexander Chislenko, "...a contract economy looks much like a forest ecology..."
Networking in the Mind Age: Chislenko on a network global-brain. "The infomorph society will be built on new organizational principles and will represent a blend of a superliquid economy, cyberspace anarchy and advanced consciousness". I hope it works better than his website, which crashed my browser.

Gigantism in Soviet Space: the Soviet Union's state-organised mega-projects are a horror for all liberals. They contravene almost every libertarian precept.

The Right to Discriminate, from the libertarian "Constitution of Oceania". Few libertarians are so explicit about this, but logically it fits. The Right to Own a Business also provides that "Mandatory disability benefits for transvestites, pedophiles, pyromaniacs, kleptomaniacs, drug addicts, and compulsive gamblers are obviously forbidden."

Virtual Canton Constitution, from the libertarian think-tank Free Nation Foundation. Although they claim to be anti-statists, libertarians write many and detailed Constitutions. This one re-appears in the generally libertarian Amsterdam 2.0 urban design project.

Serbia and Bosnia: A Foreign Policy Formulation : libertarianism solves the Bosnia problem. "I am a newcomer to foreign policy and cannot claim to understand all that matters". From the Free Nation site, which advocates a (logically inconsistent) libertarian state.

Libertarian immigration: Entirely free, but, but...."Fortunately, a truly free society would be protected by the fact that all property would be private. Only an immigrant who had permission to occupy the property of another could even enter the country. Even roads and sidewalks would be privately owned and would probably require some type of fee for entry."

Libertarian Foreign Policy, Libertarian Party of Canada. An example of the isolationism which at present characterises North American libertarianism, despite its inherent universalist character.

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To: Exnihilo
Dagny, you are aware that I didn't write the article right?

You were aware that you posted it, and asked why libertarians wouldn't address it's points... right?

And no sooner do they rebutt this piece of crap of an article, than you distance yourself from it.

141 posted on 02/01/2002 11:28:39 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
When did I say I thought so highly of it? I disagree with a large portion of the post. I do however find most of his observations about Libertarians to be fairly accurate. Just calm down, and stop assuming so much. Ask me if you want to know what I agree with. People post things all the time that they may not necessarily agree with completely.
142 posted on 02/01/2002 11:29:02 AM PST by Exnihilo
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To: OWK
And no sooner do they rebutt this piece of crap of an article

Steve is the only person who's attempted to do so, and he did a good job in my opinion. The rest of you kids have played the name game, and it's really quite sad. Now, just settle down OWK.
143 posted on 02/01/2002 11:29:57 AM PST by Exnihilo
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To: Exnihilo
LOL! He makes specific points about Libertarians that are based in a simple observation of Libertarian rhetoric. I am getting a kick out of this.. I'll be waiting for your refutations

Yet again, and let me put this in bold so you actually read it:

THOSE POINTS ARE BASED ON A FAULTY, FAILED ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL SYSTEM, COMMUNISM, AND THEREFORE MEAN NOTHING TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION

Get it yet?
144 posted on 02/01/2002 11:30:07 AM PST by FreedomIsSimple
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To: Exnihilo
I support a sales tax, full privatisation, and welfare only for the mentally and physically handicapped.

So tell us, what do YOU believe the legitimate role of government to be?

145 posted on 02/01/2002 11:30:10 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Exnihilo
The Libertarian Party of the United States, for instance, seeks to impose a libertarian system on the United States. It is an imposition, and can not be anything else. Unless they are prepared to accept the division of the country, they will have to deal with millions of anti-libertarians, who reject the regime entirely. They might call the riot police the Liberty Police, they might call the prisons Liberty Camps, but it's still not 'political freedom'.

According to this guy's idiotic argument, political freedom cannot exist anywhere, since every political system advocates itself. What an idiot.

146 posted on 02/01/2002 11:30:46 AM PST by The Green Goblin
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To: Exnihilo
you need to stop jerking off and read the replies, about 8 people have discredited this garbage.

damn! your debating skills are weak.

147 posted on 02/01/2002 11:30:57 AM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: riley1992
Central Scrutiniser:

"I'm sure it will get pulled."

No, that only seems to apply to the Libertarians questioning Republicans threads. This one is likely an untouchable.

======================================

Libertarian bashing threads are OK as long as we don't respond to the nasty baiting in kind.

IE, the obsessed can tell damn near any lie about us that they can dream up. We must accept these slurs with a semblance of grace, in order to be allowed to respond.

Isn't it great to be tolerated? I'm really amazed at the amount of liberty we're being given on FR, considering.

148 posted on 02/01/2002 11:31:00 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Exnihilo
Benson, I never claimed that the author's arguments are my arguments. I found his statements interesting, and I posted them.

You're going to need to backpedal alot harder than that....

I'd get off that rickety miniature clown bicycle and run if I were you.

149 posted on 02/01/2002 11:31:18 AM PST by OWK
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To: steve-b
No steve, his "entire argument" doesn't because it isn't a house of cards. Some of his assertions about Libertarians are totally isolated and not dependant on any of his other statements. Asserting that X is the image and Z is the reality doesn't depend upon his political ideology in any way though I cannot say how much his ideology may influence his thinking on such matters.
150 posted on 02/01/2002 11:32:03 AM PST by Exnihilo
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To: OWK
OWK, why do you feel that I'm back peddaling? I'd like to know why someone can't post something that one find's interesting without it representing what that person believes in full. I don't understand that, could you explain it to me? Perhaps it is you who needs to back pedal from your silly assumption.
151 posted on 02/01/2002 11:33:04 AM PST by Exnihilo
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To: The Green Goblin
This guy's arguments are so idiotic that they defy belief!!!

Yep! I was wondering myself if this was one of those randomly generated essays. It makes no sense. I can't believe that we are actually wasting our time telling this guy its nonsense.

152 posted on 02/01/2002 11:33:09 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Exnihilo
Steve, his statements about Libertarianism don't have anything to do with Communism! You're trying to make a connection that just isn't there.

They have to do with the premises from which he is examining libertarianism.

For example, when he says that libertarians wish to force their ideology upon non-libertarians, that may make you stand up and cheer, until you realize that what he means is simply that libertarians are not willing to be forced at gunpoint to pay for the leftist social experiments his "non-libertarians" are intent upon.

You see? Taking his argument out of its socialistic context and putting it in one that is more familiar to you makes it evaporate and drift away on the wind. Because he believes that it is socially unjust when people attempt to maintain control over the fruits of their labor, he sees it as coercion against the people who would otherwise benefit from the redistribution of those fruits. But that view is only possible in that context. If you are a supporter of property rights, then you cannot argue that libertarians wish to coerce non-libertarians into anything.

Another example is his oft-repeated "bad truck" analogy. He's talking about a situation where market forces led to people not buying a poorly-designed and -built product, meaning that its manufacturer went out of business. He sees this as a bad thing, because of his socialist context. What that must unavoidably mean is that he believes that somehow people should have been coerced to buy this inferior product in order to keep its incompetent manufacturer in business. Is that what you believe? If not, then all the attacks he mounts with this "bad-truck" analogy similarly evaporate and float away.

That's what people on this thread mean when they say that this writer's prejudices invalidate his points. They mean that all his attacks on libertarianism are founded upon the premise that his socialism leads him to hold different objective standards of good and bad than most Americans would. That means that any defense of libertarianism aimed at this article would perforce turn into an attack on socialism: and probably most of the people on this thread already agree that socialism is bad. Therefore, such an argument is a pointless waste of time.

If you disagree with me, please pick out what you think is his absolute best criticism of libertarians, and I'll have it out with you, and you'll see what I mean.

153 posted on 02/01/2002 11:33:15 AM PST by Barak
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To: The Green Goblin
Hmmm... somebody ought to post this article (or a link; they don't seem to be set up for long articles) on the DUmpster.... heh, heh, heh....
154 posted on 02/01/2002 11:33:52 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Benson_Carter
Benson, the only person to do so has been steve. Everyone else has said, essentially 'commie!'. My 'debating skills' are not 'weak' because I'm not debating. I'm just waiting for someone to refute the author's points about Libertarians and nobody but steve has done so.
155 posted on 02/01/2002 11:34:10 AM PST by Exnihilo
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To: Dakmar
I know you don't like libertarians, but please tell me you don't agree with the author. This whole article is nothing but anti-capitalist bolshie hog manure

As soon as you all(Libertarians) disagree with the ACLU.

156 posted on 02/01/2002 11:34:21 AM PST by Dane
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To: NittanyLion
So tell us, what do YOU believe the legitimate role of government to be? Or are you just going to post mindless blather, then ignore the 8 people who have refuted it in favor of those who've called the writer a communist?
157 posted on 02/01/2002 11:35:16 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Exnihilo
"...welfare only for the mentally...handicapped."

Good news---you'll qualify, Mr DU disruptor.

158 posted on 02/01/2002 11:35:25 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Barak
But that view is only possible in that context.

And would not the opposing view only be possible in the Libertarian context? I think the question is better asked, why is one person's context better than another's and what gives the Libertarians the right to decide?
159 posted on 02/01/2002 11:35:36 AM PST by Exnihilo
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To: Exnihilo
But, as the Californian electricity crisis showed, if the experiment fails, its supporters will simply claim that it was not sufficiently neoliberal or libertarian. So even the evidence for the instrumental claims of libertarians is a matter of interpretation and preference: it would be futile to use it as a basis for discussion.

Oh, come on! Even conservatives and honest leftists will tell you that there was nothing libertarian about the California "deregulation" of the electric companies. To even call it "deregulation" was a horribly Clintonian murdering of the word's definition.

160 posted on 02/01/2002 11:35:42 AM PST by The Green Goblin
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