Very well.
Posted on 02/01/2002 10:21:47 AM PST by Exnihilo
Because to do so is illogical. The use of the term injustice requires a definition of justice. It's inappropriate to qualify an outcome w/o knowing what the qualification refers to in the first place. Economic outcomes depend on the contracts made between the parties involved. Libertarians require that coercion be absent as a motivating force in the creation of the contract and operation toword outcome. If it's required to be absent from the beginning, the resultant economic outcome wasn't a result of coercion.
" Reality:
libertarians demand that the individual accept the outcome of market forces"
That's called individual responsibility. To force the consequences of the outcome of individuals actions on others is evil. It amounts to unwarrnanted coercion.
" Reality:
some form of libertarian government, imposing libertarian policies on non-libertarians
Libertarians don't coerce policies. Libertarians insist that individuals have certain rights that are inviolate. They protect life and sovereignty of will. The coerce nothing, but the protection of those rights. That means that authoritarian dictates are forbidden. If other folks wish to be subject to authoritarian dictates, by their own decision, they are welcome to do so.
" Reality:
libertarians use the political process in existing states to implement their policies
Libertarians are peaceful folks that refrain from violence, until the level of tyrany becomes unbearable. They otherwise do what they can to peaceably assert their rights.
" Reality:
libertarians claim the right to decide for others, what constitutes a 'benefit'
Nonsense they do no such thing. Folks have the right to determine what they consider a benefit.
I just finished looking at a sample. All I can find is rabid libertarian baiting. Can you point me to a substantive post you've made? Certainly that link will not be to this thread.
Post 23 “His points about the inconsistancies of Libertarianism are exactly right.”
Post 26 “Then start by refuting the author's points which demonstrate repeated inconsistancies in Libertarian thinking.”
Post 43 “I find it interesting that you refuse to address any of the author's points, but instead point out what "side" he is on, as if that automatically invalidates his points. That's what I call a short-cut to thinking.”
Post 47 “I posted it for his points on Libertarianism, not his personal opinions on other matters. I wish you guys would refute his points about Libertarians..”
Post 62 “LOL! He makes specific points about Libertarians that are based in a simple observation of Libertarian rhetoric. I am getting a kick out of this..”
Post 68 “No, I don't. I selected it for the author's points on Libertarianism. Those points have yet to be refuted, except for someone to say "he's a commie!". That is not an argument.”
Post 73 “Explain why his specific statements about the contradictory nature of libertarian philosophy is wrong using libertarian philosophy! It should be easy, right?”
Post 91 “He doesn't incorporate socialism into his conclusions about Libertarians!…... Now, why is he wrong? Just refute him!”
Post 129 “Benson, I never claimed that the author's arguments are my arguments. I found his statements interesting, and I posted them.”
Post 133 “Dagny, you are aware that I didn't write the article right?”
Post 151 OWK, why do you feel that I'm back peddaling?
Hilarious.
Based on this thread and the historical posts I've found, I already have.
Your support for Person B is grounded upon your mutual agreement that the State should have the Powers it requires for Policy X. You may personally oppose Policy X, but that is only because you want the Power for your own objectives... not because you really disagree with Person B on State having the Power in the first place. On the point of State having the Power you both require for your own objectives, you and the Communists you find so "illuminating" are bosom buddies.
I'm married. Several years ago, I gave Mrs. Bustard a shotgun for a Valentine's Day present. She really liked that.
As for the resume, in my case IEEE is probably a more useful entry. But if Mensa does it for you, great!
AB
I doubt it, but you're the one who told me to draw my own conclusions. No need to get so defensive, even though you've been outed as a libertarian-baiter rather than a thoughtful poster.
Right. No matter what arguments are presented, it is your rigid and determined intent to continue sitting threr and drooling, "but, uh, libertarianism is bad....".
You pride yourself on having the mental acuity of granite, exactly as I suggested.
Well put.
ROFL. If you mean the libertarian philosophy is directly opposed to the communist ravings you posted, than I guess you've exposed us all.
Very well.
Of course not! It is possible, even unavoidable, in any context that accepts the concept of individual property rights. You accept that concept, don't you? Then you can't sanely argue that libertarians are trying to force their views on anyone.
I think the question is better asked, why is one person's context better than another's and what gives the Libertarians the right to decide?
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, because I'm a nice libertarian boy and that's the kind of people we are. But the more I see you write, the more I agree with the folks on this list who think you haven't actually read the piece for yourself: you don't like libertarians, so you found a long anti-libertarian article and posted it, and now you're (as OWK said) backpedaling furiously trying not to lose your credibility.
In an argument between libertarians and conservatives, the pro-property-rights context is better than the anti-property-rights context because it's one that libertarians and conservatives share, not one that is foreign to them. With all due respect, this ought to be obvious to anyone with the intelligence God gave a grape.
It'd probably be best at this point to cut your losses and withdraw. You're only going to look sillier and sillier if you don't.
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