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Federal Work Force Mirrors Demographic Makeup of America - Except When It Comes to Hispanics
AP ^ | Feb 2, 2002 | Genaro C. Armas

Posted on 02/02/2002 9:37:09 AM PST by greydog

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1 posted on 02/02/2002 9:37:09 AM PST by greydog
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This groups make up 13 percent of the population and 11 percent of the private sector work force. But Hispanics account for just 7 percent of the federal payroll.

What percentage is either on welfare or illegally here in the USA?

2 posted on 02/02/2002 9:43:02 AM PST by ikka
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To: greydog
Ok, first of all, even without reading the article, logically speaking it is possible to tell that the title alone is a lie.

It is mathematically impossible for the makeup of the federal workforce to "mirror" the demographics of America, for All Races Except One. If it fails to "mirror" one race (in this case, Hispanics), then (automatically) it must also fail to "mirror" some other race, to make up for it. Hispanics simply cannot be underrepresented without some other race being overrepresented.

Now, to the article:

This groups make up 13 percent of the population ... But Hispanics account for just 7 percent of the federal payroll.

Ok so Hispanics are "underrepresented" in the federal work force by about 6 percent.

Later:

Blacks are the largest minority in the federal work force - 17 percent of employees in 2000, .... more than 12 percent of the total population.

Aha. Which just about explains it, I think.

So presumably in the fedgov's "efforts" to hire more Hispanics, this will go hand in hand with efforts to hire less blacks. Right?

After all, the headline just as easily could have been, "Federal work force has too many blacks to mirror America". What a mystery that they did not select that title. ;)

3 posted on 02/02/2002 9:47:33 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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Hopefully whoever they hire they can speak English. I don't know how many times I've called a government agency and I couldn't understand the person I was talking to. Their English was so broken I had to ask for another employee. Are federal jobs ones "Americans don't want to do" also. I thought it was just the lettuce pickers?
4 posted on 02/02/2002 9:48:12 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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5 posted on 02/02/2002 9:50:20 AM PST by greydog
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What happened to the word MERIT, i.e. ability to do the job? What happens to the better qualified candidates? Why not base the hiring on TAXES PAID by ethnicity?

This country now has a huge diversity that are no longer interested in becoming Americans. Let the hiring be based on the applicants ability and being an American. Looks like the REPS are for the Hisps and the Dems are for the rest of those who want a job with out ability.

6 posted on 02/02/2002 9:51:12 AM PST by Henchman
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"What percentage is either on welfare or illegally here in the USA?"

That comment is very insulting. You do a great injustice to both Reagan and conservatives.

7 posted on 02/02/2002 9:52:34 AM PST by mgist
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What percentage is either on welfare or illegally here in the USA?

Being on welfare is no impediment to being hired as a federal worker, but being a non-citizen, especially an illegal, is. What the article does not say is what fraction of the total Hispanic population that 5 million represents. It's the eligible fraction that counts. Another factor is education, most federal jobs require at least a high school education, and many require more than that. What needs to be compared to decide if Hispanics, or any other group, is "fairly" represented in the Federal workforce is the per cent of eligibles to the per cent in the work force. I suspect by that standard minorites, at least the principle ones, are actually over represented in the federal workforce.

8 posted on 02/02/2002 9:53:55 AM PST by El Gato
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To: mgist
You got me mixed up with post #2.
9 posted on 02/02/2002 9:54:03 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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I believe I have seen reports whereby blacks who do work ultimately nearly 40% or so are employed by either Federal, State, or Local government.
10 posted on 02/02/2002 9:54:51 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Dr. Frank
So presumably in the fedgov's "efforts" to hire more Hispanics, this will go hand in hand with efforts to hire less blacks. Right?

Of course, we all know the answer to that question.

Straight white males are the only group these activists are interested in seeing "terminated". These are the people they claim are "over-represented."

Its sad how few people know the actual demographic numbers for the United States. I bet not one in ten know that, as of the 2000 census, this country is still 75% white.

11 posted on 02/02/2002 9:55:52 AM PST by 07055
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What happens to the better qualified candidates? Why not base the hiring on TAXES PAID by ethnicity

That would not work, those who pay the majority of the taxes wouldn't touch federal jobs with a 10 foot pole. They all are in the private sector. We need them there because they also create jobs for the many of the rest of us.

12 posted on 02/02/2002 9:57:32 AM PST by El Gato
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"I believe I have seen reports whereby blacks who do work ultimately nearly 40% or so are employed by either Federal, State, or Local government."

I think I am starting to see why blacks and hispanics tend to vote Democratic.

13 posted on 02/02/2002 9:58:38 AM PST by mgist
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To: greydog
Are these proportions true in the Miami/San Antonio area? It would seem that blacks are OVERREPRESENTED, until one remembers how many federal workers are in the Washington area, and that federal workers are recuited regionally.
14 posted on 02/02/2002 9:59:57 AM PST by RobbyS
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not to mention that many Cubans and South Americans don't very well like being considered "non-white".....and their voting records mimic Non-Latino white conservatives.......

Man....all this obsession with diversity and fairness about makes me puke. It ain't working. It's demonizing the folks who carry the water around here and it's making folks dependent and hence contemptuous.....but we seem determined to stay the course on this hell bound train.

15 posted on 02/02/2002 10:00:13 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: mgist
"What percentage is either on welfare or illegally here in the USA?"

You attributed that quote to me, but it was made by ikka.

Though I am curious as to how you feel that's insulting to Reagan and conservatives?

16 posted on 02/02/2002 10:02:58 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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blacks frequently like to work for the government, it's an employer of choice more so than for other groups. The marxists in California have tried to impose very strict quotas on hiring for state agencies and these strict quotas have led to limits on the numbers of blacks that can be hired for government jobs.

I don't think this article included the military in its statistics. The military I believe is very much disproportionately white.

17 posted on 02/02/2002 10:04:39 AM PST by Red Jones
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So presumably in the fedgov's "efforts" to hire more Hispanics, this will go hand in hand with efforts to hire less blacks. Right?

No. It will be at the expense of white straight males.

18 posted on 02/02/2002 10:05:53 AM PST by Keyes For President
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To: greydog
Forget the Hispanics matter, what company would want the non-productivity of the federal workforce?

If Hillary had her way, we'd be under the burden of national health care ... waiting in line.

The line you wait in at the post office is an exact example. In some instances, because people are actually trying to help and get work done, the line will be short, and the work, efficient. But for the most part, there will be lines for dentisty, for teath cleaning, for pharaceuticals, for getting gas, for buying food, for just about everything including the outhouse.

Cynics may say that, "Well, there are already lines." But they will not, as usual, have addressed that randomness in the face of the KNOWN lines which are the bane of socialist "enterprises."

The federal government workforce DOES NOT reflect the private sector nor the country, in many respects.

19 posted on 02/02/2002 10:06:19 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: wardaddy
If it is important that the Federal Gov mirror the constituency, then how many Republicans are there in the Federal Gov?
20 posted on 02/02/2002 10:06:48 AM PST by darvon
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