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Is Bush's "Volunteer" plan a siren call to mandatory service?
Orange County Register ^ | 3 February 2002 | Editorial staff, Orange County Register

Posted on 02/03/2002 2:03:07 PM PST by thinktwice

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:05:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

President Bush's announcement that he has formed the USA Freedom Corps to be an umbrella for AmeriCorps, the Senior Corps, the Peace Corps and the newly formed Citizen Corps (to help with homeland security) has already convinced some long-time advocates of mandatory national service that their day has come.


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The "UNSPIN" section on page 1 of the 3 Feb. Register Commentary section further states ...

"When President Bush discussed a USA Freedom Corps during his State of the Union address, many assumed it was the usual call for more volunteerism.

"But the president's plans are more ambitious -- and maybe ominous.

"When Republiscans took Congress in 1994 they tried briefly to eliminate Clinton's Americorps, the latest effort to channel the healthy American spirit of volunteering into service to the state.

"Now President Bush is calling for 200,000 new "volunteers" to beef up 40,000 full-time paid "volunteers" in Americorps and 500,000 part-time volunteers in the Senior Corps. Freedom Corps already has a 33-page policy statement and wants $560 million.

"Volunteering implies choosing whom to serve. The president wants government to choose for us.

"Can calls for a mandatory 'bullets or bedpans' national service corps be far behind?"

1 posted on 02/03/2002 2:03:07 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice
"mandatory service"

No matter how it's phrased it's still slavery to the State.

In my opinion an implementation of 'mandatory service' would rise to the level of the phrase “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”

2 posted on 02/03/2002 2:09:37 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: thinktwice
More likely, a descent into fascism is not far behind.

What the heck has happened to civil liberties around here?

What about the "right to be left alone"?

3 posted on 02/03/2002 2:10:48 PM PST by Vladiator
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To: Vladiator
I took this as a reminder that freedom comes with responsibility. "We the people" are in charge of this country but most act as absentee landlords. You will treat your country with pride if you work to make it better. Think of it as a remodel job on your house. They harder you work the more you appreciate it when it is complete. Or if you own a house like me you just keep remodeling and remodeling....
4 posted on 02/03/2002 2:22:58 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy
Yes, but when the Government starts telling you how to "volunteer," it's time to get scared.
5 posted on 02/03/2002 2:25:42 PM PST by Vladiator
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To: Dutch Boy
Reminds me of what the Mormons do. I've always thought it would be good for American kids to do something between high school and college. Like, grow up!
6 posted on 02/03/2002 2:27:12 PM PST by lonestar
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To: thinktwice
This crap has been around since the early 1980s. And I distinctly remember, back then, various ultraliberal columnists and celebrities burbling about how such compulsory service (and that IS the phrase used back in those more honest days) would "bring the country together". How would it do that? By requiring young, middle class white kids to go down into the ghettos, barrios, and housing projects and serve those communities. Cops will only go into those areas armed and in pairs (or groups) and the wealthy were salivating over the prospect of sending young, unarmed, naive white kids there. While I don't think GWB's motives are necessarily the same as those of the people who supported it back then, I've wondered ever since what's really behind national service schemes. At the very least, a desire to make us believe that we are state property, and can be made to give up our time to the state as the PTB see fit, must be high up there.

The idea of national service being made compulsory ties in nicely with "school to work" programs, whereby the elites will decide what classes children take, what they will major in, and what careers they will be allowed to train for. Molding freeborn human beings into corporate "human resources"...just what schools should do, right????

7 posted on 02/03/2002 2:37:07 PM PST by kaylar
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To: kaylar
The Clintons, along with Colin Powell, started pushing this. Now we have schools with mandatory community service. We are not citizens anymore, we are subjects. The government is supposed to serve the people. The people aren't supposed to serve the government.
8 posted on 02/03/2002 2:46:55 PM PST by bettina0
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To: kaylar
Yes, you're right. Everything is done with great thought and done in an incremental manner. School-to-work and compulsory community service are conditioning students to think that the government is here to be served.
10 posted on 02/03/2002 2:49:34 PM PST by bettina0
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To: thinktwice
So far, it's been the leftist press, putting the image of "compulsory service" in everyone's minds, stirring things up. I didn't hear the President say it.
11 posted on 02/03/2002 2:50:16 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
Bush suggested that we do some volunteer work. Some of you are seriously overreacting.
13 posted on 02/03/2002 3:04:05 PM PST by alnick
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To: kaylar
I wrote this 2.5 years ago.

Why Teaneck Should Not Institute Mandatory Volunteerism

by Ziva

[Note: This was published in a local paper as a letter-to-the-editor.]

Teaneck High School recently announced plans to make "public service" a requirement for graduation from high school. I strongly object to this action. Besides being an unwarranted infringement on the lives of students, it would also discourage true future voluntarism.

What is public service in high school? Is it the kind of work that people do voluntarily for no compensation? By providing high school credit and making it a requirement for graduation, the student would actually be receiving something of value. The student would then not be volunteering for its own sake but rather to receive her already-earned high school diploma.

Or is public service the kind of social work which is often paid for? Then the student is in a state of involuntary servitude. His labor is forcibly being taken from him, and he is also not paid. The government does not have the right to extract uncompensated work from people, regardless of how noble the goals may be. Another consequence is that other people may be deprived of paid work, possibly workfare. Do we really want to take entry-level paid jobs away from people trying to get off welfare?

What constitutes public service?  Is it picking up trash in the park, filing papers for an advocacy group, or working in the office of a congressional candidate? These are all examples of public service for high school students. Why are these activities any better for students than working after school for money, getting tutored, or participating in a school play?  Why can the school require the first type of work, while allowing students to select (or volunteer) for the others?

The school cannot require students to attend after-school clubs, many of which do perform useful work. If a student cannot be compelled to write for the school newspaper or photograph football games or be a Big Brother, why should they be compelled to perform any other kind of work in the interest of "public service?"

Who determines what is is acceptable public service? Much of public service has political overtones. It has been shown at the college level that teachers often inject their own political agenda into the classroom, penalizing students who do not share the teacher's outlook. How much more vulnerable are high school students to such manipulation!

One safe way to minimize the politically coercive element of "public service" is to let parents choose the school they want for their children. That way, the parents' values and the school's values are more likely to be aligned. School choice puts parents in control of the educational influences for their children.

Voluntarism is certainly an honorable, compassionate, important and often fulfilling activity. Sometimes it can even provide useful experience. These values are severely compromised when voluntarism is no longer voluntary. Mandatory "volunteerism" is truly a self-evident contradiction.

It can even be counter-productive. The ostensible reason given for requiring public service from high school students is to encourage future volunteer activity. If the social engineers want the students to volunteer years after high school, this approach often backfires. That is, compulsion has been demonstrated to drive away the very people it was supposed to attract.

Doug Bandow of the Cato Institute says "there may be no better evidence of the imperialist tendencies of politicians than their attempt to take the voluntary out of voluntarism. People should serve those around them. But they should do so because they believe it to be right, not because the government pays or makes them do so."

There is an option available to fulfill the goal of encouraging public service among students. Colleges have a fraternal service organization called Alpha Phi Omega. It is essentially a student-run self-selected Good Samaritan club. Why not extend the concept to the high school level?

In fact, there are currently a number of clubs at Teaneck High School that do perform certain types of public service on a strictly voluntary basis. If students wish to create other service opportunities, I am certain the school would support them.

In addition, Senior Service is a voluntary activity available to successful seniors. Because it is voluntary and does not detract from education, it is another example of a more reasonable approach to encouraging service.

Mandatory volunteerism, however, just diverts valuable school resources to support an ineffective educational fad. Neither Teaneck nor any other municipality should be a part of it.

 

14 posted on 02/03/2002 3:04:46 PM PST by Ziva
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To: Ziva
Great essay! The only reason that I can see for requiring students to do community service for their diplomas is to teach them that they are state property. I can see a slippery slope forming : It'll start out as 2 weeks for your diploma, and it'll slowly turn into two years (or more) service to the state. Another depression, and we'll probably see our fellow citizens demand the return of the CCC .

I wonder how long before one will not be allowed to earn a GED without some kind of unpaid community service? I'll bet they'll try to close off that escape avenue, if enough young people try to use it .

15 posted on 02/03/2002 4:18:51 PM PST by kaylar
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To: thinktwice
Why do I have a feeling that the people who run these "volunteer" programs wouldn't consider my volunteer work -- serving on the board of a crisis pregnancy center, teaching Sunday School, and teaching English to international students -- their kind of volunteer work?

I have a strange feeling that only PC, leftist volunteer work would "count" to these folks.

16 posted on 02/03/2002 4:26:20 PM PST by The Energizer
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To: Ziva
Ziva: Does Teaneck High School have mandatory community service today?
17 posted on 02/03/2002 4:31:47 PM PST by bettina0
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To: The Energizer
That's right. No church-sponsored volunteer activities.
18 posted on 02/03/2002 4:36:05 PM PST by bettina0
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To: kaylar
Help me get this straight. The president wants hard working citizens with a paycheck who pay taxes, to go help those collecting welfare and further living off the system. Hmmmm........me thinks me gave at the office.
19 posted on 02/03/2002 4:49:48 PM PST by chouli
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To: alnick
"Bush suggested that we do some volunteer work. Some of you are seriously overreacting."

You're right-on on this one. These alarmists make me laugh. I bet half of them don't even remember their mother's birthday or Mother's Day even.

20 posted on 02/03/2002 4:52:04 PM PST by mass55th
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