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1 posted on 02/18/2002 2:19:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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Very good article. It should be required reading in all high school history classes, not to mention colleges.

But don't hold your breath this sham will be uncovered and rectified. Too many people have too much at stake in the deception to allow that to happen.

48 posted on 02/18/2002 3:25:38 PM PST by Gritty
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and clinton went to a conference of christians and said to them in a provocative way that hitler was a christian, that was extremely offensive for a president of the US to do that.
52 posted on 02/18/2002 3:29:01 PM PST by Red Jones
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State control, re-distribution of wealth, socialism with the state as the controller in all things, is ALWAYS leftist. The nazi's were the extreme leftists of the era, who capitalized on tough times by energizing the laborers (hitler started the laborers/workers party union) in gatherings at local pubs, reintroducing local/ patriotic songs, and slowly building up a base of those who agreed that a purer, tightly held GE was the answer.

The nazi's are the left wings dream team. Total state control-cradle to grave.

I know that if anyone were to ask hillary clinton if she thought a national work force uniform would be a good idea, she would probably laugh it off with some difficulty because I know, as sure as I know this woman is a marxist thru and thru, that she would LOVE to see this nation in a standard uniform, happy little worker bees dancing for their queen (oh yeah....yeah baby....for sure!).

Hillary, ya know, likes things, ya know, equal. Ya know. Like, REALLY EQUAL. Ya know, except, ya know, well, when it comes to, ya know, herself. Then stealing state items is ok because, ya know, she is, ya know, WORTH IT! Ya know?

59 posted on 02/18/2002 3:36:34 PM PST by Republic
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The Nazis were leftists and socialists: a point that should be made again and again, and which has been made most consistently and forcefully by Germanic men of the right like Hayek---in fact, it was a point Hayek repeatedly made in "Road to Serfdom," written and published in the midst of the war against Nazi Germany.
71 posted on 02/18/2002 3:56:29 PM PST by Map Kernow
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Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an invention of hardline Communist Benito Mussolini. During World War I, Mussolini recognized that conventional socialism wasn't working. He saw that nationalism exerted a stronger pull on the working class than proletarian brotherhood. He also saw that the ferocious opposition of large corporations made socialist revolution difficult. So in 1919, Mussolini came up with an alternative strategy. He called it Fascism. Mussolini described his new movement as a ``Third Way'' between capitalism and communism. As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.
A generation ago the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal published a translation of a speech by Benito Mussolini (of a generation earllier, of course). There was nothing in it for a conservative American to like, nor anything for a "sixties" radical to dislike.

That "third way" line is a rich irony, of course; the true "third way"--between stultifying "socialism" on the one hand and "rapacious capitalism" as described by Marx on the other is real, existing capitalism regulated by the government of a democratic republic.

"Socialism" belongs in quotes because it is deceptive labeling in the sense that a free economy is the truly social process--"socialism" would more truthfully be styled "governmentism." Let whoso doubts that challenge the socialist who says "society should" how the meaning of the word "society" differs in his usage from the word "government." The truthful answer will be, "not at all."

The "socialist" would subsume society into government--instant tyranny, you don't even have to add water.

74 posted on 02/18/2002 4:00:48 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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"Capitalism" and "Communism" are economic terms. "Fascism" and "Nationalism" are political. They may generally be related, but it is my opinion that Hitler did not understand economics but did understand politics -- especially politics of power.

He saw the Jews as both, the blood-sucking capitalists and as the movers behind the evil communism which wanted to rob the Germans of their national identity. Having identified an enemy and demonized them, it was easier to garner -- in the name of remedying the situation -- the power he lusted for.

Fascism is the political structure which concentrates power into one branch of government. Hitler and Mussolini did this, and so did Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro -- and all dictators of the "Left" and "Right."

The Left likes to pretend this is a right-wing thing, because it makes the unthinking believe that they are opposed it. As the article points out, they are actually one and the same: not in the economic form they profess, but in the political power they assume over it.

75 posted on 02/18/2002 4:05:39 PM PST by LantzALot
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Great discussion of a very important subject. It's a good article, but I don't buy everything in it. Asclepius is correct that the claim that Marx's On The Jewish Question inspired the death camps does not stand up to scrutiny. I have read a fair amount of historical sources about the Nazis, and I have some trouble with this assertion of Poe's:

They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics.

OK, they denounced Christians as right-wing dupes and fanatics all right, and they clashed with Christians over euthanasia (part of the Nazi agenda that leftists are pushing hard today), but I'm unaware of them "encouraging pornograhy, illegitimacy, and abortion". Can anyone enlighten me on this?

84 posted on 02/18/2002 4:54:47 PM PST by TheMole
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Great discussion of a very important subject. It's a good article, but I don't buy everything in it. Asclepius is correct that the claim that Marx's On The Jewish Question inspired the death camps does not stand up to scrutiny. I have read a fair amount of historical sources about the Nazis, and I have some trouble with this assertion of Poe's:

They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics.

OK, they denounced Christians as right-wing dupes and fanatics all right, and they clashed with Christians over euthanasia (part of the Nazi agenda that leftists are pushing hard today), but I'm unaware of them "encouraging pornograhy, illegitimacy, and abortion". Can anyone enlighten me on this?

85 posted on 02/18/2002 4:55:13 PM PST by TheMole
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They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics.

Interesting post, but you go a bit overboard. The NAZIs were less pornographic than the Weimar Republic they replaced. The NAZIs were usually nominally Christian, though their real religion was NAZIism.

89 posted on 02/18/2002 5:40:39 PM PST by Hagrid
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Read your history, people. Its all there in black and white, just read your history!
116 posted on 02/19/2002 3:39:42 PM PST by DonPaulJones
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There's just too much confusion here. Let's cut to the quick. The Nazis (socialists) and Communists (pick the country) are left-wingers. They are the bad guys. They are loved by American left-wing press. Capitalists are the conservative right-wingers. We are hated by the left-wing press. Capitalism is what America is all about. It is why people from other nations risk their lives to come here. We are the good guys. We stand for the Constitution and freedom. It is that simple.
129 posted on 02/20/2002 2:24:20 PM PST by Temple Owl
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I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!
133 posted on 02/20/2002 3:03:31 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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Ping for the sea of poorly educated and incompetent researchers in the journalistic profession.
145 posted on 05/01/2002 5:51:37 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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The few times I have advanced this idea of the Nazi's being the German party of the leftist socialists here in FR I have been shouted down and shown the errors of my thinking.
This Article makes my heart sing.
152 posted on 08/12/2002 2:32:49 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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So many lefties are using the Nazi namecalling these days it deserves a reposting of this article.
158 posted on 02/04/2003 12:06:43 PM PST by finnman69
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162 posted on 08/03/2004 7:12:02 PM PDT by Cacique
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I’m glad that this article is making clear that the Nazis and Commies, contrary to popular belief, actually ARE part of the same coin, or political spectrum, in this case (heck, Sartre during that time was a member of the Nazi Party in all but name, and even implied he thought Nazi-controlled France was more liberating than Liberated France, and this was the guy who alongside Simone de Beauvoir was hailed as a war hero and part of the French Resistance). And I might as well add in that just because Hitler persecuted Communists doesn’t mean he himself wasn’t a Communist. Remember, Stalin managed to persecute several of his fellow communists, including arranging for the assassination of Leon Trotsky (who if you ask me more than deserved that icepick for just how much of a sick man he was), and would anyone doubt that he was a communist because of it? Heck no! In fact, Stalin even planned to orchestrate his OWN extermination of Jews, the Doctor’s Plot. Obviously, that got canned after his death and Khrushchev had enough wisdom in his otherwise similarly mad mind to not go through with it.

That being said... I’m more concerned about how the French Revolution’s ties to both the Nazis and the Communists are even LESS stated than the ties between Nazism and Communism, so I really think we need to have more focus on that area. Most people would think that the French Revolution is no different than the American Revolution, and that it was the best thing since sliced bread (I can verify this from my own personal experience in school). Think of it like saying the Nazis were right-wing, only in THIS particular case, it’s painted in a positive light rather than a negative light. Yet, it was the French Revolution that acted as the progenitor of the Communists, and by extension, the Nazis. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in their correspondences, and even speeches in the former’s case, made it VERY clear that he wanted to reenact the year 1793 once they took the helm, and in a threatening letter to the king of Prussia at the time, he even implied he wanted to make his reenactment of the year 1793 to be even MORE bloody than the original version (note, the year 1793 was a reference to Robespierre’s infamous Reign of Terror). And if you’ve read Demonic by Ann Coulter, you’d also realize that even BEFORE the Reign of Terror, there were several horrific acts conducted by the French Revolutionaries. Granted, people like Christopher A. Ferrara may argue that America’s founding WAS like the French Revolution, and not in a good way, and he has made a LOT of convincing arguments on that front, but still...

Anyways, sorry if this was a late post, but long and the short is, I agree, though it does need its improvements.


163 posted on 06/05/2016 4:05:28 AM PDT by otness_e
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164 posted on 06/05/2016 4:15:54 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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