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To: John O
Since when is marriage about sex?

If human beings didn’t have sex, there would be no such thing as marriage.

the one phrase that always comes to mind when talking to you is "There is none so blind as he which refuses to see"

I try very hard to be objective. If you believe I’m being deceptive, there’s little I can do to dissuade you.

There are thousands of cases where reparative therapy has worked. Even if there was only one, reparative therapy works. try recognizing truth once, you may like it.

And here’s how to do that: Take a group of gay men and measure their levels of homosexual and heterosexual attraction using a consistent and reliable mechanism. Subject them in a controlled manner to reparative therapy for a given amount of time. Then measure their heterosexual and homosexual attractions again. If a statistically significant increase in heterosexual attraction were noted, I would gladly recount my objections. NARTH is unwilling or unable to do this.

Please stop substituting personal desire for truth.

99 posted on 02/28/2002 6:35:19 AM PST by Gerfang
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To: Gerfang
And here’s how to do that

Take a SAD. Send him through reparative therapy, see if he can live a fulfilled normal life.

From your own postings on this thread, (which you have never disputed) the cured SAD feels content and fulfilled after sex with his wife. He lives a fulfilled normal life.

Seems that by your own postings you prove that reparative therapy works.

SAD is not just about sex. And reparative therapy doesn't deal just with sexual desires. The key is correcting the defect that underlies the sexual desires. When this defect is cured the condition can be cured.

Lets look at it another way for just an instant.

I really love cheese cake. I'd eat cheese cake every day for every meal if I could. I've always loved cheese cake. This does not make me any different from anyone else. My desire for cheese cake does not define who I am. It is merely something I choose to do.

Now if I ate cheese cake to the uncontrolled abandon that I'd like to I would quickly weigh several tons which would be unhealthy for me and for all those around me.

I can, however, train myself to like sugar free apple pie just as much as cheese cake and live a perfectly dessert fulfilled life. (happens all the time both in babies and in diabetics, desires are remarkably malleable)

I have the ability to be cured of my cheese cake desire, I just have to admit that I can be cured.

Like most SADs and SAD enablers you refuse to even admit the possibility of a cure even when one is proven effective. You do have the right to live in ignorance, but you do not have the right to stop others from becoming free of this plague. Why do you insist on trying to keep them trapped in this sickness?

GSA(P)

103 posted on 02/28/2002 7:26:48 AM PST by John O
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