Posted on 02/22/2002 6:17:19 AM PST by ArGee
Well, you know by now that he's only suspended. And, while I might be tempted to take insult and never return, I hope our friend Khepera does come back after the suspension and roll up his sleeves and get to work. Despite his tongue-in-cheek post to me at the beginning of this thread, he is one of the better soldiers against the army of perverts on FR and we need him.
Shalom.
OW! OW! OW! You hurt my brain.
Shalom.
Q. Remember, the devil did not make ten percent of our population left handed nor ten percent gay. It was our God in heaven who created man. Perhaps Gods image includes the capacity to love and tolerate.
A. God made man in His own image. God does not have SAD. (in fact God sees the practice of homosexual behavior as abomination, something so evil that those who participate in it should be killed instantly) Therefore God did not create anyone to be homosexual. Why would He create something He finds abhorrent?
God Save America (Please)
If God wants homosexuals to be killed instantly, then why doesn't he kill them? Or are you perhaps suggesting that God wants his followers to kill them for him?
Therefore God did not create anyone to be homosexual. Why would He create something He finds abhorrent?
Didn't God create Mao Tse Tung, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Josef Stalin, and Osama bin Laden?
It would seem your line of reasoning is faulty here.
If God wants homosexuals to be killed instantly, then why doesn't he kill them? Or are you perhaps suggesting that God wants his followers to kill them for him?
All through history God delivered the law and expected his people to live it and enforce it. His role in punishing the law-breaker happens after death.
While the command to kill the law-breaker is not enforced after New Testament days (Thank you, God, for mercy) God's disgust at the behavior is still the same.
Didn't God create Mao Tse Tung, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Josef Stalin, and Osama bin Laden?
Excellent examples!! (thank you.) God created these people, just has He created those who would become infected with SAD. He did not however, twist them into the things they became, just as He does not infect people with SAD. Man through his rebellion and pride brought these diseases upon himself. The hitlers of the world arise not because of God but because man tries to elevate himself above God.
Adolf Hitler as a baby was just as cute and lovable as any other baby. He was not born evil. Somewhere along the line though he was damaged by his contact with this evil (just as young boys are damaged by their contact with SADs) and grew to become the twisted person we know as the tyrant Adolf Hitler.
All tyrants are atheists. A Christian cannot be a tyrant as a Christian KNOWS that there is One mightier than him and that the true Mighty One will require him to be accountable for his actions.
It would seem your line of reasoning is faulty here.
It would seem that while you may be 'one who knows' you are still not 'one who understands'
GSA(P)
Amazing.
It should be very clear that SASU (such as it is) does not advocate violence against anyone, period. The Torah did call for a theocratic state to be developed and for that theocracy to make SAD punishable by death. G-d did not intend for lynch mobs to kill SADs. He prescribed a legal system that would handle SAD just like it handled anything else. Not personal violence but state justice.
Nobody suggests that the United States should become a theocracy (well, at least nobody serious). But the requirement that Israel make SAD punishable by death says something about the destructiveness of that particular perversion in G-d's eyes. G-d allows evil to survive for a long time without destroying it because His desire is that the people would turn to Him. He will let them live while He can, even if they harm the ones He loves (as Hitler obviously did) to allow them every opportunity to repent and be redeemed.
Some have hardened their hearts so completely that they will no longer hear the call to repent. When that happens they become nothing more than a snare for those who can be redeemed or those who are redeemed. In that case, G-d will "take them out" for the sake of the rest. Throughout the Bible He has rarely used this ultimate tool to protect His people, but He has done it.
Likewise, there were a few sins that demonstrated such a hard heart that the people were considered too dangerous to be left alive and G-d's people were to make these capitol offenses. They were capitol not because they were so evil, but because the sinners were so dangerous to the society around them. Murder is one such sin. SAD is another.
That reveals quite a bit about the nature of SAD.
Shalom.
So in your mind, consenting adult homosexuals are the moral equivalent of murderers?
Moral concussions suck!
you->Amazing.
Obviously you still fail to understand. Let me try again.
One of the characteristics, if not the defining characteristic of a tyrant is that he places himself above all others, including the people he rules.
One of the characteristics of a Christian is that he serves all others, including the people he may rule.
Christianity and tyranny are mutually exclusive concepts. If someone is a behaving as a tyrant then you can bet that they are not a Christian as they are violating Gods word by being a tyrant.
Try to understand what Christianity really is before you attack it next time
GSA(P)
Incorrect. The defining characteristic of a tyrant is disrespect for the rights of others.
One of the characteristics of a Christian is that he serves all others, including the people he may rule.
If someone is "ruling" others, then he's not "serving" them. And furthermore, it is absolutely impossible for a human being to place all others before himself (without dying of course)
Christianity and tyranny are mutually exclusive concepts.
I would think that history would tend to disagree with your observation..... strongly.
If someone is a behaving as a tyrant then you can bet that they are not a Christian as they are violating Gods word by being a tyrant.
Can you give me a few examples of "benevolent" (non-tyranical) Christian "rulers"?
Try to understand what Christianity really is before you attack it next time
I haven't attacked it at all. I'm simply having a frank and honest conversation (which I guess tends to bring out the worst in some).
We aren't talking about what's in my mind. We're talking about what's in the Bible.
From the perspective of the kind of harm they do, SADs are worse than murderers. Are you familiar with "The Threepenny Opera" otherwise known as "Mac the Knife?"
Shalom.
Bump!
Shalom.
It's clear that there is still a lot you don't understand.
All true rulers are servants, and the greatest of all is the greatest servant.
Shalom.
And glad to have you back.
It appears our mutual friend JMJ333 has taken a break from FR. I will miss her as well. From what I can glean, she is a little tired of the good guys getting suspended while the perverts have free reign. I tried to encourage her but did admit to her that this may not be the venue G-d is calling her too. Maybe I should have lied?
I hope we can maintain a conservative contingent on Free Republic without chasing all of them off.
Shalom.
I would think that inasmuch as you have given your endorsement to what you think the Bible instructs in this regard, We are talking about what's in your mind. And you have suggested that homosexuality among consenting adults is the moral equivalent of murder. Do you want to stand by that position?
From the perspective of the kind of harm they do, SADs are worse than murderers.
Consenting adult homosexuals are morally worse than murderers?
Do you honestly believe that?
Are you familiar with "The Threepenny Opera" otherwise known as "Mac the Knife?"
No.
Who are the perverts?
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