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Dell Proves a Bit Gun-Shy
Wired ^ | Feb. 28, 2002 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 02/28/2002 1:14:15 PM PST by the

Edited on 06/29/2004 7:08:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Dell Computers is under fire from gun aficionados after it refused to sell a laptop to a handgun maker.

The flap began when Jack Weigand, the president of the American Pistolsmiths Guild, ordered a Dell Inspiron 4100 notebook on Feb. 13, with a promised delivery date of Feb. 21. When the date came and went, Weigand phoned Dell to find out what the problem was.


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To: MississippiMan
Dell is trying to bury their financial support of HandGun Control, Inc.
HandGun Control, Inc. Online Shopping Mall
Page down to Computers and Accessories.

The people that want to take your second amendment rights away from you.

41 posted on 02/28/2002 2:07:30 PM PST by chainsaw
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To: Don Joe
"If so, I must say that your theory strains credulity."

Why does this shock you? Do you think Dell's entire order-filling system is free of human contact? That thousand-dollar orders just roll in from the internet, and robots direct the list of special-order components, then install them? And then test them? Stuff 'em into boxes, too? Dude, I have news for you: A human somewhere has to approve each and every build order, one at a time.

Talk about straining someone's credulity!

42 posted on 02/28/2002 2:08:40 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: MississippiMan
Must have been a "Manager-bot." I've heard of those in "Dilbert".
43 posted on 02/28/2002 2:09:53 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: chainsaw
Chainsaw, read my two responses already on that thread. That's nothing more than a list of affiliate links that you or I or anyone else could set up in a day. It in NO way means that those companies "support" the cause of that site. None. I explain that issue pretty well on the thread. Take a look.

MM

44 posted on 02/28/2002 2:09:56 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Don Joe
If that guy is what passes for a role model...

I weep for the future and pray for death!!

45 posted on 02/28/2002 2:12:58 PM PST by Nitro
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To: triggerhappy
No, I read that part. What I took from this was that there was confusion within the company as to whether the export control regulations did or did not apply to this transaction. That is not an unknown phenomenon in any large organization. Ultimately they seem to have concluded (1) that the regulations did not apply, or (2) that the transaction would not have violated the regulations anyhow, or (3) both. Either way, I think my conclusion is still valid. Absent some repeat of the situation or some firm evidence that it is company policy not to sell to firearms-related entities, I think a boycott is an overreaction.
46 posted on 02/28/2002 2:18:03 PM PST by blau993
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To: MississippiMan
Thank you for the reply. I apologize for my snarky tone!

(Still mad as HELL at DELL, though!)

47 posted on 02/28/2002 2:19:57 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: Cyber Liberty
Must have been a "Manager-bot." I've heard of those in "Dilbert".

No doubt. I can't seem to convince folks here that I'm all for opposing a company vocally and financially when they've shown themselves to be on the wrong side of an issue like this. I no longer buy Levi's. No more Hormel chili, thank you very much. But screw-ups do happen. If Dell was anti-gun, they would've used this media spotlight to proclaim that fact from the rooftops. What they did was admit that they screwed up and offer a free notebook to the customer. I call that going the extra mile.

MM

48 posted on 02/28/2002 2:21:31 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: blau993
What I took from this was that there was confusion within the company as to whether the export control regulations did or did not apply to this transaction.

And I've got some land to sell out in Florida.

The guys address was Pensylvania! There's nothing in the title of the company that implies anything about "export".

This is spin, big time.

49 posted on 02/28/2002 2:24:21 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
OK, one more time: Dell has to be careful of the "End User." People buy crap here all the time, then ship it out of the country. Dell, as the origianting company, would still have gotten fingered for the shipment, if they didn't make a reasonable attempt to certify the end-user. Why in the heck do you think you get all those end-user agreements when you buy this stuff?

Is it fair that the feds use a private company like Dell to do their heavy lifting? Heck no. But until we get rid of the Ted Kennedys and the Fritzie-boy Hollings, we're stuck with it.

50 posted on 02/28/2002 2:30:06 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: Cyber Liberty
"origianting " = "originating"
51 posted on 02/28/2002 2:30:48 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: MississippiMan
What they did was admit that they screwed up and offer a free notebook to the customer.

What I think they did was allow an employee to take their personal prejeduces to work and cancel an order because they're an anti-gun zealot. They're now spinning big time, trying to come up with an excuse.

They need to be made an "example", in order to demonstrate that the gun people are politically powerful simply because of their numbers, organization, and passion.

If such "examples" aren't made, then we eventually loose everything.

52 posted on 02/28/2002 2:30:52 PM PST by narby
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To: MississippiMan
MM - you must be working overtime for Handgun Control Inc. or Dell or both.

That is Handgun Control, Inc's web site there is no way you could legally put it up unless you hadthe password etc.

I would think Dell would have them take the link down if they refused to support them.

Handgon Control, Inc. Shopping Mall

Connections to commercial websites must be made immediately from this links page for Handgun control, Inc. to receive it'share!

This tell me that Dell has given their permission to be linked by Handgun Control, Inc.

53 posted on 02/28/2002 2:35:37 PM PST by chainsaw
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To: Don Joe
Don't go overboard. Remember, "Steven" is a fictional character played by an actor (a very good one, in my opinion).

Don't shoot the help.

54 posted on 02/28/2002 2:35:43 PM PST by pabianice
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To: rface
You're welcome, dude.
55 posted on 02/28/2002 2:37:37 PM PST by What Is Ain't
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To: narby
I am worried they have gone beyond that and have created or purchased a list of gun owners compiled from public sources.
56 posted on 02/28/2002 2:40:31 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: chainsaw
MM - you must be working overtime for Handgun Control Inc. or Dell or both.

You're delusional, Chainsaw. Why don't you read over a few hundred of my posts here if you think that's the case.

You're talking about something here that you don't have the faintest understanding of. Signing up to be a Dell affiliate takes about 10 minutes if you're already a Linkshare member or a couple of days if you're not. If you don't believe me, go try it. I've set up maybe a hundred affiliate accounts in the past. How many have you set up? Inferring that a company supports some organization because their affiliate link is on a site demonstrates a total absence of understanding as to how the online affiliate business works. As I said on the other thread, I bet you I could be set up as a Dell affiliate for AHCI (Anti Handgun Control Institute) in no time at all, as well as for a jillion other online companies. Don't spout off about things of which you're ignorant.

MM

57 posted on 02/28/2002 2:42:15 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: chainsaw

58 posted on 02/28/2002 2:45:36 PM PST by archy
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To: narby
"They need to be made an "example", in order to demonstrate that the gun people are politically powerful simply because of their numbers, organization, and passion."

Right you are, but don't expect Dell to release a press release telliong us that the cog was reprimanded or sacked. So...how ya gonna know? Or are you, in absence of more facts, just going on the anti-Dell crusade that's getting such rave reviews here?

59 posted on 02/28/2002 2:47:36 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: MississippiMan
You are the authority, and you are saying that you know for a fact that Dell does not support Handgun Control, Inc.?

Prove it!

Dell Supports Handgun Control, Inc.

Why would Handgun Control put this up on their web site.
Connections to commercial websites must be made immediately from this links page for Handgun control, Inc. to receive it'share!

60 posted on 02/28/2002 3:03:40 PM PST by chainsaw
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