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To: wideawake
Now two men are dead because the government didn't know when to stop intruding in people's lives and invading their property.

You are a first class idiot. The old man let his placed go to sh*t, wouldn't take GENEROUS offers of help from anyone, pissed off his neighbors, and then pulled out a gun and murdered a cop who was woing his job well! I'm glad the bastard is dead, but I morn for the cop and his four children. You are a disgrace.

24 posted on 03/20/2002 9:43:58 AM PST by arm958
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To: arm958
The old man let his placed go to sh*t....

So letting one's own place go to sh*t should be a jailable offense?

32 posted on 03/20/2002 10:01:28 AM PST by Hard Case
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To: arm958
You are a first class idiot.

Insults are the most graceless way of admitting you've lost an argument. Don't worry, I don't consider your assessment of my intellectual acumen to have much value. No offense is taken.

The old man let his placed go to sh*t,

Which is his prerogative. Perhaps he did not have enough money to fix the damage, and decided that he, at the age of 77, would have more to gain by keeping his money rather than paying for repairs which he would only be able to enjoy for a few years anyway.

wouldn't take GENEROUS offers of help from anyone,

There is such a thing as pride. Some people when they're down on their luck refuse to take handouts from anyone. The welfare mentality had not yet eroded his sense of self-worth.

And, according to Mr. Cruz, he was mulling an offer for his property.

pissed off his neighbors,

I wonder if his neighbors had done anything to anger him. I also wonder why his property was their business.

and then pulled out a gun

He owned a gun, as is his Constitutional right, and he drew it in defense of his own home. That's the essence of liberty.

and murdered a cop

He apparently killed the policeman in self-defense. If someone came through my door with a sledgehammer, badge or not, I would defend myself, my home and my family.

who was woing his job well!

Apparently he was doing his job as well as you spell. He smashed through an elderly man's door with a sledgehammer, when a city locksmith could have gotten in much less violently and provokingly. He also entered a potentially dangerous scene without using his bulletproof vest. If he had wanted to minimize the danger, he could have waited until the old man called for a delivery, pretended to be the deliveryman and taken the old man into custody while he was distracted. Bail bondsmen do that sort of thing all the time. If that was doing his job well, I wonder at what point you would consider anything any policeman ever does to be done poorly.

I'm glad the bastard is dead,

I'm amazed that you would take joy in the death of a confused and lonely old man. That says quite a bit about you as a person.

but I morn for the cop and his four children.

I feel sorry for both men, killed for no reason because some bureaucrat couldn't let well enough alone.

You are a disgrace.

I merely advocated one thing: the Godgiven right of property. The right of a man to be secure in his own home on his own property, despite what his neighbors say or some pencil-pushing bureaucrat with his hand in my pocket says. Standing up for freedom is hardly disgraceful.

Why exactly did you join this forum? It certainly wasn't to engage anyone in a rational debate.

57 posted on 03/20/2002 10:51:35 AM PST by wideawake
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To: arm958
You are a first class idiot. The old man let his placed go to sh*t, wouldn't take GENEROUS offers of help from anyone, pissed off his neighbors, and then pulled out a gun and murdered a cop who was woing his job well! I'm glad the bastard is dead, but I morn for the cop and his four children. You are a disgrace. Another situation where if LEO's had a brain they could have staked him out and arrested him when he left his property (didn't learn much from WACO, did we?), this assume's they had "Legal" grounds to do so. Judging from the time this took place, 10PM, I question whether they even have enough brain power to order doughnuts and coffee at the same time. BTW, the disgrace here would come from those who pay homage to JBT's ( plainclothed or ninja clothed). No sir, right or wrong, day or night, you want to make your living off kicking doors in, make peace with your maker first. Blackbird.
69 posted on 03/20/2002 11:27:33 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: arm958
I morn for the cop and his four children.

He should have respected private property.

88 posted on 03/20/2002 12:09:41 PM PST by southern rock
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To: arm958
I too am dismayed that the old man wouldn't gladly accept those generous, helpful subpoenas, warrants and fines. How dare he not surrender his property rights to the "Housing Authority"! How dare he just brush off the Collective like that, hey Comrade? It makes me ill.

From now on, I recommend just pumping Zyklon-B directly down through the roof vents when a criminal such as this "property owner" refuses to comply. We try to be nice to these CATTLE and this is how they repay us?!

106 posted on 03/20/2002 12:55:33 PM PST by Melinator
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