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A way around proviso(NC Dems seek to amend Constitution to keep redistricting maps)
Raleigh News and Observer ^ | 04.24.02 | Wade Rawlins

Posted on 04/24/2002 9:42:31 AM PDT by callisto

While the state Supreme Court decides whether new legislative districts are invalid because a clause in the state constitution bars the splitting of counties, House Democratic leaders are considering amending the constitution to delete the provision.

House Speaker Jim Black, a Matthews Democrat, has been gauging support among members for putting a constitutional amendment on the ballot.

One option that Black is discussing with legislators is to ask voters to delete the whole-county provision and approve a provision requiring all legislators to be in single-member districts. If necessary, such a move could be done in a special legislative session or at the outset of the short session, which begins May 28.

"After the court rules, depending on what it rules, you'd have a number of options," said Danny Lineberry, a spokesman for Black. "One option would be if you can't do this, you can come in and change the constitution.

"Is he talking to members about it? Yes," Lineberry said. "Is he lining up votes? No."

Both Democrats and Republicans are anxiously awaiting a decision by the state Supreme Court, which heard arguments in the case earlier this month.

House Minority Leader Leo Daughtry, a Republican from Smithfield and a plaintiff in the lawsuit challenging the legislative districts, said Democrats were looking for a way to circumvent the court if necessary.

"I'm opposed to any constitutional change that would strike the whole- county provision so that Democrats could keep power," Daughtry said.

But Republicans have fared well with single-member districts and some prefer them.

"Single-member districts to my best recollection is something that Republicans have advocated for 30 years or more," said Rep. Richard Morgan, a Pinehurst Republican. "When you have single member districts, you elect more black members and you elect more Republicans."

Rep. David Miner, a Cary Republican, said members of both parties have discussed the idea of changing the constitution, although he said it was "a high-risk strategy."

"Now that filing has closed, I personally know of a lot of Republicans who are pleased that they can run in districts and be re-elected," Miner said. "A lot of people had no part in this lawsuit. It was brought by a few people. ... I believe the votes could possibly be in the house to pass a constitutional amendment."

The logistics of passing a constitutional amendment are complicated. And every day that passes makes it more difficult to do so in time to hold legislative primaries this year.

Before a referendum, weeks of lead time are required for review by the U.S. Justice Department, printing of ballots and absentee voting.

Putting a constitutional amendment before voters requires approval by a three-fifths majority in the House and Senate.

That may be simple in the Democratic-dominated state Senate. But in the House, where Democrats have a 62-58 majority, that would mean persuading at least 10 Republicans to join Democrats to get 72 votes.

A referendum would either have to be held as a special election before the primaries so legislative mapmakers could draw new districts based on the outcome of the referendum. Or, if the referendum were held at the same time as most primaries, then legislative primaries would have to delayed and held separately later.

By staff writer Wade Rawlins, who can be reached at 829-4528 or wrawlins@newsobserver.com.



TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: ncconstitution; ncdemocrats; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; redistricting

1 posted on 04/24/2002 9:42:31 AM PDT by callisto
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To: mykidsmom;Constitution Day
Have you seen this yet?
2 posted on 04/24/2002 9:43:25 AM PDT by callisto
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To: callisto
Thanks!

This is news to me.
I will ping the NC Freepers.

CD

3 posted on 04/24/2002 9:53:52 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: *Old_North_State; **North_Carolina; mykdsmom; ncweaver; ncpastor; Howlin; Pamlico; kachina...
NC DemonRAT ping.
4 posted on 04/24/2002 9:54:36 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: callisto
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if the North Carolina Constitution were to be amended deleting the requirement that counties may not be split into multiple districts (though multiple counties may make up one district), would this not only apply to the NEXT redistricting session? I'm fairly sure that for this Constitutional change to apply to the PREVIOUS session would clearly be an instance of ex-post facto law, which is illegal nationwide (according to both the Federal Constitution, and every appropriate State constitution).

Am I wrong? Or are the Dumbocrats not trying to make this ex-post facto?

:) ttt

5 posted on 04/24/2002 10:02:07 AM PDT by detsaoT
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To: detsaoT
A brief history to this is that the Dems redrew the redistricting maps for the coming election very skewed. Their disproportion was extremely obvious and they were ruled unconstitutional and the Court has to now decide whether or not the districts will remain valid in the coming election. If the districts are invalid, then the people previously selected from within these boundaries should also be invalid. At the rate this is going who knows if we'll get to vote. Anyone have any ideas how this may play out?
6 posted on 04/24/2002 10:12:55 AM PDT by callisto
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To: detsaoT
After rereading the article I think they could be able to amend the Constitution and it would be legal if done in a timely manner.
7 posted on 04/24/2002 10:15:18 AM PDT by callisto
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To: callisto
Yeah, I read this online this am.

Hopefully this won't have legs.

So now they are trying to change the law to favor them instead of just break it as usual. Typical Rats.

MKM

8 posted on 04/24/2002 10:24:30 AM PDT by mykdsmom
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To: callisto
After rereading the article I think they could be able to amend the Constitution and it would be legal if done in a timely manner.

Excellent catch - I must've glossed over the last paragraph on my way to the "Reply" button.

Still, does the North Carolina Constitution have anything to say about when changes in election law go into effect? I would think that it would be prohibited for these types of changes to go into effect until at least the next complete election cycle...

:) ttt

9 posted on 04/24/2002 10:24:36 AM PDT by detsaoT
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To: callisto
Well, that's why pencils have erasers, and citizens have weapons. Any questions??
10 posted on 04/24/2002 10:45:03 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Constitution Day
pong. Thanks for the heads up
11 posted on 04/24/2002 10:56:48 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: KQQL
fyi
12 posted on 04/24/2002 10:59:48 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: detsaoT
I only scanned the election laws but as best as I can make out the state board of elections has the power to make interim rules and regulations if it's ruled unconstitutional or invalid. I need to cross-reference the elction laws with the state Constitution. I'll post what I find out.
13 posted on 04/24/2002 11:07:57 AM PDT by callisto
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
You're welcome.
Hope you are doing well!

CD

14 posted on 04/24/2002 11:22:20 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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