California ISO Issues Stage One Power Alert!

Cal ISO ^ | 07/09/02 | Cal ISO

[goldstategop]

You haven't seen GrayDown's negative ratings. No one likes him and every one's ready to dump him. Even the Rats are not happy he's their candidate. If I were a betting man, the odds are excellent he'll be gone come November. There are the power alert warnings and there's still no state budget. I'd say GrayDown's sweating like a hog. He wishes he could get some relief and I don't really envy where he's sitting right now. Not even Garry South can help him out of the mess he's in.

[socal_parrot]

Are you inland of Santa Cruz or on the coast? 114 will kill an awful lot of banana slugs.

[Carry_Okie]

Not even Garry South can help him out of the mess he's in.

But Gerry Parsky might.

[Lazamataz]

You underestimate to what degree La Reconquista has been successful.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I wasn't sure which one applied here!

So I chose the strawberries since I figured Davis was in the corner office ,,,,

[Centurion2000]

Maybe every conservative in the blue enclaves should deliberately burn as much power as possible, just to trip rolling blackouts.

At 30 cents a KWH that can get expensive ..... Go turn on the liberals lights for them every early morning though.

[Carry_Okie]

Inland, at 1,200 feet in a mountainous triangle of valleys between Monterey Bay, San Francisco Bay, and the Pacific Ocean. Onshore flows from both bays often deadhead here due to the interference of the hills. We have both coastal and inland climates depending upon the depth of the inversion layer. That is directly related to pressure. On some days the temperature on my property can vary by 10° simply by walking down the hill 100.' That, plus the soils, groundwater forcing, and shade is the reason why this place has such incredible native biodiversity. We have both redwood forest and five kinds of oaks. We even have Ponderosa pine about seven miles from here, not found anywhere else on the Coast.

[snopercod]

No, frequency. Picture those big rotating generators straining like mules to pull all those electrons out to your house. They normally do it 60 times per second, but when they get bogged down to 59.2, they will have to be shot.

Keep in mind that the entire grid is rotating in synch.

Say, I just e-mailed the Cal-ISO and asked them why no stage III or II. Why doesn't someone contact one of these jokers or jokerettes?

Cal ISO Communications Department
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Stephanie McCorkle
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Lorie O'Donley
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Gregg Fishman
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Kristina Werst
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[Benrand]

How long does it take to turn around one of those big generators? THere can't be enpough reserve capacity, well, obviously, to allow for the cycling of good unit sfor bad.

Oh man.

[Carry_Okie]

Picture those big rotating generators straining like mules to pull all those electrons out to your house. They normally do it 60 times per second, but when they get bogged down to 59.2, they will have to be shot.

I understood that. I was talking about the inductance in the armature windings being the reason for the criticality.

Can you see when one of the generators has a hiccough or starts to lug in a scope trace or is the back EMF enough to keep them all in synch until one overheats?

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

We Zonies need to set the thermostats for 70 degrees here. The APS nuclear plant would have to work harder sending megawatts to Phoenix (115 degrees tomorrow, maybe higher), and leave fewer to bail out Davis. I know what I'm doing when I leave for work tomorrow, heh heh.

[stands2reason]

81º, huh? Oooooh. How absolutely horrifying. My thermostat here at home is set on 79º, I got an oscillating fan set on low--- what unbelievable whiners!

[Benrand]

Good question. But wouldn't the propagation in the local area be enough to carry the failing generator? Or wouldn't it matter if there were widespread demand overr-runs.

I would say that if one goes, they all go, or more than the single flameout.

[Grampa Dave]

Most of the rats and a large part of the moderates and even a few who call themselves conservatives still believe that there was never any real electricituy shortage. It was just a gimmic by big energy/evil big oil/evil cheney and evil GW working with PG&E to screw the Kali electricity users.

The ones saving on electricity are the Druid Envirals. Maybe 10% of them will pass out and melt into a scummy/waxy greenish puddle during this heat wave.

RE hitting the 99% capacity is part due to the heat, even in Napa/Sonoma and the bay counties. We had 111 degrees on our back deck just an hour ago. It is still 107 back there at 5:43 pm with no sign of letting up.

Businesses going out of business, cutting back on hours and people leaving Kali kept the lights on as they didn't use power or used less.

The final reality inspite of all the pictures of Davis with his shovel, we have not really added enough new power stations to replace the old ones going off line for meeting pollution maxs, repair/maintenance or being closed.

No company will build a new power plant in this Third World Fascist State. If you make a profit in power, the Fascist Attorney General might put you in jail for making a profit.

The other thing that kept the lights on is the coolness in most of Oregon at this time. Usually when we have that heat pump high over Nevada, Idaho and Utah, it gets very hot in Oregon. They had a wet year and a surplus in water for hydro electric power. So we are getting a lot on electricity from the NW. That will peter out in August.

[Dan Day]

What's that sharp upward change between 8 and 9pm? Everyone turning on their lights as the sun goes down?

[ElkGroveDan]

What's that sharp upward change between 8 and 9pm? Everyone turning on their lights as the sun goes down?

'zackly! It's called the sundown spike.

[Grampa Dave]

Where you live it was 114?

What happened to the cool Pacific Air?

Did you cause this global warming by thining out your useless trees and brush?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Not sure if I am reading the info at OASIS correctly but i think they are saying the current price is $56 per Mwh/

That is at the bottom of this screen.

[socal_parrot]

Either that or the "Hot Tub spike".

[Grampa Dave]

If you Zonies and the Oregonians really suck up the power tomorrow, we may have a shortage.

Drop that AC thermostat to about 68 before you go to work.

I'll contact the Oregonian Freepers to turn down the temps on their freezers, fridges, turn all lights on and buy electric chain saws to thing out the woods/brush around their homes.