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To: mlmr; Clint N. Suhks; lentulusgracchus; scripter; ArGee; John O; L.N. Smithee; Kevin Curry; ...
"I find this fascinating. In psychiatric inpatient facilities that I known, today the adult unit homosexual and lesbian populations range from 15 to 30 percent. Consistantly. It is interesting to see how the hetrosexuals professionals and staff all glance at each other as we admit yet another homosexual/lesbian. Of course no study could ever be permitted that would explore why this tiny subgroup of 2%or less is using up to 30% of the services. It is the great unspoken of psychiatry today. We are gagged."


It's no surprise. It's still a disorder even though the homosexual caucus of the APA changed the DSM. Simply changing the text doesn't change reality, as your experience shows.

Here's some interesting documentation:

To: Clint N. Suhks

Actually, I wonder if a majority of the American Psychological Association don't agree with you. You're aware, I'm sure (I can send you a link or an article), of how the gay movement rolled the APA in the early 70's and got homosexuality deleted from the APA's diagnotic manual as Step One of their bustin'-out move to get out of the shadows and into the Clinton White House.

Looking at survey data from the APA membership, it would appear that a majority of the older members still believe that the origins of homosexuality are psychological as well as genetic.

The younger members have been propagandized assiduously for over 30 years by homosexual APA members who have taken care to dominate the appropriate committees and control its message on homosexuality, both to the practice and to the public. But the older members still aren't buying it. That refusal to change professional opinions despite all the propaganda and eyewash that's been thrown out there is damning, AFAIC, of the APA/gay message.

80 posted on 07/22/2002 5:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus


To: lentulusgracchus

homosexual APA members who have taken care to dominate the appropriate committees and control its message on homosexuality

Ah yes, the self-serving division 44 where the inmates are running the asylum. I did an impromptu check on their members, out of 15 investigations, 10 were openly homosexual. Division 44 is in charge of making APA policy on homosexuality, there’s a conflict of interest when the committee is disproportionately homosexual.

84 posted on 07/22/2002 6:58 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks


To: Clint N. Suhks

Thanks for the data, and I suspected some high proportion of gays on the 44 Committee (I believe I've noticed a reference to that group on their site).

David Ehrenstein, a gay fascist propagandist and Hollywood film critic (and self-appointed persecutor of magazine editor Andrew Sullivan), has written a book on the overthrow of the APA. He of course took another point of view, but in between his agitprop-terrorist fulminations on Salon's "TableTalk", his pride of authorship led him to divulge the method by which the APA was turned.

It seems that the principal investigators of homosexuality were, some of them, themselves gay. Gay-rights spear-carriers went to these people and offered to "out" them if they failed to see the light and support the new position rallying around the famous study that laid down the new rationale you outlined for "discovering" that homosexuality was not a paraphilia and not a disorder, if other mental-health criteria were satisfied.

So in short, major support was gathered for the DSM-3 rewrite via plain old blackmail.

Ehrenstein was eloquent in his disgust for gay psychiatrists who were engaged in psychotherapy work on other gays to attempt to reorient them. He said that he felt that it was a) hypocritical of them and b) deeply cynical of them to accept pay and emoluments for doing what the straight community wanted done "to" other gays.

Ehrenstein is a gay essentialist who believes it is the duty of the gay psychiatrist or psychologist to assist the embryonic gay in his development and self-realization. Ehrenstein didn't share his opinion of the practice described by the street phrase, "skinning some chicken".

96 posted on 07/24/2002 7:20 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus


From The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH):

New Study Confirms Higher Level of Psychiatric Disorders Among Men and Women Engaging in Same-Sex Behavior

"Two recent studies published in the Archives of General Psychiatry found higher rates of psychiatric disorders among homosexually oriented men and women than among the heterosexual population (Herrell 1999 & Fergusson 1999). Those articles mentioned that a third study, not yet published, had confirmed their findings."


New Zealand Study Suggests Higher Rates Of Self-Harm And Suicidal Behavior For Same-Sex Attracted Individuals

"A study appearing in the March 2003 issue of The American Journal of Psychology found higher rates of non-fatal suicidal behavior among those with homosexual attractions than among the heterosexual population."


Gay Magazine Warns Editor of Psychology Today, "Remember What Happened to Dr. Laura"

"November 29, 2002-- When A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality was published last month, the book's publisher, InterVarsity Press, placed an advertisement for the book in the popular magazine Psychology Today.

Shortly after the ad appeared, a lesbian activist and psychotherapist named Betty Berzon contacted Psychology Today's editor Robert Epstein to express her outrage.

Berzon was incensed that the magazine would accept an advertisement for A Parent's Guide, a book which views homosexuality as a developmental condition rather than a core identity. Berzon claimed that Epstein's magazine should have refused to print the ad. She threatened to organize a boycott against the magazine, and then followed up by sending out a flurry of postings on gay and lesbian internet sites in order to gain support for an organized boycott...

A story about the conflict was published in the December 10th issue of the gay magazine The Advocate, by columnist Michelangelo Signorile.

"When the editor in chief of Psychology Today reveals his support for so-called conversion therapies to turn gays straight, what does that say about the state of American psychology?" asked Signorile..."


What Homosexuals Say About Homosexuals - Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

""Let´s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90´s (1989).

In Chapter Six, they outline “ten categories of misbehavior,” drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays.

•  They say gays suffer from a “narcissistic” personality disorder and they give this clinical description: “pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.”



Choice4Truth

158 posted on 08/12/2003 11:20:28 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: EdReform
Fair quote, thanks for the courtesy of a ping.

You've done a lot of good work on this subject, and I begin now to see the outlines of a coherent, forceful response to the reflexive pro-gay advocacy in the media.

159 posted on 08/12/2003 3:21:40 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Usquequo, Domine?)
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To: EdReform
[You, quoting me above] Looking at survey data from the APA membership, it would appear that a majority of the older members still believe that the origins of homosexuality are psychological as well as genetic.

These data used to be posted on the site of the American Psychiatric Association or possibly the American Psychological Association (there are three organizations called "APA", the third being the American Psychotherapy Association). They have since been taken down and I deleted my link when it no longer worked. I searched for the data in the posting group's site archive but couldn't find it again.

160 posted on 08/12/2003 3:30:11 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Usquequo, Domine?)
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To: EdReform; lentulusgracchus; mlmr
new rationale you outlined for "discovering" that homosexuality was not a paraphilia and not a disorder, if other mental-health criteria were satisfied.

I freep-mailed this new position paper to lentulusgracchus on why homosexuality still is a paraphilic disorder. You should have it too, copy to your hard drive, negative research on homosexuality tends to disappear off line, Nadar Kalantar’s research paper Is There a Gay Gene is now off line other than the JPEG’s.

Paraphilia and Distress in DSM-IV

162 posted on 08/12/2003 3:47:47 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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Indexing ping...
203 posted on 08/14/2003 11:53:20 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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Homosexual Agenda Index of Links
207 posted on 08/15/2003 9:53:31 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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