Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Sodomy: A Public Health Risk
FPN ^

Posted on 07/28/2002 1:17:17 PM PDT by scripter

MEN:

- A 1997 study in British Columbia found the life expectancy of men who engage in sodomy to be comparable to that of the average Canadian man in 1871.  Researchers estimate that nearly half of the 20 year old men currently engaging in sodomy will not reach their 65th birthday.1

- Ninety-five percent or more of the AIDS infections among gay men result from receptive anal intercourse.2

- The risk of anal cancer "soars" by nearly 4,000% for men who have sex with men. The rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive.  A Michigan homosexual newspaper admits there is no such thing as "safe sex" to prevent this "soaring" cancer risk. Condoms offer only limited protection.3

- Homosexual men face a significantly higher risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices.4  

- Men who engage in sodomy are 860% more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease (STD), increasing up to 500% their risk of contracting HIV/AIDS. Men who commit acts of sodomy with men have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid, extensive transmission of STDs.  Control of STDs is a central component of HIV infection prevention in the United States; resurgence of bacterial STDs threatens national HIV infection prevention efforts.5 

- Anal Human Papillomavirus (HPV) infection is nearly universal among HIV-positive homosexual or bisexual men and about 60% in HIV-negative men exhibiting the same sexual behavior.6

WOMEN:

- Many innocent victims suffer the health consequences associated with sodomy as a result of blood transfusions, rape and having normal sexual relations with those who have committed unnatural relations with others.  While men of all ages who commit sodomy with other men remain at an alarming risk, young bisexual men are said to be a significant "bridge" for HIV transmission to women.7  

- Women who commit sex acts with other women face a significantly higher risk of bacterial vaginosis, breast cancer and ovarian cancer than heterosexual women.8

- The spread of Human Papilomavirus (HPV) is not prevented by condoms.  The persons most susceptible to cancer associated with HPV are young women (under 20) and people who practice anal intercourse.9

- Women who engage in receptive anal sex are at a higher risk for contracting anal cancer.  In fact, in the U.S. general population, anal cancer is more prevalent among women than men — between 1.5 and 2 times more common, perhaps because more women than men engage in receptive anal sex.10

- The following chart provides a broad synopsis of medical problems related to sodomy:11

Sex Practice: Potential Consequences:
1. Close Body Contact 1. Pubic lice
2. Scabies (mites)
3. Fungal Infections
2. Performer of Oral Sex 1. Oral gonorrhea
2. Oral lesions from herpes, HPV (warts), chancroid, lymhogranuloma venereum, or granuloma inguinale.
3. Nongonolococcal pharyngitis from chlamydia, other STD's
4. Syphilis
5. Hepatitis B
6. Enteric (intestinal) infections
3. Receptive Anal Intercourse 1. Traumatic proctitis
2. Rectal gonorrhea
3. Anal warts
4. HIV/AIDS
5. Nonspecific procitis (from chlamydia and other STDs)
6. Anorectal herpes
7. Anorectal syphilis
8. Hepatitis B
9. Rectal trichomoniasis
10. Lymphogranuloma venereum
11. Anorectal granuloma inguinale
12. Anorectal chancroid
13. Cytomegalovirus
14. Anorectal candidiasis
4. Receptive Manual-Anal Intercourse  1. Enteric (intestinal) infections
5. Receiver of Oral Sex   1. Physical abrasions
2. Bites
3. Herpes
4. Urethritis from various STDs
6. Insertive Anal Intercourse   1. Nongonococcal urethritis
2. Genital herpes
3. Molluscum contagiosum
4. Genital warts
5. Syphilis
6. Trichomoniasins
7. Epididymitis and/or proctitis
8. Fungal infections
9. Lymphogranuloma vencreum
10. Granuloma inguinale
11. Chancroid
12. Hepatitis B
13. HIV/AIDS 
7. Oral-anal Intercourse 1. Enteric (intestinal) infections
2. Shigellosis
3. Campylobacter fetus (bacteria)
4. Enterogenic E. coli bacteria
5. Hepatitis (A, B, and others)
6. Amebiasis
7. Giardiasis
8. Salmonellosis
9. Enterobius vermicularis (parasite)
10. Oral warts
11. Oral gonorrhea
12. Syphilis
13. Lymphogranuloma venereum
14. Oral granuloma inguinale
15. Oral chancroid
16. HIV/AIDS
17. Herpes
18. Anorectal meningococcal infection

1. International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol 26, 657-661, "Modelling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men."
2. Michael Fumento, "AIDS: Are heterosexuals at Risk?" Commentary 84, (November, 1987) pp. 22-23.
3. Between the Lines, "Anal Cancer and You," Sept. 29, 2000.
4. Medical Institute of Sexual Health, "Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality," 1999.
5. Centers for Disease Control, "Resurgent Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease Among Men Who Have Sex With Men," September 10, 1999.
6. Infectious Disease News, "Because of HPV, anal cancer screening indicated for certain high-risk groups," October, 1997
7. Manila Bulletin (Philippines), "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women With HIV," July 30, 2000 
8. Medical Institute of Sexual Health, "Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality," 1999.
9. WebMD Forum: "HPV and Cervical Cancer with John R. Diggs, Jr., M.D.," April 7, 2000.
10. Infectious Disease News, "Because of HPV, anal cancer screening indicated for certain high-risk groups," October, 1997
11. DG & Altman Ostrow, "Homosexual Behavior and Sexually Transmitted Diseases." New York: McGraw Hill, 1990. pp. 61-69.

 
 


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aids; gay; health; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; prisoners; publichealth; sodomy
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200201-217 next last
Comment #101 Removed by Moderator

Comment #102 Removed by Moderator

To: winnipeg; Clint N. Suhks
"I don't believe people can change their sexual orientation because that's where all the evidence points."

Please post the sources that document this evidence. Thank you.

103 posted on 07/29/2002 12:00:19 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
I'm objective, you're not.

So you don’t know what you’re talking about eh? Show me the study and cite that objectively proves it’s not a disorder? There are hundreds of studies that objectively prove homosexuality is a disorder, all you have is the debunked Hooker study and a 58% vote in 1974. What about the other 42%? Not ALL psychiatrists and psychologists in the APA’s believe homosexuality is not an illness, you need to do some research Mr. Objective.

Of course, I know you probably believe that both APA organizations and most of the worlds other respected psychological and psychiatric organizations have been overrun with gays

Not only does the American Psychiatric Association admit this, it’s common knowledge. Check out Division 44, most of the homosexual psychologists admit it on their bios. Both self-serving organizations had homosexuals in charge of policy in 74’ and both do now. Too bad you’re not interested in the truth because it’s easily found information.

BTW, if you have freedom of speech in your God for saken country why do you have a “hate speech” code? It restricts everything from Bible passages on billboards to Dr. Laura on the radio. I guess it all depends on what your definition of freedom of speech is!

104 posted on 07/29/2002 12:15:06 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg; Clint N. Suhks; scripter; lentulusgracchus; yendu bwam; L.N. Smithee; Kevin Curry; ...
"Say what you want about gays and their practices..."

How about instead, we consider what homosexuals say about homosexuals and their practices:

Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

""Let´s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90´s (1989).

In Chapter Six, they outline “ten categories of misbehavior,” drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the gay lifestyle, not gay sexuality mind you, “is the pits.” They want gays to improve their image by addressing “what is wrong with a lot of gays.” (276)

What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is another human community, including the Mafia that could make these generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven´t caught this disease, or at least the sniffles.

•  The authors say “a surprisingly high percentage” of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one´s own gayness and its implications.

•  They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments. Gay morality boils down to “If it feels good, I´ll do it!” If a gay feels like seducing a trusted friend´s lover, he´ll do it, justifying it as an act of “sexual freedom” and the friend be damned.

•  They say gays suffer from a “narcissistic” personality disorder and they give this clinical description: “pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.”

•  As an example of this narcissism, the authors say “a very sizable proportion of gay men” who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have unprotected sex.

•  They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such “forbidden” aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.

•  They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.

•  Many gays are “single minded sexual predators” fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are “the real queerbashers.” Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.

•  “Relationships between gay men don´t usually last very long.” They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The “cheating ratio of ‘married´ gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%.”

•  Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain. Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a lover.

•  The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.


105 posted on 07/29/2002 12:18:26 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: EdReform
Please post the sources that document this evidence. Thank you.

Ed he can’t. The only studies that reported negative results from reparative therapy were volunteer studies, these studies could have been easily manipulated like the Bailey/Pillard studies. There’s not been a double blind, random sample study to date.

106 posted on 07/29/2002 12:21:10 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 103 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks
I know, but it's always interesting to watch the rump rangers post the links to all the queer web sites and then try to justify the information as being unbiased.
107 posted on 07/29/2002 12:27:24 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 106 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
Wonder why they choose to be gay then, hmmm? THEY DON'T!

Of course they do, it’s a behavior and they have control over their own actions. Pedophiles, bestials and incestuals choose their behavior…hmmm!

108 posted on 07/29/2002 12:28:58 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
"The truth is out there..."

The A.P.A. Normalization of Homosexuality, and the Research Study of Irving Bieber

"Dr. Bieber was one of the key participants in the historical debate which culminated in the 1973 decision to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric manual.

His paper describes psychiatry's attempt to adopt a new "adaptational" perspective of normality. During this time, the profession was beginning to sever itself from established clinical theory--particularly psychoanalytic theories of unconscious motivation--claiming that if we do not readily see "distress, disability and disadvantage" in a particular psychological condition, then the condition is not disordered.

On first consideration, such a theory sounds plausible. However we see its startling consequences when we apply it to a condition such as pedophilia. Is the happy and otherwise well-functioning pedophile "normal"? As Dr. Bieber argues in this article, psychopathology can be ego-syntonic and not cause distress; and social effectiveness-‹that is, the ability to maintain positive social relations and perform work effectively--"may coexist with psychopathology, in some cases even of a psychotic order."...

Dr. Bieber describes the deletion of homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's diagnostic and statistical manual as "the climax of a sociopolitical struggle involving what were deemed to be the rights of homosexuals."

Gay activist groups believed that prejudice against homosexuals could be extinguished only if, as homosexuals, they were accepted as normal. "They claimed that homosexuality is a preference, an orientation, a propensity; that it is neither a defect, a disturbance, a sickness, nor a malfunction of any sort." To promote this aim, Dr. Bieber reports, "Gay activists impugned the motives and ridiculed the work of those psychiatrists who asserted that homosexuality is other than normal."

A task force was set up to study homosexuality, but the members chosen included not a single psychiatrist who held the view that homosexuality was not a normal adaptation. There followed riots at scientific meetings by gay activists who increased the pressure on the Psychiatric Association.

Will preventive therapy for homosexuality be prohibited, Dr. Bieber wondered, when homosexuality is normalized?

Furthermmore-‹is it the proper domain of psychiatry to remove diagnoses to eliminate prejudice?

Dr. Bieber pointed out that there were several other conditions in the DSM-II that did not fulfill the "distress and social disability" criteria: voyeurism, fetishism, sexual sadism, and masochism. A.P.A.'s Dr. Spitzer replied that these conditions should perhaps also be removed from the DSM-II -- and that if the sadists and fetishists were to organize as did the gay activists, they, too, might find their conditions normalized.

Summary

The factors that determined the decision of the APA to delete homosexuality from DSM-II were summarized as follows:

  1. Gay activists had a profound influence on psychiatric thinking.
  2. A sincere belief was held by liberal-minded and compassionate psychiatrists that listing homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder supported and reinforced prejudice against homosexuals. Removal of the term from the diagnostic manual was viewed as a humane, progressive act.
  3. There was an acceptance of new criteria to define psychiatric conditions. Only those disorders that caused a patient to suffer or that resulted in adjustment problems were thought to be appropriate for inclusion in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.

109 posted on 07/29/2002 12:33:34 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: EdReform
Only those disorders that caused a patient to suffer or that resulted in adjustment problems were thought to be appropriate for inclusion in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.

Hehehe…from the APA’s own website it says if you have good psychosocial functioning, positive well-being and no adverse anxiety you’re OK! The social functioning pedophiles, bestials and incestuals feel left out, what about their pass in the DSM?

110 posted on 07/29/2002 12:42:56 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 109 | View Replies]

To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
If that list doesn't illustrate self hatred I don't know what it does. It doesn't even include those shoving sticks of dynamite and blasting caps up there.
111 posted on 07/29/2002 12:47:39 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks
The "social functioning pedophiles" are organizing and gaining support to get their pass in the DSM, as documented here.
112 posted on 07/29/2002 12:51:33 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 110 | View Replies]

To: justshutupandtakeit; Hillary's Lovely Legs
Students Learn Sex Toy Safety (No Joking)

"Sex can be dangerous, especially when it involves toys. Wearing a three-foot, five-pound “double dong” around his neck, Todd Wonders, a representative from Dvdadultempire.com, advised students to start small when it comes to anal penetration.

“If you’ve never put anything in your ass before, you don’t want to start with this,” Wonders said, gesturing to the two gigantic members hanging from his shoulders.

Wonders talked extensively about anal penetration. According to him, the most appropriate object for beginners to place in their anus is a finger — preferably their own.

“If you’re really inexperienced with anything anal, start small,” Wonders said. “Also, you can never use enough lube, especially when it comes to putting things in your ass.”

Wonders and Calloway passed around other sex toys including anal beads and “the cock ring.” The two stressed the most important thing to look for when shopping for anal beads — which are inserted, then pulled from the anus — is a retrieval ring.

“You don’t want to shove something in your ass that doesn’t have a retrieval ring,” Wonders said. “Otherwise, your ass will swallow it.”...


113 posted on 07/29/2002 1:04:39 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies]

Comment #114 Removed by Moderator

To: winnipeg
I don't believe people can change their sexual orientation because that's where all the evidence points.

Hey Winnipeg, that's not really true. The New York Times published a couple of articles a few months ago about a study performed by the very psychologist who had years ago led the charge to remove the APA's classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder. The study found that large numbers of homosexuals could indeed permanently and totally change their orientation. The man, formerly a hero to gays, was castigated immediately by them - but he stood by his study. He did note that those who changed had been highly motivated to do so - but he also noted that those who had (some 70-80% of study participants) had not had any issues with same sex attraction for a full year after the study was performed. Further, many, many studies performed by respected psychologists have shown that homosexuality (in men) is highly correlated with lack of love from the father or older brother in childhood, (homo)sexual molestation as a child, and/or rejection by male peers as a child. In the same way, homosexuality, it is believed by many, can be effectively prevented by making sure that none of the three above things happens in the life of a child. I have known many gays in my life, and they all have experienced one of these three conditions in childhood. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the correlations are very strong. So while a gay may not have chosen to be that way, the condition is most likely caused in general by seriously negative things in the person's life. For those who are happy with it, so be it. But for our society to go around and teach our kids that things like anal intercourse between men is normal, or that they should experiment with homosexuality (just when their own sexualities are developing) is craziness and akin to child abuse. Further, the constant attempts of gays to get close to our children is dangerous - as in the Boy Scouts, the schools, and in the Catholic Church (where thousdands of boys have now been shown to have been sexually molested and raped by homosexual men). What we should do is say: 1) you have a serious (abnormal) condition. There is treatment for it if you want; 2) If you don't, live your life as you want, but don't push that abnormality on others; 3) keep away from our kids. You don't have the right to interfere with their upbringing.

115 posted on 07/29/2002 1:15:29 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

Comment #116 Removed by Moderator

To: winnipeg
And another thing, all the experts agree that being gay is not a mental illness.

Yes, all the ideological pro-gay experts say so; therefore it must be true. C'mon. The average person in this world understands very well that a man who wants to hump another man's rear-end (a filthy and disgusting act) has a serious mental problem. If you met a child at school who liked to poke his fingers up the rear ends of other kids, you'd immediately say that that that kid had a severe problem. It's exactly the same for homosexuals. The rectum is filthily dirty with germs and obviously NOT made for the use to which homosexuals put it. Homosexuals do suffer from a severe mental disorder. It's the 'intellectual' elites who have convinced themselves (in the name of political correctness) that such is not true - very few in this world, when being candid, buy that for a moment (actually, in my experience, including most psychologists).

117 posted on 07/29/2002 1:23:47 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

Comment #118 Removed by Moderator

To: winnipeg
I suppose you think they're lying to us all? They also say there's no scientific evidence that conversion theropy works. On the contrary, it often does a great deal of harm.

They ARE lying, for the sake of appeasing homosexual activists. - There is plenty of evidence that motivated homosexuals can (and do) change their orientation. - - It is true that some of the older methods to try and help homosexuals to do so were harmful. Methods used today - things like trying to get the homosexual to forgive things a father has done, or to get over the marginalization felt by other boys as a kid, are beneficial, even when they don't work.

119 posted on 07/29/2002 1:26:17 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
"On the contrary, it often does a great deal of harm."

Is that your personal opinion, or do you have documentation to back up your statement?

The cure for homosexuality: solution that brought him out of 'gay' life

120 posted on 07/29/2002 1:27:43 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
Homosexuality is not the same thing as pedophilia. And adult that messes with a kid is a pedophile, plain and simple.

Never claimed it was. If you're talking about the Catholic Church thing, 95% of the molestation cases were NOT pedophilia (relations with a pre-pubescent kid). They were molestations by homosexual priests against teenage (and sexually mature) boys. Many, many homosexual men are attracted sexually to teenage boys. 90% of the teenage prostitution in New York City involves teenage boys selling themselves to homosexual men. Homosexual publications and websites are full of stories and pictures involving teenage boys. The same are full of solicitations for sex with teenage boys. In general, teenage boys are unsafe around homosexual men. My sons are a thousand times safer in the Boy Scouts than with priests in the Catholic Church.

121 posted on 07/29/2002 1:29:41 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

Comment #122 Removed by Moderator

To: Litany
--zucchinis, doorknobs, lightbulbs, soda bottles, etc. etc. etc. whatever you could possibly imagine...has very likely been done.

A friend of mine who is an ER nurse says the latest fad is cell phones, with the ringer set to vibrate ... can you hear me now?

123 posted on 07/29/2002 1:31:40 PM PDT by TheRightGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
You irresponsibly place the blame for child molestation on the doorstep of homosexuals.

I don't. I have not talked about pedophilia (involving pre-pubescent kids) at all. But again, in the Catholic Church scandal, a MINORITY of priests (homosexuals) brought about 95% of the molestation cases against teenage boys. Clearly, there is a vastly higher likelihood of a teenage boy being molested by a homosexual man than of a teenage girl being molested by a heterosexual man. The numbers speak for themselves.

124 posted on 07/29/2002 1:32:06 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
Is it also filthy and disgusting (and therefore a mental illness) to be attracted to someone and have a love relationship with them?

It's filthy and disgusting when (as is the case with the majority of homosexual men - as shown by CDC statistics), love turns into humping another man's rectum. The vast majority of people know a serious psychological problem when they see it.

125 posted on 07/29/2002 1:34:43 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies]

To: TheRightGuy
What next??!!! Too bad all this ingenuity and creativity is not being used to better mankind and society.
126 posted on 07/29/2002 1:35:42 PM PDT by Litany
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
What about a kid (boy) who ran around poking his finger up girls vaginas, wouldn't you think he's got some serious mental problems too?

Center for Disease Control statistics show that the majority of homosexual men engage in anal intercourse, the vast majority of homosexual men have promiscuous sex with anonymous partners, about 1/3 of homosexual men engage in sexual practices in which feces and urine are ingested (swallowed), about 1/3 engage in sado-masochistic practices, etc. etc. I have compassion for men who are compelled to do such things. But it is clearly a mental disorder. The vast, vast majority of people understand that - and they don't buy the 'homosexuality is normal' bit. It isn't.

127 posted on 07/29/2002 1:37:46 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
I hate being lied to just to suit the purposes of a special interest group.

There are plenty of liers on both sides of this. I personally believe there are a lot more on the homosexual side. I'm sure you'll disagree!

128 posted on 07/29/2002 1:39:43 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
Winnipeg, I thought you would find this interesting (from another post today). Please read with an open mind. - -

Therapists who treat men and women struggling with same-sex attractions say that there are several consistent factors that contribute to the emergence of homosexuality: gender confusion in childhood, a failure to internalize maleness, and sexual abuse by a same-sex predator. Dr. Gregory Dickson, whose doctoral thesis is on the relationship between a mother and son in the development of homosexuality, found that 49% of the homosexuals he surveyed said they had been molested, compared to less than 2% of heterosexuals. Other research confirms what therapists have known for decades: Homosexuals are made, not born. And they are frequently “made” by older men who molest them as youngsters. Counselor Dr. Robert Hicks, author of The Masculine Journey has some sobering thoughts on the real origins of homosexual attractions: “…In counseling gay men for twenty years, I have not had one yet whom I would say had a normative childhood or normative adolescent development in the sexual arena. More often than not I have found stories of abusive, alcoholic, or absent (physically and emotionally) fathers; stories of incest or first experiences of sex forced upon them by older brothers, neighborhood men, or even friends. I sometimes find these men have been early exposure to pornography….” It is worth repeating: Homosexuals are made, not born.

129 posted on 07/29/2002 1:49:58 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies]

Comment #130 Removed by Moderator

To: winnipeg
"Homosexuality is not the same thing as pedophilia."

Many times it is -- as documented here, and in the threads:

Meet 'Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA'

An UPDATE for "Womens Auxillary of NAMBLA"

131 posted on 07/29/2002 1:56:56 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
I'd say the vast majority of people don't think that and are tollerant of homosexuals because they are not hurting anyone any more than heteros are.

Hey - I'm tolerant of homosexuals - to the degree they leave me and my kids alone. BUT THEY DON'T. They scream that they should teach their gay ideology stuff to my kids in school, that they should be allowed to take my sons out on overnight campouts in the scouts (yeah, right!), and they have forced me and millions of other parents in the Catholic Chruch to keep their kids away from all priests. For those who don't do these things, I'm perfectly tolerant, and so is everyone else I know. That's different from understanding (as those same tolerant people do) that humping another man's rear end is a mental disorder. It is. You confuse tolerance with understanding the true nature of things. They are not at all the same.

132 posted on 07/29/2002 2:02:10 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 130 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
You irresponsibly place the blame for child molestation on the doorstep of homosexuals.

Hehehe…cite the study or shut up.


133 posted on 07/29/2002 2:43:53 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: yendu bwam
I think you should print this thread with all the posts,copy it and send it to your bishop,then send individual copies to the chancellor of the diocese,all the vicars,a couple of pastors,the receptionist in the bishops office and a few chancery officials,(like the head of the bishop's fund raiser,the chief of education and catechetics,and the diretors of liturgy and worship space).

Put a little yellow sticky on each copy informing them that you have sent copies to ten?,eleven?other diocesan officials for their elucidation. To strike a little more fear in them,you could add the heads of some parent/teacher associations as well as a couple of principals of catholic schools.If you just send those to pastors or assistant pastors,pta heads and prinipals randomly,it is very effective.The good ones appreciate it and the bad ones don't know who sent it,why it was sent and who else received it.It also puts some of them in a tizzy because to bring it up if people have not received it might give it extra publicity and not wanted and yet they are always trying to figure out what moves the enemy (us) are making.The more time they have to spend worrying the less time they have to plot and deconstruct.

134 posted on 07/29/2002 2:54:46 PM PDT by saradippity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 132 | View Replies]

To: winnipeg
If a gay person has no gay relations, does that mean they're not gay? Stop having sex and suddenly they're not gay anymore. HMMM!?

First of all, sex is not sodomy. But of course they aren’t, if they don’t act on their paraphilia where is the disorder? Do you know anything about paraphilia?

The APA makes a clear distinction between pedophilia and other sexual disorders and homosexuality.

Ohhh? What distinction is that? Both were paraphilias before 1974 and one isn’t now. The only distinction is that one can claim psychosocial stability and the other can’t, can you explain why? I’m going to guess you can’t so let me help you. Because the APA decided with no scientific evidence, to make homosexuality politically acceptable and end discrimination. But you’ll notice they made no effort to do so for cross dressers, bestials, incestuals, pedophiles, voyeurs, S&M…and on and on. They are hypocrites to protect one perversion over another because they are disproportionately, as an organization, homosexually staffed. Have you ever read the bio’s for the members of Division 44, 60+% of the ones I’ve read are openly homosexual? Both APA’s are self-serving organizations when it comes to staffing the divisions and committees that make policy.

They also say there's no scientific evidence that conversion theropy works.

Ummm…the evidence is objective, if they don’t practice perversion then it works, n’est pas?

135 posted on 07/29/2002 3:20:16 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: saradippity
I think you should print this thread with all the posts,copy it and send it to your bishop,then send individual copies to the chancellor of the diocese,all the vicars,a couple of pastors,the receptionist in the bishops office and a few chancery officials,(like the head of the bishop's fund raiser,the chief of education and catechetics,and the diretors of liturgy and worship space).

I like the way you think! I'll be considering your idea.

136 posted on 07/29/2002 4:15:28 PM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 134 | View Replies]

To: ArGee
That isn't necessarily very safe either, see the thread just above, containing the words "car slay of hubby." LOL.

Best personal regards.

137 posted on 07/29/2002 6:23:00 PM PDT by crystalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: ArGee
... Is it your custom to misread what is posted or do you have a particular agenda here? Shalom ...

Shalom back at ya, ArGee.

No, or if I do, its the same as yours ... you basically agree with what I said in your later responses.

Is it your custom to offer "canned ham" responses even where they don't fit ?

138 posted on 07/29/2002 8:40:57 PM PDT by Camber-G
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: JulieRNR21
ROLTF,LOL!!!
139 posted on 07/29/2002 9:10:15 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: Camber-G
I know what you mean ... according to the table of problems in the above article it sounds like you shouldn't do anything with your wife except stick it in, pull it out, take a shower and go sleep in separate beds ala Lucy and Dezi.

This is where I disagree with you. Husbands and wives can do a lot of things in a safe way as long as they are faithful to each other. They don't need to stick to coitus in the missionary position and they don't need to sleep in separate beds.

If I missed you being facetious (sp?) please forgive me.

Shalom.

140 posted on 07/30/2002 6:15:25 AM PDT by ArGee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 138 | View Replies]

To: EdReform
thanks for the ping, and the links. (....Whew, she says, shaking her head...)
141 posted on 07/30/2002 7:54:53 PM PDT by kstewskis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: kstewskis
You're welcome
142 posted on 07/31/2002 9:37:52 AM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 141 | View Replies]

To: yendu bwam
re: If you're talking about the Catholic Church thing, 95% of the molestation cases were NOT pedophilia (relations with a pre-pubescent kid). They were molestations by homosexual priests against teenage (and sexually mature) boys. Many, many homosexual men are attracted sexually to teenage boys. )))

The "natural" straight male is wired biologically to be attracted to very young women, and older girls. It makes perfect sense that a homosexual male would also pursue the youngest of men or older boys.

However, we needn't be "natural" if we choose not to be.

143 posted on 12/05/2002 8:01:49 AM PST by Mamzelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 121 | View Replies]

To: TheRightGuy
I wonder how many cell phones are busted and smell like ass?
144 posted on 02/13/2003 11:07:52 AM PST by ffusco (sempre ragione)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks
Actually The choice argument was used in the 80's and has been replaced. The choice argument was furthered by libertines but produced the counter argument that it was a controllable behavior and therefore modifyable. The new argument seeks to lump homosexuality into the same kind of normal deviation that includes idiot savants, geniuses, and albinos. Although this theory has yet to find a genetic marker, and no one can expalin the lisp as anything but learned behavior. Ingenious really, since gays will claim that God made them that way and therefore it would be Un-Christian to try to change them.
145 posted on 02/13/2003 11:25:38 AM PST by ffusco (sempre ragione)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 108 | View Replies]

To: scripter
Adding a new link:

"Steamed" Detroit a syphilis hotbed

146 posted on 07/22/2003 8:18:49 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Litany
--peritonitis secondary to a dead mouse in the intestine- was inserted anally

Wow, good thing I didn't eat any breakfast this morning.

147 posted on 07/22/2003 8:28:06 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Ozzy Osborne says that pot leads to harder drugs.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: traditionalist
Gee, what a surprise. Enganging in unnatural behavior makes you sick.

Natural behavior as well. Who'd a thunk it!

148 posted on 07/22/2003 8:31:22 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Protagoras
I don't get your point.
149 posted on 07/22/2003 6:48:24 PM PDT by traditionalist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 148 | View Replies]

To: traditionalist
I don't get your point.

If you can't figure it out, it ain't worth explaining.

150 posted on 07/22/2003 7:09:13 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 149 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200201-217 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson