California: State approves nation's greenest energy goals

The Orange County Register ^ | September 13, 2002 | DON THOMPSON

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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[Grampa Dave]

The watermelons continue their battle to darken Kalifornia and to turn it into a Turd World Country.

They know that there is no way for alternative energy. Sacramento is real trouble with their goals re solar energy.

Moonbeam, the first Watermelon Governor started this whole energy crisis with his Era of Limits. That was a Watermelon strategy to stop construction on new power plants and start condemning the old ones. Eventually the demand for electricity would outstrip the supply. That happened last year.

We should cut the power lines to every green office from Club Sierra to whatever the cause. Then every card carrying and donating watermelon should have the power cut off at his/her/it's home. Then make them provide their own power from renewable resources without a single tax dollar from us.

They want renewable power, then let them provide for their families and themselves.

Every Kali legislator who voted for this Watermelon Insanity should have the power at his office and home stopped. He/she/it can use solar lighting to work with.

Wasp, do you have the link to the recent thread where Sacramento is deep kemji by with their solar power hallucinations? If so please post the link for the dark reality of this insanity from the Watermelons!

[p. henry]

Thankfully, in 10 to 15 years I will be eligible for senior discounts on my SDG&E bills. With this kind of legislation being passed in Sacramento, I will be in need. As it is, my utility bill last month was over $350. And I live within sight of the ocean; in July I neither heat nor air condition the house. God save us all.

[Robert357]

state Sen. Byron Sher. "We think this will be a national model."

Yes, it will be a national model...of what not to do!

[Grampa Dave]

We can't meet the power demands of today, and these hate America Watermelons want to insure that Kali has no power in 15 years. Go to this link for the latest power shortage hid by the maggots in the media who sleep and eat with Davis. (link to latest electricity shortfall hidden by Herr Davis's maggots in control of Kali's media)

Thanks to Robert 357 for this heads up.

[tubebender]

The Times-Standard is reporting today that a Pacific Lumber tree climber took down a tree sitter near Petrolia in the Matole Valley yesterday.

[Grampa Dave]

Good for the tree climber.

Every dirt firster and tree hugger should be removed from any welfare $'s, food stamps and MediCal.

Get them off of welfare in the area north of you and see the entire area start to change.

There are a few out and out communist lawyers/watermelons in the Garberville area who represent these scumbags in their suits. If payment to these watermelon scumbag lawyers could be stopped, there would be less Dirt First economic terrorism.

[Grampa Dave]

There is a very timely thread up now about the fallacy of so called renewable energy. (Most of the proposed renewable energy resources take more energy and resources to produce than they supply. This fact is at the heart of the false notion of renewables as a sustainable form of energy that can provide for society energy needs essentially freely and indefinitely. Renewable sources of energy are greatly misunderstood in public debate.)

[SierraWasp]

Ask and ye shall receive... click here!!!

By the way... it's "Turd Whirled Country!"

Flex Your Power!

Flush Davis!!!

[RonF]

Money that we spend on renewable energy sources is money not going to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, etc. What's bad about that? If we could replace enough oil-based energy sources with renewable sources, even if it cost more (which it might not if we put some money into further research in the matter), we could get to the point that we could depend solely on our own oil reserves and keep our money out of the pockets of tolitarian states that oppose us. It would also depress the price of oil and would take even more money out of their pockets.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Lets check the link at post #9.

[RonF]

First, I've got no problem with nuclear energy as long as we use current Best of Practice engineering technologies for it, and that we get Yucca Mountain on line so we have somewhere to put the waste. It's relatively clean, and if a chunk of New Mexico becomes unapproachable if some disaster happens, I can live with that.

Second, I'd like to see what the opposition says about the figures the source in post #9 gives in trying to show that costs are so great for renewable energy sources.

Third, while those costs may be high now, that's no reason to do as the Bush administration did and kill off funding for R&D on improving that situation. That's a false economy. Oil isn't going to last forever, and we should use our technical superiority to put us in front for when it starts to run out. Last month in Scientific American, there was an article on a new design for windmill generators that were cheaper by a factor of 10 over present designs, with the same or greater generating power.

[fogarty]

Friend, you've put in enough time in that Communist hellhole. Why not move to a better place, like Texas?

[mvpel]

Stashing "waste" in Yucca Mountain is like blackening the bark of a big fat log in a campfire and then throwing it away. We need to overturn Carter's spent-fuel reprocessing ban.

[SSN558]

Of all the factors that contribute to the incident sunlight on the earth or lack of, the most influential is lattitude or closeness to the equator. Facts: Californias air is warmed by the Pacific Ocean. Two of the large population centers are in a Basin and Central Valley which have air inversion layers at about 3500-4000 feet and trap the heat at ground level, providing a green house effect.

The air is warm in Sunny CA so it is the perfect place for solar energy collectors ? Not really. A look at the charts in the Uniform Building Code or an ASHRAE handbook will show that solar collectors are rather ineffective on an annual basis until you get south of Los Vegas.

Only tax credits or the force of law makes solar collectors a choice for CA. They can not even produce the thermal energy during the product cycle that went into manufacturing them. Think, thousands of square miles of glass, Copper, Silicon, etc. Widespread construction of solar energy collectors in CA is more harmful to the environment than other energy sources.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the great input.

First as you noted, due to the location and the weather patterns as you noted, "ASHRAE handbook will show that solar collectors are rather ineffective on an annual basis until you get south of Los Vegas.".

Also, as you point out the energy consumed to make these damn solar panels is never retrieved with solar panels in Kali. Then the key as you point out, the possible harm to the environment is greater when you make these panels than if the house just used normal electricity.

Last but not least is the problem of the storage batteries. The cost and enviro impact of making these batteries, then what do you do with them when they stop working.

I keep hearing of thousands of electric vehicles hidden in the vehicle storage yards of Kali Cities/counties all over Kali. The expensive batteries died in a short time. To replace them is really expensive, and then what do you do with the dead batteries.

One final word on the electric cars. Two years ago this coming Dec/Jan at the height of our electricity shortage with blackouts happening in our community, we had a friend who for the environment who was going to buy an electrical car. Finally my wife said, "You are an idiot! We are having rolling blackouts and you want to use more electricity to charge the damn batteries in a worthless electric car!"

They didn't speak for about 3 weeks. The husband called and was upset with what my wife said. I told him if they were arrogant enough to buy an electrical car during this time, their neighbors might burn them and the car at a stake some night during a blackout for being Druid Witches.

They bought the Toyota Hybrid, which so far seem like a not bad combo. They are a nice couple, they are just a typical Green brainwashed Kalis without any common sense. Later, he said that I really scared him with my comment. He could see his neighbors, all of whom drive SUVs, during a blackout doing exactly what I said.

[daviddennis]

Let him buy an electric car if he wants. Power for electric cars is consumed during non-peak times and therefore does not affect the energy crisis.

You might want to tell him about battery life, which has been a severe problem with electric cars. I don't know if you can even buy a pure electric anymore for that reason.

Ron, I'm all for R&D too. But mandating that we get 20% of our energy from renewables is a way of handing subsidies to our present power generators, who produce electricity at 1.5-2 times the going price. This is one thing that made California one of the most expensive electricity markets in the nation, even before the power crisis.

To our California governor friends, I will note that this is yet another classic Davis measure - pass a costly bill now, but defer its effects until he is long gone. The same thing was true of the SUV bill, the budget, the power crisis and many others. This is the thing that makes me feel Davis is a dangerous man, and if he gets a second term, he's only started.

D

[my3centseuro]

Flush twice. Its a long way to Sacramento!!!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

By the way... it's "Turd Whirled Country!"

Flex Your Power!

Flush Davis!!!
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