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California Governor's Race: No Place for Filing Premature Obituaries
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/22/02 | Paul Weyrich

Posted on 10/22/2002 10:54:52 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Coop
You know it's bad when you see... BOLDED ITALICS CAPITALIZED! It's obviously an important point.

GO Simon!!!!!

21 posted on 10/22/2002 2:20:10 PM PDT by Lx
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To: daviddennis
Is there any reason not to hold them until after the election? If Bill Simon loses, I will cheerfully accept your "I told you sos". If he wins, what will you do?

No sweat Simon will do what ever it takes to lose. That is what is called a safe bet.

It is important for those in California to understand how Gray Davis spent 9 million dollars to get Bill Simon the Nomination. Bill Simon was Gray Davis's dream of re-election come true. Do you realy think Gray Davis spent 9 million dollars to give Californians a choice between an honest, truthful, straight taking, principled conservative on one side and Gray Davis on the other????? SHHHUUURRREEEE YOU DOOOOOO!!!! Don't you? Nothing could please a crooked Democrat more.... could it?????

Davis's consultants assured him that 9 million dollars would see to it that Simon got the Republican nomination. They had to know that Simon would blow the race or they would not have spent the 9 million dollars to get him the nomination. HOW DID THEY KNOW? Read what follows.

Both Davis and Simon were aware that Simon's company was losing a civil law suit for fraud. Davis knew that the only way to save his re-election campaign was to paint his opponent to be as crooked and inept as Davis. Simon and Davis both had to know that would be an easy thing to do. People whose company has been convicted of fraud have to know the other side will present them as a crook. It does not take a genius to know the public will believe they are crooked. The silly public tends to think companies found guilty by a jury are guilty... They are silly that way. Simon's lawyers surely told him he was going to lose the fraud case and the media would be on it like stink on sh*t.

To make sure the media looked for shady business practices Simon at first refused to let him see his tax returns and other financial papers. Every major candidate in every major race has to reveal every financial detail. It is SOP. Why did Simon taunt the press into digging? He had to have a reason. NO ONE can keep his financials secret and run for state or national office. Simon invited attention to his financials.. Why????

Simon had invested 15.2 million dollars with a convicted felon in the pay phone business in 1998. That felon had sued Simon after the felon's company went through the 15.2 million with out a gulp. Simon lost everthing he invested. The felon sued Simon and won. WOW. Talk about being a good money manager. A felon cons Simon out of 15.2 million. Blows it. Sues Simon and wins a jury verdict. That is dumb with a capital D. Why would a reasonably intelligent business man go in business with a convicted felon and then lose 15.2 million dollars to him?

Every deal I have done over a quarter of a million had background checks on me and the people with whom I did business. There is no way Simon did not know he was doing business with a convicted felon. Yet he ran for governor knowing it would all come out. He said that he did not know the man was a felon. "I only gave him 15 million dollars... I never check someone out over small bucks like that." Does Simon really think anyone with experience would believe that?

Simon knew at the time he chose to run that he had been in business with a convicted drug felon. He ran anyway. He knew his company had a messy fraud case. He ran anyway. He knew it would be very likely overturned by a REPUBLICAN JUDGE. He ran anyway. How is that a way to get votes from ordinary working people? A Repubican judge turns over a jury verdict to save a Rich Republican millions... That'll appeal to the working class every time.

Simon had to know that this race depended on the Republican candidate being a very clean gene. Simon knew he was not!!! Why did he run???

Simon knew that he would likley be set up by homosexuals. They try it on every Republican in nearly every race. How could Simon not know? Why did he fall for it? WHY???? Yet he told them he was for homosexuals. He told the religious right something else. Then said he had not given his reply to the homosexuals his full attention. The homosexuals were ot seek Simon's support and if they got it to broadcast it to the world. It is not about supporting Homosexuals. It is about hurting Simon with the right. Why did Simon give the homosexuals his approval? Why? He had to know what they were doing and he had no chance for their votes. Why ????

Lyn Nafziger was hired to hopefully get Simon on to winning ways. Lyn is a sharp political consultant and great campaign manager. Reagan was always high on Nafziger. Simon fired him and Nofziger was mad as Hell when he left. Why???

Why would some one who wanted to win fire the man who set up and implemented the strategy that elected Ronald Reagan? Perhaps if you want to lose and make it look like you are trying to win? Could that be it?????

Davis likely got the COPS organization to feed Simon that fake story of Davis taking illegal money. Did they know that Simon would fall for it and go off with zero evidence. After the homosexual thing would it occur to Simon that he might be set up? NAH NOT A CHANCE!!!!. Is Simon just stupid or is that part of his losing plan???? Stupid or on purpose... those are the options... take your pick.

Simon was made the Republican party candidate by Gray Davis to elect Gray Davis. They spent 9 million dollars to do it.

I would have to be really out of it, to work for Davis's hand picked disaster for the Republican party because some people still believe in his kool aide. You have to believe the purple kool aid is really good to drink and contains vitamin C and arsenic won't really hurt you if you drink it fast.

Bush, the RNC, the California Repubican party, Lyn Nofziger are all anti-Simon. They all came to that conclusions AFTER LOOKING SIMON OVER CLOSELY. Bush was trapped into going to a fundraiser for Simon which is the only fund raiser ever, where bush failed to meet the goal. You don't think it was on purpose do you? Do you remember that Bush would not be seen with Simon in public... Simon was not invited to appear with Bush anywhere else in public. WHY???

The State Republian party in California has distanced themselves from Simon as far as possible? Why?

The only thing that could be worse for the Republican party in California than Gray Davis getting re-elected is Bill Simon getting elected.

Thank God that will not happen. I will not wait until after the election to tell you why. I will tell you now. And I just did.

22 posted on 10/22/2002 3:54:00 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: KeyBored
And the conservatives benefited, how?

I took the following from a Democrats post at a Democratic site. For the following reasons they think an elected RINO is better for Republicans than a defeated Conservative. I think in this case the Democrat is right and makes my case.

Sorry, but this line about Bloomberg really being a Democrat is just plain wrong. He's gone over to the dark side. He may still hold liberal positions on many issues, but he's become an "enabler" of Republicans -- including conservative Republicans like President Bush. And the money he used to give to Democrats is now going to Republicans. In my book, anyone who calls themselves a Republican, seeks a Republican nomination, campaigns as a Republican, and subsequently raises money for Republicans is . . . a Republican.

Now to the tator's positions.

My opposition to Simon is he is a man who goes into buisness with a convicted felon. I don't vote for people in bed with felons. His denials are no more believable than Clintons. I would not vote for a man who had been in business with convicted drug kingpin. And the excuse that Simon was ignorant of the facts is even worse. If he put a bank robber in as bank inspector would "I didn't know he was a felon" hack it with you? Betcha it would if he called himself a conservative.

Simon told the homosexuals he was for a Homosexual holliday. He told others he would not support the homosexual agenda. I don't support men who talk out of both sides of their mouth.

Simon accused Davis of a crime ehen he had zero evidence to prove it. Lying about an enemy is not permitted in my book. Lying politicians will be condemed by me. I don't care which party they belong to.

The worst way to achieve honesty in goverment is to elect a liar because he says he is conservative.

Simon has a history in this campaign of telling lies and when caught making excuses Bill Clinton could not tell with a straight face.

What is the Difference Between Bill Clinton and Bill Simon? People believe Bill Clinton's lies.


23 posted on 10/22/2002 4:14:47 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
CT, you need a rest. Seriously.
24 posted on 10/22/2002 5:19:45 PM PDT by eureka!
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To: Common Tator
Sorry, your chronology is wrong. Simon & Sons hired Deloitte & Touche to do due-diligence on Hindelang, who by the way had signed an affidavit attesting that he had no criminal past, as is SOP with venture capitalists. They came up clean. Eventually the truth came out and the sumbitch got fired, as was well his due. The judge awarded Simon & Sons a six-figure judgment in the exact amount that S&S had paid Deloitte & Touche... a poetic touch.

I knew about the Hindelang adventure as far back as 2000. Why, do you suppose, did he file his suit only after Simon had his candidacy? Why did he choose an attorney who also represents Howard Berman and Henry Waxman? This was a political hit-and-run and you know it. No one expected the jury would rule in Hindelang's favor, but that's justice, California-style, for you.

If I can fault Simon for one thing regarding the Hindelang experience, it's for failing to make himself the poster-child for tort reform from the git-go. No businessman, no business, no family and no person is safe from the predations of trial lawyers run amok.
25 posted on 10/22/2002 6:57:29 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Common Tator
You ask a good question: "The State Republian party in California has distanced themselves from Simon as far as possible? Why?"

Ronaldus Maximus brought the Eleventh Commandment down from the mountain for a reason: the California GOP is stuffed with divisive pricks running their own little hothouse fiefdoms, and has been for time immemorial. Reagan was able to herd the cats. Simon, I grant you, hasn't done this and probably lacks that particular skill. That's the difference between a venture financier and a veteran labor union leader.

So, 'Tator, who are you going to vote for, anyway? You have impressed me as either a Davis supporter or someone nursing personal-slash-business gripes against Simon & Sons. Let me guess: he sent your business plan back with a raspberry? He was too pig-headed to buy into your grand vision?

Face it: you are impressing no one with your unsupported assertions of "Simon knew he was bedding a felon! He knew! I just know he did!" The facts--and common sense--argue otherwise. You're the Cynthia McKinney of the Riordan/Jones Never-Ending Sour Grapes Chorale.
26 posted on 10/22/2002 7:06:34 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Coop
Tom Davis was way out of line with his comments.

The closing line in my eMail to Rep Davis was, "Your day in hell will begin when you become a minority member of congress because of your stupid statement to the Press Club".

27 posted on 10/22/2002 7:07:41 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Common Tator
"Lyn is a sharp political consultant and great campaign manager."

LOL. You serious? He has serious mouth problems, always has.
28 posted on 10/22/2002 7:08:36 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Coop
Tom Davis was way out of line with his comments.

I totally agree. I fired off a nasty e-mail to the RNC. I'm tired of these overpaid morons trashing their own candidates. Surprising coming from Davis from VA.

But never let it be said the GOP doesn't know how to snatch that defeat from old victory's jaws!

29 posted on 10/22/2002 7:13:02 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: daviddennis
So let me tell you something: I've been having one heck of a lot of fun. I've gone places I've never been to before, I've staked out a governor as he exits his lair, I've talked to a lot of wonderful people and made some great contacts for the future. And I have tons of great videotape that's produced some very entertaining productions that have given a lot of people a laugh or two to relieve the stress of their days.

You said it David! I've had more fun stuffing envelopes for mailouts for a mere few hours every so often. Let's go:

Marsha Blackburn - U.S. 7th District-TN

Lamar! U.S. Senator-TN

Van Hilleary Governor-TN (good riddance lying RINO Sundquist)

30 posted on 10/22/2002 7:20:54 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: Common Tator
It is important for those in California to understand how Gray Davis spent 9 million dollars to get Bill Simon the Nomination. Bill Simon was Gray Davis's dream of re-election come true.

Yawwwwwwwwwwwn!

This was said about Reagan when he ran for Governor. He was the "dream candidate" for Moon Brown's pappy.

The Democrats said it again about Reagan in 1980. They actually, get this lack of intelligence, thought George H.W. Bush was too tough to win against!

Then the same GHW Bush and the GOP said the same thing in 1992 about Clinton and Perot. They were scared to death of Bob Kerrey from Nebraska. Fortunately, Bush was right about wanting Dukakis in 1988!

31 posted on 10/22/2002 7:26:35 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Don't confuse the issue with the facts there! lol

Tater's rant is just that...DNC talking point rants that ramble on and on and on about "perceptions" over reality. Then when reality proves them wrong, it's always some "Republican" involved.

32 posted on 10/22/2002 7:34:19 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: daviddennis
So let me tell you something: I've been having one heck of a lot of fun. I've gone places I've never been to before, I've staked out a governor as he exits his lair, I've talked to a lot of wonderful people and made some great contacts for the future. And I have tons of great videotape that's produced some very entertaining productions that have given a lot of people a laugh or two to relieve the stress of their days.
You said it. I haven't had this much fun in a long time. I'm usually the laziest sack of s*** around, but I'm really fired up about this. When Bill Simon and Linda Lingle win their respective races, I will have personally met two governors, which amazes me.
33 posted on 10/22/2002 7:48:46 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: Tony in Hawaii
I'll say this for sure...Dems don't seem all that fired up over their guy.

Davis's only hope is to discourage Republicans so they stay home.

Get Out The Vote!!

34 posted on 10/22/2002 7:55:03 PM PDT by copycat
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To: NormsRevenge
bttt
35 posted on 10/22/2002 7:58:16 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: copycat
If I could ask that creep Salazar anything, it'd be "Do you like Gray Davis personally?"

I don't think even Davis' campaign people like him.
36 posted on 10/22/2002 7:58:41 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: Common Tator; RightOnTheLeftCoast; RonDog; Saundra Duffy; Gophack
So you believe Simon put $10 million of his own money into his campaign, with the express desire to lose to Davis?

I don't believe in tinfoil hat style conspiracy theories if something simple would explain the facts just as well. It's clear to me that Davis helped defeat Riordan because he felt Simon's positions on abortion and guns would doom him. Furthermore, I'm sure he suspected, quite reasonably, that Simon would make more gaffes than Riordan. Those two facts are more than adequate to explain what's happened so far.

As others have said better than I, your reconstruction of the Hindelang case is entirely false, so I won't bother getting into it here.

Simon did not lie about the COPS charge; he repeated it prematurely before his team had had time to check the facts. Is this showing a lack of integrity? No. Is this an unwise thing he did? Yes, but everyone's entitled to a mistake or two.

So that leaves the Log Cabin gaffe. I think I know how it happened: Bill Simon was never all that oriented towards social issues, being more concerned with the economic situation. He did not understand the nuances behind an innocuous looking document, so he signed it but had to recant when he understood its full meaning. In other words, he was tricked. It's neither the first nor the last time something like this has happened to a candidate.

So where's the problem here? It seems to me that you're making mountains out of molehills - and for what reason? To re-elect Gray Davis, arguably the worst governor in California history?

Tell me how that makes sense.

D
37 posted on 10/22/2002 9:06:25 PM PDT by daviddennis
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To: daviddennis
It's clear to me that Davis helped defeat Riordan because he felt Simon's positions on abortion and guns would doom him.

Interesting thing about Riordan. I can't imagine a scenario where his vision or vote is any different that Grays'. In fact, Gray-out is probably less of a gun grabber than Riordan. Not that he has any convictions, he's just pragmatic. Davis knew he was unpopular and since his and Riordan's positions are identical, the dems would vote for Riordan.

I still fail to see why there are all these nay sayers who keep telling us how screwed we are with Simon and how it's our fault. What exactly do they have to gain? The glee with which they trash Simon and hope for a Davis win makes me seriously doubt their conservative credentials. Some are even sounding like women scorned.

November 5th is where the rubber hits the road.

GO Simon!!!!

38 posted on 10/22/2002 10:13:45 PM PDT by Lx
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To: Lx
Well, my rubber has met quite a few roads already. :)

Screw the naysayers. I won't waste my time arguing with them.

39 posted on 10/22/2002 11:06:02 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: Tony in Hawaii
I think that falls into the "too much information" category! :-p
40 posted on 10/23/2002 5:11:46 AM PDT by Coop
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